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For God's Sake, Stay Inside During A Gun Fight
Popular Scuence ^ | 04.22.2013 | kelsey d atherton

Posted on 04/23/2013 3:47:37 PM PDT by njslim

Ever wonder why the people taking cell phone videos of gunfights aren't themselves hit by bullets? Turns out, there's no good explanation other than dumb luck, because according to the laws of physics, they should be totally screwed.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: banglist; firefight; guncontrol; guns; secondamendment
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Wonder why the police told everyone to stay off streets during manhunt for Boston Marathon bombing suspects.......
1 posted on 04/23/2013 3:47:37 PM PDT by njslim
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To: njslim
IF i were a thread composition nazi, this one would be hauled out to the street and shot.
2 posted on 04/23/2013 3:51:44 PM PDT by tomkat
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To: njslim

This could become a classic!


3 posted on 04/23/2013 3:53:53 PM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Universal Background Check -> Registration -> Confiscation -> Oppression -> Extermination)
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To: tomkat

Hope no one is taking pictures with there phone!


4 posted on 04/23/2013 3:56:52 PM PDT by justrepublican (Screaming a "Vexatious requester" at a Wellstone memorial...........)
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To: justrepublican

Never no what peple are doing out their, do ya ?


5 posted on 04/23/2013 3:58:55 PM PDT by tomkat
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To: njslim

Given how union members shoot, they should be totally screwed.


6 posted on 04/23/2013 3:59:17 PM PDT by NoLibZone (None here can be puzzled by why Jews walked into the cars so quietly- we are walking up the planks.)
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To: NoLibZone

You just wet your thumb and hold it up and see if it gets blown off!


7 posted on 04/23/2013 4:01:49 PM PDT by Conserev1 ("Still Clinging to my Bible and my Weapon")
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To: njslim

My take-away from this - Unless you can get 1 mile away easily and quickly, you might as well stay and film the action, because hiding behind the walls of your house won’t protect you at all.


8 posted on 04/23/2013 4:01:55 PM PDT by PGR88
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To: Mushroom Gravy

So - gun fights are not spectator sports?

Really?


9 posted on 04/23/2013 4:03:55 PM PDT by GladesGuru (uences, Ja!)
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To: PGR88

Well, you could always do what the rabbits and snakes do - get flat. Minimize the target.


10 posted on 04/23/2013 4:04:10 PM PDT by elkfersupper ( Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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To: njslim

Years ago, some friends of ours were hosting a teenage girl from Bosnia. They picked her up at the airport on Saturday. The next morning the local news showed the implosion of an old multi-story department store downtown. The Bosnian girl looked around the room and said, “Why would you destroy a perfectly good building. There aren’t even any bullet holes.”


11 posted on 04/23/2013 4:04:28 PM PDT by OrioleFan (Republicans believe every day is July 4th, Democrats believe every day is April 15th.)
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To: PGR88

When the company I work for went through one of it’s “cheapness spasms” and quit letting us stay at decent hotels I ended up in a roach trap near the Oakland Airport. There was so much gunfire I slept in the bathtub with the mattress over the top.


12 posted on 04/23/2013 4:04:32 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: njslim

Throw water balloons, distract em so those “marksmen” with 30 round magazines can unload some more lead.


13 posted on 04/23/2013 4:06:36 PM PDT by wxgesr (I want to be the first person to surf on another planet (Uranus)
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To: PGR88
hiding behind the walls of your house won’t protect you at all.

Mine's brick. Does that apply for those also?

14 posted on 04/23/2013 4:07:54 PM PDT by nascarnation (Baraq's economic policy: trickle up poverty)
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To: njslim

The police had no problem dragging them out of their houses and conducting illegal searches.


15 posted on 04/23/2013 4:09:35 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Inside every liberal and WOD defender is a totalitarian screaming to get out.)
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To: njslim

IR cameras would do the trick. They see through boats.


16 posted on 04/23/2013 4:11:07 PM PDT by Zuben Elgenubi
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To: PGR88

Here in hurricane country most of the houses are block. I’m pretty confident I’ll be safe inside.


17 posted on 04/23/2013 4:11:23 PM PDT by GatorGirl (Who is John Galt?)
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To: njslim
My son is a director of documentary films and has been in some dangerous situations such as the war in Bosnia and was kidnapped in an African country and only escaped by a UN helicopter coming in to rescue him and many other dangerous situations.

His evaluation now of knowing when to retreat out of a dangerous situation is this: He said he came to the realization that people would watch a film he was risking his life to get, then they would go to the kitchen and get something to eat or go to the bathroom. He decided his life was worth more than that so no more life risking for film.

