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Analysts surprised by alleged Al Qaeda in Iran tie in Canada plot
la times ^ | 4/22/2013 | Emily Alpert

Posted on 04/22/2013 7:29:44 PM PDT by tobyhill

Police in Canada said Monday that two men suspected of plotting to derail a passenger train were guided by Al Qaeda elements in Iran, but the statement surprised many experts who study terrorism in the Middle East and Iran.

“It frankly doesn’t compute for me,” said Barbara Slavin, a senior fellow at the Atlantic Council. "If there is any link, I would think it was extremely tangential."

Iran and Al Qaeda have frequently had chilly relations, according to Slavin and other experts. Iran is majority Shiite, while Al Qaeda is firmly Sunni. In Syria, Al Qaeda has jumped into the fray alongside opposition fighters while Iran has backed President Bashar Assad. Iran has also held Al Qaeda members in the country under house arrest, monitoring their activities. Documents confiscated from Osama bin Laden's hide-out in Pakistan and released last year suggested discord between the two.

Canadian police said there was no reason to believe that the plotted attacks were sponsored by any state, which would mean the Iranian government was not involved. Police provided no further details regarding the alleged involvement of Al Qaeda elements in Iran in the plot.

(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: alqaeda; alqaida; aq; canada; iran; islam; jihad; shia; sunni; terrorism; wot
FReepers had this figured out over 11 years ago.
1 posted on 04/22/2013 7:29:44 PM PDT by tobyhill
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To: tobyhill
"experts who study terrorism in the Middle East and Iran. "

Guess that they are not really "experts".

2 posted on 04/22/2013 7:32:23 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: tobyhill

Just one more thing that FReepers could have told the “experts.” And we would have done it for free!


3 posted on 04/22/2013 7:32:25 PM PDT by Enterprise ("Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." Voltaire)
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To: tobyhill

Islam is a bonding religion/social structure/political scheme.


4 posted on 04/22/2013 7:33:21 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: tobyhill

Iran represses Sunnis, and has been ever since the revolution, but lets not kid ourselves who they hate more.

Khomeini backed the Soviets against the mujahideen in Afghanistan because they were against the Great Satan.

The Ayatollahs are as reliant on hatred of America as the Nazis were on hatred of Slavs and Jews.


5 posted on 04/22/2013 7:36:39 PM PDT by Shadow44
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To: tobyhill

Americans and Canadians are NOT surprised.

Canada and America CONTINUE to be attacked as
their “protectionary” agencies are infiltrated
by the Enemy.


6 posted on 04/22/2013 7:37:43 PM PDT by Diogenesis (De Oppresso Liber)
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To: tobyhill

they may have their disputes among themselves, but when it comes to jihad and terrorism directed against the US or any of the “West,” they are united.

It seems everyone knows this except the experts.


7 posted on 04/22/2013 7:38:58 PM PDT by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-hereQaeda" and its allies.)
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To: tobyhill

the plot was busted in Canada but the train was headed for NEW YORK

so what is Barky gonna do about it?

(crickets)


8 posted on 04/22/2013 7:39:35 PM PDT by silverleaf (Age Takes a Toll: Please Have Exact Change)
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To: tobyhill

“Unexpected”?


9 posted on 04/22/2013 7:39:51 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: tobyhill

“They cut my hands off ....and I don’t why...”


10 posted on 04/22/2013 7:40:49 PM PDT by Dallas59 (America died a little bit more on 11/6/2012)
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To: tobyhill
An almost surely left wing think tank being surprised that Iran would have some involvement in terroristic activities. How...surprising. Not.
11 posted on 04/22/2013 7:44:11 PM PDT by Major Matt Mason ("Journalism is dead. All news is suspect." - Noamie)
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To: tobyhill
Yeah, we know about the "analysts"...


12 posted on 04/22/2013 7:45:38 PM PDT by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: tobyhill

Methodists and Baptists have their differences too... but both would stand against the Jim Jones “kool aid’ cult... Radical Islam (both Sunni and Shiite) sees us as the Jim Jones cult - or worse.


13 posted on 04/22/2013 7:47:36 PM PDT by GOPJ (The screed of so-called journalists: 'If it doesn't fit, you must omit.' - - freeper Vigilanteman)
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To: silverleaf
the plot was busted in Canada but the train was headed for NEW YORK so what is Barky gonna do about it?

