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2nd child of Pa. couple dies after only praying
AP Yahoo ^ | 4/23/13 | MICHAEL RUBINKAM and MARYCLAIRE DALE

Posted on 04/23/2013 10:36:56 AM PDT by OKRA2012

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To: cuban leaf

They can rely on prayer alone for themselves. For children its child neglect.

God gave us doctors.


41 posted on 04/23/2013 11:15:52 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do ithat when I have a fire.)
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To: cuban leaf

> Principles are more important than life itself

Anyone withholding medical care from their children and letting them die, has no principles.


42 posted on 04/23/2013 11:17:07 AM PDT by soycd
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To: OKRA2012

Prayer and technology are not mutually exclusive. The Good Lord was a firm believer in healers. Why these two think they know better is beyond me.


43 posted on 04/23/2013 11:19:14 AM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: cuban leaf

You don’t think that neglect is an action?


44 posted on 04/23/2013 11:19:39 AM PDT by stormer
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To: cuban leaf
Since I believe God heals miraculously, I don’t want to insert my “sensibilities” about doctors, God and healing between a parent and their children.

There's no doubt that God can heal miraculously, but sometimes His will may be that you go to a doctor. Relying on prayer alone and refusing to seek competent medical treatment is putting God to the test, something the Bible warns against.

45 posted on 04/23/2013 11:21:12 AM PDT by ken in texas (I was taught to respect my elders but it keeps getting harder to find any.)
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To: jwalsh07

Jesus was a healer.


46 posted on 04/23/2013 11:21:22 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do ithat when I have a fire.)
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To: cuban leaf

Well I fervently believe in the power of prayer. God oftens answer them. But not always. It is a mystery we cannot fathom.

But I also believe God gave us brains, doctors, life and liberty. Hopefully these people will be charged and do jail time. This is not right. It is not only about the parents. We have two dead children. What about them?


47 posted on 04/23/2013 11:22:02 AM PDT by plain talk
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To: jwalsh07

Excuse me, Jesus IS a healer. I was referring specifically to the times he healed people during his 3 years of preaching.


48 posted on 04/23/2013 11:22:16 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do ithat when I have a fire.)
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To: ZirconEncrustedTweezers

“I think if a deer knew how to fix a broken leg, it would.”

I like this one...”If babies had guns there would be no abortions”.


49 posted on 04/23/2013 11:22:34 AM PDT by caww
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To: cuban leaf

I’m sure you draw the line at abortion though.


50 posted on 04/23/2013 11:22:44 AM PDT by stuartcr ("I have habits that are older than the people telling me they're bad for me.")
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To: daniel1212

Personally, I don’t consider it a Constitutional issue; I consider it a 10 Commandments issue, namely “Thou shalt not kill.”

These parents are quilty of neglect and reckless endangerment. If they didn’t have the sense to know their child was seriously ill, they should be institutionalized. If they did, they should be in prison.

Three children died. If the Constitution can be invoked to excuse this, then I’m for gutting it.


51 posted on 04/23/2013 11:22:53 AM PDT by tsomer
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To: cuban leaf

does one’s religious freedom exceed another person’s right to life and liberty?


52 posted on 04/23/2013 11:23:08 AM PDT by AnAmericanInEngland
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To: Cletus.D.Yokel
"Parents may be free to become martyrs themselves. But it does not follow they are free, in identical circumstances, to make martyrs of their children before they have reached the age of full and legal discretion when they can make that choice for themselves."--Prince v. Massachusetts (U.S. Supreme Court 1944).
53 posted on 04/23/2013 11:23:36 AM PDT by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: OKRA2012
It does seem pretty unlikely. But who knows what other environmental factors were at work, i.e. poor nutrition, inadequate shelter, etc, that could be factor in both children's deaths. At any rate, they should be allowed to pray to their hearts’ content for the rest of their lives in the state penitentiary.
54 posted on 04/23/2013 11:24:40 AM PDT by stormer
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To: driftdiver

Yup.


55 posted on 04/23/2013 11:27:40 AM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: driftdiver

i have faith that God always answers prayers, but as i’m a realist, i understand sometimes the answer is “No.”

so i have faith that the doctor went to school, learned what they needed to and will do everything they can to take care of my children.


56 posted on 04/23/2013 11:28:32 AM PDT by absolootezer0 (2x divorced tattooed pierced harley hatin meghan mccain luvin' REAL beer drinkin' smoker ..what?)
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To: OKRA2012

What pastor tells people to do this?


57 posted on 04/23/2013 11:29:10 AM PDT by Fido969
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To: OKRA2012
The odds are extremely against two babies dying even without medical attention.

We may have a case of Munchausen by proxy syndrome or baby murderers.


It could also be a Rotavirus. It is estimated to kill 450,000 children under the age of 5 worldwide. In the US it is easily treated.

Idiots. They murdered their child in a most horrific way. The treatment is simple and usually is just IV fluids until the virus runs it's course. Sad.
58 posted on 04/23/2013 11:30:19 AM PDT by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the Occupation Media.)
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To: Cletus.D.Yokel; cuban leaf

If my religion allows human sacrifice does it mean I can do it?


59 posted on 04/23/2013 11:30:32 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do ithat when I have a fire.)
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To: henkster

Don’t give the kids food; just pray for them?

Don’t give them water; just pray for them?

Don’t give them warm winter clothing; just pray for them?

I set the bar a lot higher than most liberals, but I would see it as EVERY parent’s responsibility to provide their children with food, shelter and medical care. If they fail, they need to be held accountable.


I agree.


60 posted on 04/23/2013 11:32:17 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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