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The Internet Sales Tax Rush
WSJ ^ | April 21, 2013

Posted on 04/22/2013 10:48:15 AM PDT by george76

Harry Reid and Wal-Mart hope nobody will notice their online revenue raid.

Every time Congress has taken a serious look at proposals to boost Internet sales taxes, it has rejected them. That's probably why pro-tax Senators are trying to rush through an online tax hike with as little consideration as possible.

As early as Monday, the Senate will vote on a bill that was introduced only last Tuesday. The text of this legislation, which would fundamentally change interstate commerce, only became available on the Library of Congress website over the weekend. And you thought ObamaCare was jammed through Nancy Pelosi's Democratic House in a hurry.

For Senators curious about what they're voting on, it is the same flawed proposal that Mike Enzi (R., Wyo.) introduced in February. It has been repackaged to qualify for a Senate rule that allows Majority Leader Harry Reid to bypass committee debate and bring it straight to the floor.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Government; News/Current Events; US: District of Columbia; US: Nevada; US: New York; US: Wyoming
KEYWORDS: 0pansification; banglist; cokeheadinchief; internet; internettaxes; maybealittlegungrab; onlinetaxes; salestaxes; taxes; transparency

1 posted on 04/22/2013 10:48:15 AM PDT by george76
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To: george76

Because nothing fixes an economy like higher taxes.


2 posted on 04/22/2013 10:53:26 AM PDT by Uncle Miltie (Leftists' favorite Mass Murderer: Kermit Gosnell)
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To: Uncle Miltie

And open borders.


3 posted on 04/22/2013 10:56:01 AM PDT by Dogbert41
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To: george76

IF
And that is a big IF

... we are going to implement an Internet tax, it should be based upon the shipping and receiving address. Require each state to publish their “Internet tax rate”. Then based upon the two addresses, average the internet tax. Say the shipping address has a 4% tax and the receiving address has a 6% tax. The average would be 5%. Charge that 5% to the customer, then split the amount into an equal amount that then gets remitted to each state.

The net effect will be to push shippers (and their jobs) to lower taxed states. Likewise, individuals in high tax states will want to move out of those states.


4 posted on 04/22/2013 10:58:31 AM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: Uncle Miltie

Hey. The beast needs to be fed and its current sources of revenue aren’t enough to pay for its ever-increasing appetite. If only Internet users paid their “fair share”, all our deficit problems would be solved . . . .


5 posted on 04/22/2013 11:02:03 AM PDT by Opinionated Blowhard ("When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.")
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To: george76

Because we ca TAX our way into prosperity!


6 posted on 04/22/2013 11:07:01 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Inside every liberal and WOD defender is a totalitarian screaming to get out.)
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To: george76

State Legislatures are the farm system for Congress. Hence Congress is not going to thwart their desires for new revenue. That would be like the Yankees getting undercut by their Triple-A team.


7 posted on 04/22/2013 11:07:40 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: taxcontrol

Are you kidding? More likely the result would have the consumer being taxed the full rate at BOTH ends.


8 posted on 04/22/2013 11:08:19 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Inside every liberal and WOD defender is a totalitarian screaming to get out.)
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To: george76
Any Internet seller with more than $1 million in annual sales would be forced to serve all of the nation's tax collectors.

What will most likely be the end result is if "Joe Internet Golf and Tennis Store" has $1.5 Million in sales. Joe will split it into two separate companies "Joe's Internet Golf Store" and "Joe's Internet Tennis Store" each with less than $1 Million in sales to avoid the cost and legal liability associated with the new law.

9 posted on 04/22/2013 11:08:52 AM PDT by apillar
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To: taxcontrol
Boy are you naive. The new internet tax would be a tax on the shipping state sale, a tax on the purchase state sale PLUS the federal tax.

The US Senate is not interested in splitting the taxes with the states and leaving themselves out.

