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China Deploys Carrier Killer Missile Near Taiwan
Investor's Business Daily ^ | April 23, 2013 | IBD EDITORIALS

Posted on 04/23/2013 6:14:32 AM PDT by raptor22

Asian Security: As Korea festers, our friends in Beijing have deployed near Taiwan a powerful missile designed to take out U.S. aircraft carriers as Beijing strengthens its ability to prevent U.S. forces from aiding Taiwan.

When North Korea announced the 1953 Armistice was considered null and void and threatened renewed missile tests, the U.S. rushed naval assets to the region, including two destroyers equipped with the Aegis anti-missile defense system. We presumably would do so if things heated up between Beijing and its claimed "lost province," Taiwan.

That option became increasingly problematical when news of China's deployment of an anti-ship ballistic missile near Taiwan came in written testimony by the Pentagon's head of intelligence, Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn, delivered to a Senate committee on Thursday.

The missile, designated the DF-21D, is one of a "growing number of conventionally armed" new weapons China is deploying to the region, adding to more than 1,200 short-range missiles opposite the island democracy, Flynn, the Defense Intelligence Agency director, told the Senate Armed Services Committee.

The Dong Feng-21D is intended to give China "the capability to attack large ships, particularly aircraft carriers, in the western Pacific," the Pentagon's 2012 China report said. The report cites estimates that the missile's range exceeds 930 miles (1,500 kilometers).

The land-based missile is designed to target and track aircraft carrier groups with the help of satellites, unmanned aerial vehicles and over-the-horizon radar. Launched into space, the DF21D re-enters the atmosphere, maneuvering at 10 times the speed of sound towards its target.

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TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Government; Japan
KEYWORDS: aegis; carrierkiller; china; df21d; dongfeng21d; ibd; ibddefense; missiledefense; northkorea; senkaku; senkakuislands; taiwan
Now about those budget cuts, Mr. President...
1 posted on 04/23/2013 6:14:32 AM PDT by raptor22
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To: raptor22

Sink an aircraft carrier. It becomes a hot war. Obama has no say. Field commanders annihilate China. Are they that stupid?

I know the Keyan idiot is, but is China? Then again they are commies which means they’re stupid.


2 posted on 04/23/2013 6:21:44 AM PDT by mindburglar (It must be noon, because I'm drunk somewhere.)
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To: raptor22

Well, why not? American has elected a weak, apologetic appeaser twice now. Why shouldn’t our enemies get in our face and start pushing the boundaries? Obama and his administration are far more concerned with social engineering in the Armed Forces than national defense anyway. And I think he actually prefers a weakened America, because after all, it’s not fair to the rest of the world that we’re so powerful and prosperous.


3 posted on 04/23/2013 6:23:41 AM PDT by barefoot_hiker
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To: mindburglar
Sink an aircraft carrier. It becomes a hot war. Obama has no say. Field commanders annihilate China. Are they that stupid?

1) It's extremely unlikely these missiles (or anything) could sink a Nimitz-class carrier. Disable it enough so it can't do flight ops and it's a worthless hunk of metal, however.

2) You can't annihilate China without nuclear weapons, and the nuclear chain of command is securely in the hands of the President. "Field Commanders" can't nuke anybody.

3) I can't conceive of any circumstance where China disabling a carrier with conventional weapons draws a nuclear response.

4 posted on 04/23/2013 6:24:29 AM PDT by Strategerist
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5 posted on 04/23/2013 6:25:32 AM PDT by raptor22 (Visit my blog at True Conservatives on Twitter: http://t.co/IKpP3cwq)
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To: mindburglar

This is the problem.

Currently China is running an accounts surplus. A large accounts surplus. Full employment, so a growing military budget.

We are running an accounts deficit. A shrinking accounts (deficit). Not near full employment, and a shrinking military budget.

One of us, is doing “trade” wrong.


6 posted on 04/23/2013 6:25:34 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

Has there ever been a president that is pro-taiwan and anti-china since I’ve been alive? and I’m over 40.

maybe it is too late for taiwan to declare independent. the window of opportunity has passed. which taiwan also share part of the blame. i really favor a one china - one taiwan policy as opposed to just one china.


