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The Controversial Moment SWAT Teams Ordered Innocent Neighbors Out Of Their Houses At GUNPOINT
Mail Online ^ | April 23, 2013 | Daily Mail Reporter

Posted on 04/23/2013 2:20:24 PM PDT by Biggirl

A startling home-made video now shows the terrifying moments where Watertown residents were forced out of their homes at gunpoint as SWAT teams performed door-to-door searches as they hunted the second marathon bomber. While millions of Bostonians waited in their houses on Friday during the city-wide lockdown, the people of Watertown were faced with SWAT officers yelling at them to get out of the buildings immediately.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Massachusetts; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: boston; housesearches; police; terrorism; watertownfamilies
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"The controversial moment SWAT teams ordered innocent neighbors out of their houses at GUNPOINT during door-to-door searches for the Boston bomber"

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1 posted on 04/23/2013 2:20:24 PM PDT by Biggirl
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To: Biggirl
The terrorists won...



2 posted on 04/23/2013 2:23:03 PM PDT by varyouga
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To: Biggirl

N.Y. Mayor Michael Bloomberg: Constitution ‘must change’ to give government more power

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/apr/23/ny-mayor-michael-bloomberg-constitution-must-chang/

And a surprising number of FReepers agree with Mayor Mike.


3 posted on 04/23/2013 2:23:18 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Biggirl

So, ACLU, are these searches still legal and constitutional? Shouldn’t they let the people stay in their homes to witness the searches, or do they want to ransack the places unobserved? Pretty cowardly for well-armored jackboots, I say.


4 posted on 04/23/2013 2:25:06 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Drag Me From Hell!)
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To: Biggirl

I don’t believe we need SWAT teams or no-knock raids. There was a 2:00am raid on my rental unit by 12 machinegun carrying, fully armored deputies. They knocked down MY front door. They were after a drunk, elderly couple that were growing 48 18” tall pot plants.

Earlier that day, there had been 3 deputies there and the couple was falling down drunk. The deputies saw the plants, but didn’t arrest these two elderly idiots. They waited for a no-knock raid.

Why? At a guess, overtime. Also, why have a SWAT team if you don’t use it? I was really annoyed.

I’m grateful they didn’t drive their armored car though my rental unit.


5 posted on 04/23/2013 2:25:30 PM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: varyouga

>>The terrorists won...<<

YEP!

They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.
Benji F.


6 posted on 04/23/2013 2:25:30 PM PDT by servantboy777
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7 posted on 04/23/2013 2:26:47 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (My faith and politics cannot be separated)
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To: Biggirl

The second terrorist was caught by (an otherwise scourged) smoker, risking his very life for a smoke, not by someone huttled in there cast iron bath tub trying to sip green tea -quietly shuuush!

Then, same guy braves a ladder to take a peak, couldn’t call in something so trivial as his boat cover laying funny.

Steeple don’t matter, they don’t make a difference! Never did.


8 posted on 04/23/2013 2:31:28 PM PDT by Fitzy_888 ("ownership society")
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
So, ACLU, are these searches still legal and constitutional?

ACLU is hibernating until the next Republican admin. Come back later.

9 posted on 04/23/2013 2:34:27 PM PDT by Steely Tom (If the Constitution can be a living document, I guess a corporation can be a person.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Shouldn’t they let the people stay in their homes to witness the searches, or do they want to ransack the places unobserved? Pretty cowardly for well-armored jackboots, I say.

What about having warrants before searching?


10 posted on 04/23/2013 2:35:22 PM PDT by freedomfiter2 (Brutal acts of commission and yawning acts of omission both strengthen the hand of the devil.)
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To: Biggirl
This is about the 11 teen thousandth 568th rendition of this same story with the same video and so far NO ONE has interviewed the vics.

What did they have to say about it?

11 posted on 04/23/2013 2:37:22 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Biggirl

I just don’t see how a K-9 and his handler could not track this guy? I’ve seen a dog find a rock tossed down a hillside by its owner come back with the very same rock. Sometimes it took a while, but he always found it. In this case the dog had blood and maybe clothes, yet unable to track. Just saying..


12 posted on 04/23/2013 2:39:35 PM PDT by WorksinKOP
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To: Biggirl

Reported by a foreign press. Where’s ours?


13 posted on 04/23/2013 2:42:47 PM PDT by jeffc (The U.S. media are our enemy)
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To: Biggirl
They weren't "FORCED" out of their homes at gunpoint......they were asked to leave their homes and were personally escorted by law enforcement officials for their own protection........

(maybe because a terrorist was in the neighborhood who just may have had another big bomb in his posession?)

