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Townhall.com ^ | April 22, 2013 | Rich Galen

Posted on 04/22/2013 12:21:37 PM PDT by Kaslin

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To: kingu
I looked up if a naturalized citizen can lose his citizenship and I found this link

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2638646/posts

The first one is: 1. Convicted For An Act Of Treason Against The United States

I wonder if what he did could be considered treason?

21 posted on 04/22/2013 12:57:59 PM PDT by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: Paladin2

Paladin, I have personally told people to tell the police they can’t search them, their car, their homes, or property. I have personally told people to invoke their Miranda rights upon being questioned. And in a couple of instances, people I had talked to were arrested and either incriminated themselves by statements or allowed a search. It is easy for us to tell people to assert their rights, but once someone is in a tough spot, they find it difficult to do so.


22 posted on 04/22/2013 12:58:49 PM PDT by Enterprise ("Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." Voltaire)
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To: Enterprise
I agree.

It apparently takes training or life experiences. As an old fart, I now have both.

23 posted on 04/22/2013 1:00:53 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: centurion316

I like Alysin Camerota, but sometimes she get things wrong, I could just scream


24 posted on 04/22/2013 1:05:07 PM PDT by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: donna

“So the penalty for no Miranda:

The cops may interrogate a person and act upon the knowledge gained, but may not use the statements in a criminal trial.”

Close but incomplete. Not only can defendant’s statements not be used, any evidence gleaned from the statements cannot be used (Poisonous Tree Doctrine) unless the discovery of the evidence would have been inevitable (through another source).


25 posted on 04/22/2013 1:08:04 PM PDT by Oregon Betsy Ross
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To: Kaslin

Was it an overt act of war? It was done in the open, at least two witnesses can be produced to bear witness to the act, and firing upon forces seems like a continuation of that act...

I’d say it’d have a good chance of passing judicial review as being acts of treason.


26 posted on 04/22/2013 1:13:56 PM PDT by kingu (Everything starts with slashing the size and scope of the federal government.)
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To: Oregon Betsy Ross
“...So the penalty for no Miranda...".

The Miranda Warning got "invented" when I was a teenager; since then, criminality has gone rampant.

27 posted on 04/22/2013 3:25:16 PM PDT by Does so (Progressives Don't Know the Meaning of INFRINGED...)
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I wonder if what he did could be considered treason?

Would a reasonably intelligent and informed person consider the act of placing explosive devices to maim and kill persons attending a sporting venue to be 'waging war against these United States'? If the answer is affirmative, then, by the definition present within the Constitution, which is the sole legal definition of the crime of Treason, then it is, in fact, Treason.

the infowarrior

28 posted on 04/22/2013 7:41:38 PM PDT by infowarrior
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To: xzins

One of the consequences of the Miranda ruling and having to “Mirandize” suspects is that people can now get lazy about their Constitutional liberties. If we reward lasy, dummies we’ll get more of them.


29 posted on 04/22/2013 7:44:19 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: kingu
Was it an overt act of war? It was done in the open, at least two witnesses can be produced to bear witness to the act, and firing upon forces seems like a continuation of that act...

I’d say it’d have a good chance of passing judicial review as being acts of treason.

An excellent summation. Now, for the $64,000.00 question. Was is this not applied to this case, or even more importantly, the case of Nidal Hasan?

the infowarrior

30 posted on 04/22/2013 7:59:04 PM PDT by infowarrior
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To: Kaslin

This is a dead issue now (at least for this guy) as he was read his Miranda rights, by the judge at his hearing today. His lawyer was right at his side, too!


31 posted on 04/22/2013 8:18:04 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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