18 posted on 04/23/2013 4:16:05 PM PDT by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. Going Galt is freedom.)
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To: Marcella; OrioleFan
Excellent stories, the both of ya .. thanks !
19 posted on 04/23/2013 4:23:11 PM PDT by tomkat
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To: njslim
Turns out, there's no good explanation other than dumb luck, because according to the laws of physics, they should be totally screwed.
Why? After a (reported) 200 round firefight the only one killed was dragged to death by his brother with a car...

Pretty pathetic display of law enforcement if you ask me.

20 posted on 04/23/2013 4:23:56 PM PDT by lewislynn ( We bet on the black, it came up red.)
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To: Zuben Elgenubi
IR cameras would do the trick. They see through boats.

They see thru tarpaulins.

21 posted on 04/23/2013 4:25:35 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: PGR88

Aside from the observation that police miss their intended targets 80% of time, this article is pretty stupid. He implores you to stay inside your house, but then goes on to say that your house walls offer you little protection. Dumb, dumb, dumb. Some cover is better than no cover depending on the type of cover, angle of impact of projectile, and discounting any weird shrapnel effects that could result. Really, this article has no reason to be in “Popular Science”. I was hoping for some detailed information about ballistics and its penetration capabilities through various types of building materials or something like that. Instead, he makes a bunch of contradictory assertions why you should do one thing, but doing that one thing really won’t result in a better outcome for you.

If you want to some useful information, you can view these USMC penetration tests.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lprGoEpDXJQ


22 posted on 04/23/2013 4:26:18 PM PDT by 3Fingas (Sons and Daughters of Freedom, Committee of Correspondence)
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To: GatorGirl
Here in hurricane country most of the houses are block. I’m pretty confident I’ll be safe inside.

Not really. You should take cover (very flat) and shield yourself. Standard rounds will pass through block.
23 posted on 04/23/2013 4:28:11 PM PDT by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the Occupation Media.)
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To: njslim

Prepare... practice... engage if necessary. Nope... I don’t see “quivering on the floor inside a modern American dwelling” in this manual. ;-)

LLS


24 posted on 04/23/2013 4:28:46 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!)
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To: njslim

I say the safest place to be when a bunch of LEO stormtroopers decide to unload is a medium sized boat.


25 posted on 04/23/2013 4:28:53 PM PDT by NY.SS-Bar9 (Those that vote for a living outnumber those that work for one.)
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To: nascarnation
Mine's brick. Does that apply for those also?

High capacity cop-killer clips go right through brick.

26 posted on 04/23/2013 4:29:01 PM PDT by 101stAirborneVet
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To: 101stAirborneVet

FWIW the Canadians have done some interesting tests on exactly this topic:

http://www.claybrick.ca/pdf/cmri_bulletproof_project.pdf


27 posted on 04/23/2013 4:36:52 PM PDT by nascarnation (Baraq's economic policy: trickle up poverty)
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To: 101stAirborneVet

I refer you to the youtube link I posted earlier in thread.

In short, for the .556 bullet (AR), it will penetrate most brick wall head on, but won’t penetrate most from a 45 degree angle.

However, the AK 7.62X39 will go through most brick from any angle.


28 posted on 04/23/2013 4:37:39 PM PDT by 3Fingas (Sons and Daughters of Freedom, Committee of Correspondence)
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To: nascarnation

It could. Depends on caliber, distance, and number of rounds. But go out and whack a brick with a ball peen hammer (safety glasses, please) and see what happens.


29 posted on 04/23/2013 4:42:10 PM PDT by Trod Upon (Every penny given to film and TV media companies goes right into enemy coffers. Starve them out!)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
I have seen M193 .556 NATO 55gr fmj rounds punch right through 3/8 inch thick steel plate. Not AR500 plate but regular steel plate used in construction. I believe this round came into use around 1964. This was the type of ammo used in Vietnam.

The current Military round used to replace M193 is M855 .556 NATO 62gr SS109. This round has better penetration when compared to M193. I believe NATO adopted this round in 1977. M193 is used by "some" LE and "some" foreign military units.

The last place that I want to be when a firefight is raging is behind a layer of brick, vapor barrier, insulation, sheetrock and paint. Now sand filled walls or armored plate in the walls... you should be good to go.

LLS

30 posted on 04/23/2013 4:50:33 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!)
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To: OrioleFan

LOL


31 posted on 04/23/2013 4:52:33 PM PDT by ConservativeMan55
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To: 3Fingas
I was hoping for some detailed information about ballistics and its penetration capabilities through various types of building materials or something like that. Instead, he makes a bunch of contradictory assertions why you should do one thing, but doing that one thing really won’t result in a better outcome for you.

My understanding is that anything that reduces the energy of the bullet will reduce its harmful effects when it hits flesh or bone. Window glass isn't one of those things, unless it's inch-thick window glass.

32 posted on 04/23/2013 5:09:34 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Tijeras_Slim

When my oldest son moved back to Utah from Oakland, he complained about it being too quiet ... apparently it was hard for him to get to sleep without the all night screaming crack heads, sirens, and gunfire.