Many of the replies on the crap threads like this makes FR look like the right wing equivalent of DU.............Sheesh!

14 posted on 04/23/2013 2:43:43 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (This space for rent)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

I understand that the perp may have forced himself into a person’s home and taken someone hostage. So in that case if I answered the door, if they weren’t pointing guns at me and yelling at me to get out, I would let them search FOR THE PERP ONLY. No need to treat me like a criminal in my own home and no need to look for anything other than the perp.


15 posted on 04/23/2013 2:43:52 PM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: Biggirl
How many time have you seen the plot where the nice homeowner tells the cops they haven't seen the bad guys - while the bad guys have guns trained on them from inside the house? Or the homeowner doesn't know the bad guy is hiding there, as was the case with the boat owner?

Having the civilians out of the house during the search is for their own safety.

16 posted on 04/23/2013 2:44:45 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: WorksinKOP
“I just don’t see how a K-9 and his handler could not track this guy?”

Ditto, ditto, and ditto.

I can think of only two reasons, neither of which are worth a crap:

1. Muslims are sensitive about dogs, therefore no dogs - or

2. A bunch of cowboy want-to-be’s just had to run down the street in all their paraphernalia. No sense letting Fido have all the credit when we look so good going hut, hut, hut.

17 posted on 04/23/2013 2:45:50 PM PDT by I cannot think of a name
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To: Gen.Blather

If you were only annoyed you are a better “man” than I.


18 posted on 04/23/2013 2:46:00 PM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: palmer; CodeToad; from occupied ga

PING!


19 posted on 04/23/2013 2:46:07 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Gen.Blather
I don’t believe we need SWAT teams or no-knock raids. There was a 2:00am raid on my rental unit by 12 machinegun carrying, fully armored deputies. They knocked down MY front door. They were after a drunk, elderly couple that were growing 48 18” tall pot plants. Earlier that day, there had been 3 deputies there and the couple was falling down drunk. The deputies saw the plants, but didn’t arrest these two elderly idiots. They waited for a no-knock raid.

Why? At a guess, overtime. Also, why have a SWAT team if you don’t use it? I was really annoyed.

I’m grateful they didn’t drive their armored car though my rental unit.


We need to get rid of SWAT teams. Also, we need to stop this war on drugs. I don't like drugs, I never took any illegal drugs in my life nor would I, but it is time to end it. As long as the pot smokers are not at the wheel of a car or some other vehicle, operating heavy machinery and/or making life and death decisions for the country, it is no skin off my nose. We should not have no-knock raids at all, if someone fired back because of it, it is a legit form of self-defense. IIRC, I remember a "Picket Fences" episode where a drug dealer shot and killed three cops on a no-knock raid and the sheriff was on the jury and he argued the case the perp used his Uzi in self-defense since he did not know they were police. To the perp, it could have been another criminal or the "bogey man."

Getting back to more matters here, I'd hate to be kicked out of my home because of something like this, I'd rather be there to watch them search as well as protect Mom and my cats. At least tell the people to hide in their basement or away from windows or something.

I mean if the shoe was on the other foot, how would they like it if we crashed down their doors and yell "boogedy, boogedy?!"

As I get older, I get more libertarian.
20 posted on 04/23/2013 2:47:48 PM PDT by Nowhere Man (Whitey, I miss you so much. Take care, pretty girl. (4-15-2001 - 10-12-2012))
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To: Hot Tabasco

“voluntary” is not what I saw in the video. Like I just posted, I wouldn’t mind them searching my home for the perp only, but there is no need to treat me like a criminal.


21 posted on 04/23/2013 2:49:39 PM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: Kartographer; Biggirl

So much for “hot pursuit”.

“We will enter and search at gunpoint and work out the lawsuits (to be paid in part by the victims) at a later date OR until we pass laws disallowing such suits.”


22 posted on 04/23/2013 2:49:52 PM PDT by frog in a pot (Will America ever realize having a Marxist in the White House is not a good idea?)
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To: Rusty0604

If a terrorist forced his way into your home he wouldn’t allow you to invite the police in - he would be holding your loved ones at gunpoint.

This whole thing is a delemma because the police know that and I guess that’s why they forced the people to exit their homes. I don’t like the way they forced them out, with their hands up, etc. It just didn’t look right.


23 posted on 04/23/2013 2:51:20 PM PDT by potlatch (~be content with small victories and simple pleasures~)
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To: colorado tanker

LOLOLOLOL. Great for TV but seldom true in real life. I also want to wait for the victims to be interviewed. What I saw terrified me. There is NEVER a need to order someone out of their house for this type of search. This was ONE GUY! How many times do the police look for a gunman and DON”T search houses, removing the residents at gunpoint.
You may have missed the orders to keep your hands over their heads and that they were patted down twice. Once as they stepped off the porch and again down the street.