The net effect will be to push shippers (and their jobs) to lower taxed states...
LOL!
The net effect will be to (further) push shippers (and their jobs) OUT of the country.
10 posted on 04/22/2013 11:10:42 AM PDT by lewislynn ( We bet on the black, it came up red.)
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To: Opinionated Blowhard

There are states that DO NOT impose sales taxes on a variety of goods. My own state, Taxachusetts doesn’t tax food and clothing (believe it or not).
Can you imagine the cost and scope of the tax laws each internet seller will have to calculate when the “selling state” imposes a sales tax, but the “receiving state” does not.
I see a disaster in the increase in the costs of doing business on the net. There are small sellers who will be driven out of business by the inflated costs.


11 posted on 04/22/2013 11:11:09 AM PDT by CaptainAmiigaf (NY TIMES: "We print the news as it fits our views")
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To: george76

Rush a vote?

Notice you don’t see any Senators talking about this one.

Who are the GOP Senators willing to screw us on this?

And who is lobbying for this besides high sales tax governors?


12 posted on 04/22/2013 11:12:47 AM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position.)
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To: george76

Taxes,taxes,teaxes.

That’s all the Dhiminicrats know.


13 posted on 04/22/2013 12:17:40 PM PDT by NoLibZone (None here can be puzzled by why Jews walked into the cars so quietly- we are walking up the planks.)
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To: NoLibZone

Republicans like their taxes, too.


14 posted on 04/22/2013 12:18:47 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: sickoflibs

Walmart, Amazon, any big store that wants small competitors shut out of their market.


15 posted on 04/22/2013 12:22:30 PM PDT by rudabaga
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To: CaptainAmiigaf

Virtually every city in Washington has its own tax rate due to the fact that cities and counties are allowed to add local sales taxes. These may include public transit, enhanced 911, hotel/motel tax, just to name a few. I imagine other states do likewise. What a job trying to keep up with those.


16 posted on 04/22/2013 12:45:55 PM PDT by beelzepug (Telling other people they need to die is a good way to get your own lamp blown out.)
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To: Uncle Miltie; All
First, as I have previously ranted in related threads, bear in mind that all taxes that corrupt Congress threatens us with wrongly ignore that Justice John Marshall had officially clarified the following limits on Congress's power to lay taxes. Justice Marshall had noted that Congress is prohibited from laying taxes in the name of state power isuses, essentially any issue which Congress cannot justify under its constitutional Section 8, Article I-limited powers.
"Congress is not empowered to tax for those purposes which are within the exclusive province of the States." --Justice John Marshall, Gibbons v. Ogden, 1824.

Next I will point out that many things that we order from Amazon, for example, are imported goods. And since I find the Constitution's language about federal taxes to be a bit confusing, I will reference an excerpt from Thomas Jefferson's writings as to how the federal government layed taxes to fund its operations after the Constitution was ratified.

"The rich alone use imported articles, and on these alone the whole taxes of the General Government are levied (emphasis added). … Our revenues liberated by the discharge of the public debt, and its surplus applied to canals, roads, schools, etc., the farmer will see his government supported, his children educated, and the face of his country made a paradise by the contributions of the rich alone, without his being called on to spend a cent from his earnings." --Thomas Jefferson to Thaddeus Kosciusko, 1811.

But now that greedy-as-Congress unions have forced American manufactures to use foreign labor in order to be competitive, I question if us poor folks are now paying import taxes on many of the goods that we buy without knowing it.

Also, since the Founding States had individually retained their sovereignty as evideced by 10A, I'm thinking that Clause 5 of Section 9 of Article I still prohibits Congress from laying taxes on goods exported from one state to another, especially since the exported good is these days probably a foreign-imported good subject to federal tariffs as in the early days of the country.

So with all the above in mind, can Congress's threat to lay an Internet tax not only be regarded as double-taxation on foreign-imported goods, but also a Clause 5 of Section 9-prohibited tax on those same goods when later exported from one state to another, the way that I'm reading Clause 9 anyway? (And don't forget Justice Marshall's clarification of Congress's limited power to lay taxes.)

17 posted on 04/22/2013 1:18:50 PM PDT by Amendment10
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To: rudabaga
RE :”Walmart, Amazon, any big store that wants small competitors shut out of their market.”

I still dont pay sales tax on my amazon but they did have some trouble in CA with that.

