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To: carriage_hill

Hey CH,
When you say “govt a-holes” what exactly did the govt do? Just for growing fruit trees on your own property? What the heck? Can’t we do that anymore? Or was it over the pesticides you wanted to use or what? This is mind boggling. I helped some friends slaughter and process some chickens last weekend. I bet the govt could fine/prosecute us for that. Gees.


38 posted on 04/23/2013 4:06:36 PM PDT by murrie (Margaret Thatcher. You were one of the best!!!!)
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To: murrie

The EPA, DER, DEP, DNR, Dept Int, Dept Ag, all have final and complete “say” in regulating chemicals - insecticides, pesticides, fungicides - because of soil and groundwater contamination and in PA’s case, the Chesapeake Bay. Then, the ACoE (Army Corps of Engineers) gets heavily-involved, since “they own all water rights in the lower 48 states”.

Licenses & handling permits, proper storage, application techniques, record keeping, fees, monthly inspections for disease & insect infestation all fall under their purview and regulatory responsibility.

They can shut you down in 10 secs, or if you’re on ‘good terms’, give you a second chance to get it under control, with weekly re-inspections. They can quarantine entire production fields - corn, beans, fruit, potatoes, wheat etc - at a whim, and fine you right out of business.

The paperwork and record keeping for a medium Family Farm Business, as mine was, required 2-3 people and hundreds of hours/month, plus expensive training classes during winter months to keep all applicators’ licenses current.

Applicators’ Licenses had to be displayed along with all the other 15-16 licenses we had to have to be in business (Sub-S Corp), and numbers displayed on all trucks, ads, bus cards, stationery, websites etc. The rules & regs were beyond onerous, since 2007-08, when the EPA and other fed and state agencies went frigging NUTZ.

From 1990, it was fun to own and be in business; around 2008-09, it wasn’t fun anymore. I shut down and liquidated assets in 2011. Property and buildings will be auctioned this Friday. That $8.5mm operation was my retirement. It’s not worth near that much now.

I’ll be living in a refrigerator’s empty cardboard box, in a downtown York/Lancaster vacant lot, in a few years during my “retirement”.

Whatever you do, keep it to yourself and quiet, if you’re doing it for personal use. If it’s a commercial op, that’s a whole different bowl of cereal, murrie.

Sorry to ramble. Did I answer your question?they own all water rights in the lower 48 states


46 posted on 04/23/2013 4:40:21 PM PDT by carriage_hill (No one can go back and make a new start, but anyone can start from now, and make a new ending.)
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