I have searched for bad guys. We knock on doors and talk with residents. We search the area. We do not enter buildings unless they are unsecured and only after announcing.

This was over kill and a scale that I hope never to see again.


24 posted on 04/23/2013 2:51:50 PM PDT by midcop402
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To: Hot Tabasco
They weren't "FORCED" out of their homes at gunpoint......they were asked to leave their homes and were personally escorted by law enforcement officials for their own protection........

I guess you didn't listen to any police radio traffic that day. Your opinion is inconsistent with what the police and SWAT teams themselves were reporting.

25 posted on 04/23/2013 2:54:35 PM PDT by freeandfreezing
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To: Biggirl

Lawsuits coming.


26 posted on 04/23/2013 2:55:18 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Inside every liberal and WOD defender is a totalitarian screaming to get out.)
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To: I cannot think of a name

What I explained in my last post even I didn’t buy at first. A simple rock.. So, I picked them out. Owner tossed them in mid summer into deep weeds and under brush. One time, he didn’t come back for a half hour. When he did, he had the freak’in rock. As for the hut, hut, hut.. Looked at a youtube video once. is was an annual “going back to college party”. Cops got all dressed up and walked down the street doing exactly that. Clearly it was some type of practice. Point being, don’t tell me a good dog can’t find this guy. Looks like (at the very least) a chance to get some “practice”.


27 posted on 04/23/2013 2:55:24 PM PDT by WorksinKOP
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To: Nowhere Man

I don’t think drugs are worth the loss of life. I don’t do or have anything to do with drugs, but these SWAT raids that end up badly just for small users and sometimes on the wrong house is just plain stupid and totally unjust. I would rather spend the money on terrorism.


28 posted on 04/23/2013 2:55:41 PM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: colorado tanker
Having the civilians out of the house during the search is for their own safety.

Police are civilians too, because they aren't in the Army.

29 posted on 04/23/2013 2:56:01 PM PDT by Jack Black ( Whatever is left of American patriotism is now identical with counter-revolution.)
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To: colorado tanker
Having the civilians out of the house during the search is for their own safety.

So too goes the argument that disarming American citizens is for everyone's safety also.

So if we accept your premise, we should also accept the fact we need to scrap the 2nd Amendment and the 4th Amendment and surrender our weapons when demanded of us.

I assume you actually believe the State and it's agents are there to protect and serve us, so we should readily accept machine guns in our faces and ordered to exit our own homes with hands on our heads.

We are America no more.

Incredible that a forum for Conservatives reveals so many who willingly bow to statist tyranny and even argue for it - all in the name of safety and security of course.

30 posted on 04/23/2013 2:57:59 PM PDT by INVAR ("Fart for liberty, fart for freedom and fart proudly!" - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: potlatch

That was what I was trying to say, I understand the why, but the way they they treated people was not acceptable.


31 posted on 04/23/2013 2:59:45 PM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: WorksinKOP

If he was bleeding before he got in the boat (as all news stories claim he was) I absolutely guarantee a dog would have found him. With a blood trail to follow, even a poor dog can track him. Anybody that’s ever had to trail a poorly shot deer knows that.


32 posted on 04/23/2013 3:02:07 PM PDT by I cannot think of a name
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To: Hot Tabasco

You are a frigen idiot


33 posted on 04/23/2013 3:03:58 PM PDT by CGASMIA68
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To: Biggirl

I would have demanded to see a warrant. If they don’t have it my doors will remain locked.


34 posted on 04/23/2013 3:04:56 PM PDT by rcofdayton (.)
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To: Rusty0604

“If you were only annoyed you are a better “man” than I.”

The elderly man, who had been in and out of prison so many times he’d lost count, was a superb carpenter. He replaced the all metal door and the frame and painted the thing to match. (I pretended not to know anything. The neighbor had gone over and propped the door back in place and he called me. The couple was trying to not get kicked out. As long as they were paying the rent and the door was fixed, I turned a blind eye. But they moved out when the legal costs got too much. Recently, a violent crimes detective contacted me to try and find them. They’re on the lam.)


35 posted on 04/23/2013 3:05:27 PM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: potlatch
If a terrorist forced his way into your home he wouldn’t allow you to invite the police in - he would be holding your loved ones at gunpoint.