7 posted on 04/23/2013 6:32:44 AM PDT by VAFreedom (maybe i should take a nap before work)
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To: raptor22

.......I’m no Admiral but I don’t think I would take a 5-10 billion dollar asset with 5,000 personnel on board within range of this missile while hoping and praying that our anti-missile missile would protect me. And, this is to say nothing of all the ships that accompany a carrier.

And, if BB ordered me to, I think I would resign right then and there.

This does beg the question of whether or not these hugely expensive carriers are still viable in 21st Century warfare.


8 posted on 04/23/2013 6:33:56 AM PDT by Cen-Tejas (it's the debt bomb stupid!)
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To: raptor22

More worried about shore to ship batteries the Chinese developed, sold to Iran and now threaten our big blue water ships operating in the narrow Persian Gulf.


9 posted on 04/23/2013 6:42:21 AM PDT by allendale
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10 posted on 04/23/2013 6:43:17 AM PDT by raptor22 (Visit my blog at True Conservatives on Twitter: http://t.co/IKpP3cwq)
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To: barefoot_hiker

I agree with your sentiment but Taiwan makes it in china’s face.


11 posted on 04/23/2013 6:45:11 AM PDT by enduserindy (Conservative Dead Head)
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To: raptor22

I don’t know what the Office of Naval Research (ONR) is doing right now, but if they can just come up with a slap-dash design for a *simple* ship, that only needs to do *one* thing well, they need to do so right now.

That ship needs to have a nuclear reactor, which requires significant design elements, and two independent energy “guns” that can take down missiles. It doesn’t have to do *anything* else. No bells and whistles. No missiles or other weapons of its own.

And it never strays from the aircraft carrier task group.


12 posted on 04/23/2013 6:55:53 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Best WoT news at rantburg.com)
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13 posted on 04/23/2013 7:07:01 AM PDT by raptor22 (Visit my blog at True Conservatives on Twitter: http://t.co/IKpP3cwq)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

That would also be one of the world’s best AA Cruisers, except during inclement weather. Still, putting a bunch of THELs on a ship might work.

Ship might end up being more like a tanker though since these are chemical lasers. And the greens would really, really hate all that hot, toxic lasing chemical being dumped at sea...


14 posted on 04/23/2013 7:33:00 AM PDT by Little Ray (How did I end up in this hand-basket, and why is it getting so hot?)
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To: Little Ray

The navy really, really, really, really, really hates chemical lasers. With a passion. They haven’t touched them for years and years.

The Navy ships treat gasoline like it is plutonium, for example; when small UAVs or outboard motors need it it’s stored with extreme care.

The Navy is rightfully obsessed with fire prevention (the true ship killer) and avoiding toxic chemicals as much as possible. Imagine the USS Cole if it was storing tons of the toxic soup needed for a chemical laser.

They are only looking at solid-state lasers, and at the high end, the Free Electron laser (which requires a 100 foot particle accelerator, but at least no toxic chemicals.)


15 posted on 04/23/2013 7:52:01 AM PDT by Strategerist
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To: Strategerist

Well, a 400 ft. ship dedicated solely to lasers and fire control would have plenty of room for particle accelerators. Maybe it is time for the navy to resurrect the Anti-Aircraft Cruiser. Too bad there is already sub named Atlanta.


16 posted on 04/23/2013 7:59:39 AM PDT by Little Ray (How did I end up in this hand-basket, and why is it getting so hot?)
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To: raptor22

China’s been our designated manufacturing producer for decades, while American working class men (the real American men) have been falsely accused and robbed. There are consequences for the wrongs committed by the socially pathological political/regulator class: default, weaknesses against foreign enemies and others.

During the next few years, remember how you treated fathers and men.


17 posted on 04/23/2013 11:51:32 AM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: mindburglar
I know the Keyan idiot is, but is China? Then again they are commies which means they’re stupid.

China holds nearly 10% of our debt, and they have untold billions invested in American companies, real estate, etc. The United States is China's single biggest trading partner, and they are running $200 billion a year in a positive trade balance.

We got to war with China, it destroys both our economies, and China already has the means to destroy our economy without firing a single shot.

We are not going to war with China, they are just posturing and/or working on becoming the eventual top defense manufacturer. They didn't get to where they are at, take on over a trillion of US debt, spend the untold billions they've invested in our economy and real estate, only to turn around and piss it all away in a war over Taiwan.
18 posted on 04/23/2013 3:43:27 PM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
Currently China is running an accounts surplus. A large accounts surplus. Full employment, so a growing military budget.