33 posted on 04/23/2013 5:11:39 PM PDT by glock rocks (No, the game never ends, when your whole world depends, on the turn of a friendy card.)
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To: Tijeras_Slim

I had a very similar experience about 20 years ago at the Oakland Airport Motel 6.

Only Motel 6 I’ve ever seen with 12’ chain link fence with razor wire around the property and armed guards on the gatehouse.

Very odd experience.


34 posted on 04/23/2013 5:12:53 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: tomkat

Got something against Popular Scuence, do ya?


35 posted on 04/23/2013 5:14:04 PM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: okie01
They see thru tarpaulins.

No they don't.

All they can "see" is the surface temperature of the tarp itself, which can of course be affected by what's behind it.

But depending on the ambient temperature around the boat, you might not be able to see any indication at all someone is inside.

36 posted on 04/23/2013 5:16:07 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: NY.SS-Bar9

Or a Toyota Takoma!


37 posted on 04/23/2013 5:19:51 PM PDT by glock rocks (No, the game never ends, when your whole world depends, on the turn of a friendy card.)
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To: wxgesr

Did I read correctly today that during the gun battle on Friday night that the Boston Islamist muzzies had only one “real” gun and a pellet gun between them? And Boston’s finest still allowed one to get away?
Maybe the New York law of limited capacity mags also applies in MA?/S
Why do we not here about the guns used?


38 posted on 04/23/2013 5:24:24 PM PDT by 9422WMR
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To: Sherman Logan
All they can "see" is the surface temperature of the tarp itself, which can of course be affected by what's behind it.

The boat in Watertown was covered with shrink wrap white plastic, not a normal poly tarp. Based on the FLIR images released from the police helicopter it looks like the plastic film was pretty much transparent at the IR wavelengths being sensed by the FLIR device. Image quality of structures within the boat looks much better than would be possible from re-radiated energy from an opaque surface.

You are correct of course for a cover which is opaque at the sensing wavelength.

39 posted on 04/23/2013 5:24:31 PM PDT by freeandfreezing
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To: Larry Lucido
Its good to be as mopen inded as pocible when outdoor

oy vey

40 posted on 04/23/2013 5:25:37 PM PDT by tomkat (curmudgeons gonna curmudge)
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To: Tijeras_Slim
I ended up in a roach trap near the Oakland Airport. There was so much gunfire I slept in the bathtub with the mattress over the top.

LOL

41 posted on 04/23/2013 5:25:48 PM PDT by VRW Conspirator (Cyprus - the beginning)
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To: freeandfreezing

Thanks for the info. For some reason I was assuming the tarp was cotton or a similar fabric.

You are quite right. Most IR cameras will see right through plastic, even heavy black plastic. OTOH, glass generally acts as a mirror.


42 posted on 04/23/2013 5:30:03 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: 101stAirborneVet

An honest evaluation of things-Enlightening concerning cover vs concealementt

http://www.theboxotruth.com/


43 posted on 04/23/2013 5:31:58 PM PDT by 5Madman2 (There is no such thing as an experienced suicide bomber)
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To: Zhang Fei

That’s true.


44 posted on 04/23/2013 5:33:22 PM PDT by 3Fingas (Sons and Daughters of Freedom, Committee of Correspondence)
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To: Tijeras_Slim

I would hope that it was old and extra heavy cast iron tub.
Not a new fiberglass or plastic one.


45 posted on 04/23/2013 5:34:42 PM PDT by DUMBGRUNT (The best is the enemy of the good!)
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To: 9422WMR

The only thing I read or heard about their weapons was that they killed the MIT officer in order to get more weapons.


46 posted on 04/23/2013 5:36:38 PM PDT by wxgesr (I want to be the first person to surf on another planet (Uranus)
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To: Sherman Logan

I had a friend come visit me in Atlanta once.
He stayed in a motel on the wrong side of town.
He only stayed one night then went back home.
He said he knew it was the wrong place to stay
when he saw the check in desk was behind two inch
thick plexiglass...


47 posted on 04/23/2013 5:37:41 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: 9422WMR

Here, here, hear! That’s for the spelling Nazis!


48 posted on 04/23/2013 5:45:37 PM PDT by 9422WMR
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To: LibLieSlayer
Not AR500 plate but regular steel plate used in construction.

You get bonus points for knowing what abrasion resistant steel plate is.

49 posted on 04/23/2013 5:54:27 PM PDT by Last Dakotan
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To: 101stAirborneVet
High capacity cop-killer clips go right through brick.

Clips, magazines, or rounds?????

You didn't just call them "clips" did you?????

50 posted on 04/23/2013 5:56:47 PM PDT by Sarajevo (Don't think for a minute that this excuse for a President has America's best interest in mind.)
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