Hopefully in that case since he was at large, I would have something ready to defend myself even if I only had a .22LR rifle, I'm sure many here on FR would prepare too.
36 posted on 04/23/2013 3:06:34 PM PDT by Nowhere Man (Whitey, I miss you so much. Take care, pretty girl. (4-15-2001 - 10-12-2012))
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To: colorado tanker

Yet it was the man that has the boat, who went out to have a snoke, found bomber number 2.


37 posted on 04/23/2013 3:07:55 PM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: varyouga

38 posted on 04/23/2013 3:08:03 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Rusty0604
When it first happened and all the people were clapping for the Police, I also was thinking they had done a good job and had been working and under stress for many days.

Then when I viewed some of the film of how they were treating people I changed my views too. The average person will never see those you-tubes of how the people were forced out with their arms up like criminals and then patted down too!!

39 posted on 04/23/2013 3:09:22 PM PDT by potlatch (~be content with small victories and simple pleasures~)
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To: Rusty0604
“voluntary” is not what I saw in the video.

"Personal" video interpretation...and not real time experience. Got it.

Just curious, what did they do with those families who refused to leave their homes? Were they shot or cuffed and sent off to the internment camp?

Any reports of "preppers" making a stand? Or were those accounts suppressed by the MSM?

40 posted on 04/23/2013 3:09:43 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (This space for rent)
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To: colorado tanker
How many time have you seen the plot where the nice homeowner tells the cops they haven't seen the bad guys - while the bad guys have guns trained on them from inside the house?

So the cops ask the person to step outside and close the door behind him, and then ask the person to indicate by blinking whether there's anyone inside, in such fashion that a bad guy inside the house would be unable to see the response. If there is a bad guy in the house, even if he was holding someone's family hostage, it should be clear that the best thing for the family would be for the police to know the situation but for the bad guy not to know that they know. If someone with a closed door between them and any possible bad guy says there's no problem, the police should look elsewhere.

41 posted on 04/23/2013 3:10:26 PM PDT by supercat (Renounce Covetousness.)
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To: t1b8zs
You are a frigen idiot

If that's the best argument you can come up with then I guess it puts you in the same category.............Welcome to the club!


42 posted on 04/23/2013 3:12:54 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (This space for rent)
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To: rcofdayton

Someone wrote this elsewhere and I don’t know if it is true or not;

“The 4th ammendment only protects against unreasonable search and seizure. In a federal case with a terrorist on the loose and in a containment zone they have the right to do this”

If someone knows differently, I’d appreciate a reply.


43 posted on 04/23/2013 3:14:34 PM PDT by potlatch (~be content with small victories and simple pleasures~)
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To: colorado tanker

“...Having the civilians out of the house during the search is for their own safety...”
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?Civilians?
Your use of the word in that context is so telling.


44 posted on 04/23/2013 3:17:50 PM PDT by Repeal The 17th (We have met the enemy and he is us.)
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To: potlatch
"This whole thing is a delemma because the police know that and I guess that’s why they forced the people to exit their homes. I don’t like the way they forced them out, with their hands up, etc. It just didn’t look right." I agree, Potlatch. This was a close thing. Some urgency, hot pursuit, dangerous prey, etc. But forcing people out of their homes at gunpoint doesn't sit right. TC
45 posted on 04/23/2013 3:17:55 PM PDT by Pentagon Leatherneck
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To: Nowhere Man

I certainly agree with that, and earlier I posted that what happened in Boston should actually prove the NEED for having guns for self defense.


46 posted on 04/23/2013 3:18:13 PM PDT by potlatch (~be content with small victories and simple pleasures~)
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To: Pentagon Leatherneck

Thanks, it’s always nice to have an ‘agreeing’ reply.


47 posted on 04/23/2013 3:21:30 PM PDT by potlatch (~be content with small victories and simple pleasures~)
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To: I cannot think of a name

Sorry, my don’t tell me comment was to make a point. I see we agree FRiend.. Was not meant “at you”.


48 posted on 04/23/2013 3:24:41 PM PDT by WorksinKOP
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To: muawiyah
This is about the 11 teen thousandth 568th rendition of this same story with the same video and so far NO ONE has interviewed the vics. What did they have to say about it?

I don't care what they think of it. It's wrong. Police state wrong.

49 posted on 04/23/2013 3:28:25 PM PDT by HomeAtLast
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To: jeffc

> Reported by a foreign press. Where’s ours?

Yeah I keep noticing that the foreign press keeps reporting news that never seems to make it onto our screens over here “for some strange reason”. Makes you wonder if the 0 regime is blackmailing key MSM execs while whitewashing our news. Pretty bad when you have to rely on foreign news sources to find out what’s really going on in our nation.


50 posted on 04/23/2013 3:34:33 PM PDT by jsanders2001
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