Deny them big gulps and check ID's to see if they're old enough to smoke...

14 posted on 04/22/2013 7:49:37 PM PDT by GOPJ (The screed of so-called journalists: 'If it doesn't fit, you must omit.' - - freeper Vigilanteman)
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To: Diogenesis
Americans and Canadians are NOT surprised.

Canada and America CONTINUE to be attacked as their “protectionary” agencies are infiltrated by the Enemy.

Imagine a 100,000 muslim jihadi H-1Bs working in power plants, fertilizer factories, refineries, chemical manufacturers, hospitals, utilities, dams, pharmaceutical formulators, web hub server farms, municipal water supplies, sewage treatment...

15 posted on 04/22/2013 7:54:16 PM PDT by null and void (Republicans create the tools of oppression and Democrats use them. Gun confiscation enables tyranny.)
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To: tobyhill

The most successfull terrorist attacks are the ones that are unexpected. Virtually no defense for the unexpected.


16 posted on 04/22/2013 7:55:45 PM PDT by pfflier
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To: BenLurkin
Precisely

             Unexpected

17 posted on 04/22/2013 7:56:05 PM PDT by tomkat
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To: tobyhill
Canadian police said there was no reason to believe that the plotted attacks were sponsored by any state, which would mean the Iranian government was not involved.

I think so too. I don't think the Iranian government would be that stupid to flirt with suicide. They're kleptomaniacs, not maniacs and love the good life too much.

People seem to forget that in the early days of the war on terror, Iran cooperated with us on anti-Taliban operations in Afghanistan because it was in the Iranian national interest to do so.

With Iran, self-interest and survival trump "hate".

18 posted on 04/22/2013 8:04:02 PM PDT by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: tomcat; dfwgator
Hooray!

('Stolen' from dfwgator)

19 posted on 04/22/2013 8:05:17 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: tobyhill

stupid analysts can’t understanding that radical islam wants to kill who are not like them


20 posted on 04/22/2013 8:10:12 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: Paladin2

Yup. Islam is global Scientology, with a murderous bent.


21 posted on 04/22/2013 8:16:34 PM PDT by JennysCool (My hypocrisy goes only so far)
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To: tobyhill

Canadians played a major role in saving our personnel in Iran during the hostage crisis. ARGO just rubbed salt in that wound and this plot would have killed both Americans and Canadians. That was my first thought when the bombs went off in Boston. What does the Marathon commemorate? The Battle of Marathon where the Persians were defeated in 490 BC.


22 posted on 04/22/2013 8:20:44 PM PDT by DocRock (All they that TAKE the sword shall perish with the sword. Matthew 26:52 Gun grabbers beware.)
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To: tobyhill
Well they have progessed somewhat.

Before Iraq War.

There is no way Saddam would work with terrorists because he is secular.

After Iraq War.

There is no way the Sunni and Shiite will ever work together on terrorism.

23 posted on 04/22/2013 8:27:00 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: justa-hairyape
There is no way the Sunni and Shiite will ever work together on terrorism.

Only when it is in the Iranian national interest. The Iranian regime may be crooks and rabble rousers, but they don't have a death wish- the Iran-Iraq War showed that.

24 posted on 04/22/2013 8:32:41 PM PDT by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: tobyhill

“unexpected”


25 posted on 04/22/2013 8:32:48 PM PDT by RightGeek (FUBO and the donkey you rode in on)
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To: tobyhill

She must be the threat assessment director for the Boston Marathon.


26 posted on 04/22/2013 8:40:57 PM PDT by NoLibZone (None here can be puzzled by why Jews walked into the cars so quietly- we are walking up the planks.)
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To: DocRock
Your post #22.

Canadians played a major role in saving our personnel in Iran during the hostage crisis.

Your kind words appreciated. We now learn one of the two men apprended this manner is from Tunisia and the other from the United Arab Emirates.

I hear no praise as yet for the Royal Canadian Mounted Police and the American arm of intelligence, who worked together. Well done and thank God, we did not get another horrible jolt.

I have read Sir Edward Creasy and his "Fifteen Decisive Battles" (1851). He credits the Athenians with the great victory over Persia. He reckoned the whole of Western Civilization would have been lost with a defeat. Be that as it may, I remember one phrase from his narative. This of the Persians.