Reminds me of under GWB years when some grandma got hit up with a demand of ~ $50K by a record company because her granddaugher downoaded a few songs.

I dont see that happening anymore, but online radio stations must pay to play the sonds now but every windows 7 has a built in audeo recorder to record the stream as it is playing.

Now they seem to target those who share files.

18 posted on 04/22/2013 1:43:49 PM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position.)
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To: rudabaga
RE :”Walmart, Amazon, any big store that wants small competitors shut out of their market”

Ironic that in the GWB years when Walmark was underpricing other stores and many folded and some states/cities went after them how National Review and others defended them as market success, now they (walmarts) want to use the government to crash internet companies as others tried to do to them.

19 posted on 04/22/2013 1:48:08 PM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position.)
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To: taxcontrol

You forgot the 2% or so vig that the Federal government will skim off the top!


20 posted on 04/22/2013 1:52:43 PM PDT by Noob1999 (Loose Lips, Sink Ships)
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To: george76

Mr Reid and his tax-happy thugs might want to notice this bill’s purpose is to raise revenue and cannot be properly brought in the Senate.

Not that something simple like the Rule of Law has ever stopped them before.


21 posted on 04/22/2013 2:53:13 PM PDT by upchuck (To the faceless, jack-booted government bureaucrat who just scanned this post: SCREW YOU!)
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To: george76

What better way to kill internet commerce than to tax it to death....

The internet commerce being one of the few things holding this damned economy together with bailing wire....

I really despise these bastards!!!

If they pass an “internet tax” the internet businesses should sue the Fed Gov because it will probably not affect regular mail order catalog businesses....


22 posted on 04/22/2013 5:54:59 PM PDT by GraceG
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To: george76
Like all government B.S., this is titled to attempt to pull the wool over people's eyes and benefit big government.

They are calling it the "Marketplace Fairness Act". It "allows" online retailers to collect taxes for state governments from online purchases.

If they are sooooo concerned about fairness and "leveling the playing field" for all businesses, why don't they pass a law outlawing all sales taxes, online and in person?

Again, government makes things fair by benefiting themselves and spreading the misery equally among everyone else.

23 posted on 04/23/2013 10:00:01 AM PDT by Washi (PUSH BACK! Encourage your legislators to introduce pro-second amendment legislation.)
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To: Washi

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We are all aware (I hope) that it is illegal for the federal government to require and keep permanent records on the names, addresses, firearms SN#s and demand them from firearms dealers.

Next there will be a VAT tax - with all that entails

This alleged “Marketplace Fairness Act” is just an unlimited “internet sales tax” which will constitute a mandatory federal registration list of gun owners - which would then lead to banning, taxing, and/or confiscation of the honest American citizen’s firearms.

Like Obamacare - the IRS and HHS will suddenly be writing thousands of rules and regulations every week - bypassing Congress

Excutive Orders will flow from Opansy’s mouth and sneak into your bank accounts and your gun safe.

Call the National Rifle Association’s (NRA) Institute for Legislative Action (NRA/ILA) right now and ask them if this would be illegal and unconstitutional and be an infringement on the 2nd Amendment to the United States Constitution.

NRA/ILA

1-(877)-672-7632
1-(800)-672-3888

Put down you coffee and call now

Do you want Valerie Jarrett paying for her Cape Cod vacations with the illegal internet taxes grabbed from your online firearms and/or ammo purchases?

Are you just going to be like the Jews in 1930s Germany saying: “I am a good little NAZI and my father bravely fought as a soldier for Germany in WWI.”

So did Hitler you idiots!

How did that work out?

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24 posted on 04/25/2013 8:54:58 AM PDT by devolve ( -- -- liberals secret fuel economy trick -- simply fill up your tires with propane --)
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To: CaptainAmiigaf
Only businesses big enough to side up to gov't by hiring K-Streeters to spread the wealth around (in the Capitol) will survive.

Just more crony "capitalism".

25 posted on 04/25/2013 12:31:09 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: beelzepug

MT has sales taxes in “resort” designated localities.


26 posted on 04/25/2013 12:34:23 PM PDT by Paladin2
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