We are running an accounts deficit. A shrinking accounts (deficit). Not near full employment, and a shrinking military budget.

One of us, is doing “trade” wrong.


There is a $200 billion+ gap in our trade with China, and it will only grow over the coming years, with a few dips here and there.

China already went to war with us, and they won. It was an economic war, and most people didn't realize it until after it was over.
19 posted on 04/23/2013 3:47:22 PM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: Strategerist

“extremely unlikely these missiles (or anything) could sink a Nimitz-class carrier”

Man o man, I wish you hadn’t said that.

But, we owe them too much money and their economy depends on us buying their crap. So, I assess a kinetic option as “minimal.”


20 posted on 04/23/2013 3:54:50 PM PDT by wxgesr (I want to be the first person to surf on another planet (Uranus)
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To: raptor22

Hopefully a SM-3 + AEGIS can take it out.

The Chinese cannot be sure it cannot. Deterrence.


21 posted on 04/23/2013 4:38:26 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: mindburglar
Sink an aircraft carrier. It becomes a hot war. Obama has no say. Field commanders annihilate China. Are they that stupid?

In 1961-2 Communist Party member was part of a coalition Indian government and received the defense ministry as his portfolio.

The Chinese, desiring to hold the Himalaya passes, sent the People's Liberation Army through the passes to take ground on the other side and hold it. Menon's part was to stall and immobilize the Indian Army, traitorously, until the PLA had achieved its maximum goals. Menon was sidetracked and kicked out of government, but not before he had used his constitutional powers pro bono the Chinese government -- just like Bill Clinton did.

22 posted on 04/23/2013 5:30:19 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: lentulusgracchus
Erratum: Should read, "Communist Party member Krishna Menon was part of a coalition ...."
23 posted on 04/23/2013 5:32:14 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: raptor22

China to build second, larger carrier - report
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/04/24/china-navy-carrier-idUSL3N0DA9BT20130424?feedType=RSS&feedName=industrialsSector&rpc=43


24 posted on 04/23/2013 10:24:54 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (I’m not a Republican, I’m a conservative! Pubbies haven't been conservative since before T.R.)
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To: af_vet_rr

I disagree, though we are certainly headed for the wrong end of things.

We must bring back jobs to America.

Not outsource things around the world. Build them here.


25 posted on 04/24/2013 7:56:55 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
I disagree, though we are certainly headed for the wrong end of things.

We must bring back jobs to America.

Not outsource things around the world. Build them here.


How is that going to happen? If jobs aren't going to China, they are going to Vietnam or Brazil, or now Africa or any other number of places that aren't the US.

Are you willing to only buy American-made goods? Are you willing to picket Wal-Mart and other places that encourage the movement of jobs to China and outside of the US in general? Go picket Wal-Mart right now, and people will look at you as being a nut - too many people want their cheap crap from China to care what you or I think

And it's only going to get worse. A major part of China's military buildup is to prop up/show off their defense industry, which is doggedly trying to move in on American defense contractors. Once they start to take contracts from American defense and/or aerospace companies, our economy will really start to head down the drain.

The way some of our defense and aerospace companies are run, it wouldn't take much in the way of lost contracts to Chinese manufacturers to see them in dire straits.

You may disagree with me as to whether China was won the economic war, but make no mistake, it is a war, and it is a far deadlier war than any shooting war we could get into in the Pacific, because we won't recover - once many of those jobs are gone, they ain't coming back. That means more people on government assistance, which means higher taxes or more deficit spending (which means China buying more US debt), and it ultimately means that the middle class will shrink way down, which will hurt the retail and services industry (that rely on that middle class), which ....well, it's just this never-ending spiral downwards.
26 posted on 04/24/2013 1:04:54 PM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: af_vet_rr

Don’t worry.

I’m convinced. I sure do not see many on our side, on our side however.

Nobody is paying attention. While China grows, and grows.

We shrink.

And EVERYONE runs right along, saying this is how things should be.

Democrat. And Republican.

Both sides, sold out.


27 posted on 04/24/2013 6:14:22 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network
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