"Their arrows darkened the Sun".

Excuse the ramble but if we of the English speaking peoples "do not hang together, we will surely hang apart".

27 posted on 04/22/2013 8:46:45 PM PDT by Peter Libra
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To: tobyhill
...the statement surprised many experts who study terrorism in the Middle East and Iran.

It would seem they've been studying the wrong book, doesn't it?

28 posted on 04/22/2013 9:03:59 PM PDT by WesternPacific (I believe in the Gospel of Jesus Christ)
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To: tobyhill

You say Sunni, I say Shia -— let’s call the whole thing off.


29 posted on 04/22/2013 10:11:47 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: tobyhill
Analysts surprised by alleged Al Qaeda in Iran tie in Canada plot.

The message that keeps repeating over and over again is that most of the experts cited in the daily news --- aren't.
They just have cushy forever jobs and whether they are right or wrong doesn't really matter.

What difference does it make?

Never finding what is logically obvious to the rest of us makes life easier for everybody; from the fake president down to the littlest delusional tyrant bureaucrat.

30 posted on 04/22/2013 10:41:34 PM PDT by publius911 (Look for the Union label, then buy something else.)
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To: tobyhill

Duh! I’m really, really, really gettin’ scared now. No shiite, for real.


31 posted on 04/23/2013 1:11:19 AM PDT by Eagles6 (Valley Forge Redux)
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To: publius911
“It frankly doesn’t compute for me,” said Barbara Slavin

Maybe your brain needs a software update. Or just admit you are wrong.

32 posted on 04/23/2013 2:06:48 AM PDT by Right Wing Assault (Dick Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
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To: Shadow44
"Khomeini backed the Soviets"

The Soviets actively supported Iraq against Khomeni in the decade-long Iran-Iraq War.

33 posted on 04/23/2013 2:19:48 AM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Southack

The two bombers in Boston can now take credit for stiring the “hornets nest” for all the terroist groups around.

I predict that there will hundreds of similar incidents happeing across the U.S. and in Canada in the not too distant future. Mexico on the other hand? Well they have their issues, like sneaking into the U.S.


34 posted on 04/23/2013 4:41:44 AM PDT by DaveA37 (I'm for HONEST government)
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To: Progov

Nah. The important take-away from the Boston bombings is that no group in the world was willing to take credit for the event.

They fear the drone wars.

It has taken *years* of killing leaders worldwide from the air to reach this point.


35 posted on 04/23/2013 4:20:35 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Southack

Yes they did because Iraq was a long term client state of the Soviets.

However, Iran still didn’t support the Mujahideen or Islamist separatist movements in the USSR because Khomeini valued their strategic value against the US more than their animosity towards atheism.


36 posted on 04/23/2013 4:23:10 PM PDT by Shadow44
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To: Shadow44
"Khomeini backed the Soviets against the mujahideen in Afghanistan"

Incorrect.

37 posted on 04/23/2013 5:00:26 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Southack

I don’t get where I’m incorrect. Iran provided no assistance to the Mujahideen, other than some tiny Shia groups in a failed attempt to export their revolution early on. Iran hated the mujahideen and the Taliban, viewing them as Pakistani oriented.

Iran even backed Armenia against Azerbaijan because the Azeris were orienting themselves towards the West and needed to be “punished”.


38 posted on 04/23/2013 5:13:31 PM PDT by Shadow44
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To: Shadow44
"Khomeini backed the Soviets against the mujahideen in Afghanistan" -Shadow44

Khomeini did not back the Soviets against the mujahideen.

39 posted on 04/23/2013 6:55:43 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Southack

Ok fine, “backed” was too strong of a word to use. However, the mujahideen were not supported by Iran either.


40 posted on 04/23/2013 7:08:09 PM PDT by Shadow44
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To: Southack

Seeing as how Iran is the safest place for terrorists of any stripe to hang out - well, except for the US - I’m sure some overlooking can be done.


41 posted on 04/23/2013 7:19:31 PM PDT by txhurl
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To: tobyhill

analysts-surprised bump


42 posted on 04/24/2013 8:04:36 PM PDT by Dajjal (Justice Robert Jackson was wrong -- the Constitution IS a suicide pact.)
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