Skip to comments.For God's Sake, Stay Inside During A Gun Fight
Posted on 04/23/2013 3:47:37 PM PDT by njslim
Ever wonder why the people taking cell phone videos of gunfights aren't themselves hit by bullets? Turns out, there's no good explanation other than dumb luck, because according to the laws of physics, they should be totally screwed.
This could become a classic!
Hope no one is taking pictures with there phone!
Never no what peple are doing out their, do ya ?
Given how union members shoot, they should be totally screwed.
You just wet your thumb and hold it up and see if it gets blown off!
My take-away from this - Unless you can get 1 mile away easily and quickly, you might as well stay and film the action, because hiding behind the walls of your house won’t protect you at all.
So - gun fights are not spectator sports?
Well, you could always do what the rabbits and snakes do - get flat. Minimize the target.
Years ago, some friends of ours were hosting a teenage girl from Bosnia. They picked her up at the airport on Saturday. The next morning the local news showed the implosion of an old multi-story department store downtown. The Bosnian girl looked around the room and said, “Why would you destroy a perfectly good building. There aren’t even any bullet holes.”
When the company I work for went through one of it’s “cheapness spasms” and quit letting us stay at decent hotels I ended up in a roach trap near the Oakland Airport. There was so much gunfire I slept in the bathtub with the mattress over the top.
Throw water balloons, distract em so those “marksmen” with 30 round magazines can unload some more lead.
Mine's brick. Does that apply for those also?
The police had no problem dragging them out of their houses and conducting illegal searches.
IR cameras would do the trick. They see through boats.
Here in hurricane country most of the houses are block. I’m pretty confident I’ll be safe inside.
His evaluation now of knowing when to retreat out of a dangerous situation is this: He said he came to the realization that people would watch a film he was risking his life to get, then they would go to the kitchen and get something to eat or go to the bathroom. He decided his life was worth more than that so no more life risking for film.
Turns out, there's no good explanation other than dumb luck, because according to the laws of physics, they should be totally screwed.Why? After a (reported) 200 round firefight the only one killed was dragged to death by his brother with a car...
Pretty pathetic display of law enforcement if you ask me.
They see thru tarpaulins.
Aside from the observation that police miss their intended targets 80% of time, this article is pretty stupid. He implores you to stay inside your house, but then goes on to say that your house walls offer you little protection. Dumb, dumb, dumb. Some cover is better than no cover depending on the type of cover, angle of impact of projectile, and discounting any weird shrapnel effects that could result. Really, this article has no reason to be in “Popular Science”. I was hoping for some detailed information about ballistics and its penetration capabilities through various types of building materials or something like that. Instead, he makes a bunch of contradictory assertions why you should do one thing, but doing that one thing really won’t result in a better outcome for you.
If you want to some useful information, you can view these USMC penetration tests.
Prepare... practice... engage if necessary. Nope... I don’t see “quivering on the floor inside a modern American dwelling” in this manual. ;-)
I say the safest place to be when a bunch of LEO stormtroopers decide to unload is a medium sized boat.
High capacity cop-killer clips go right through brick.
FWIW the Canadians have done some interesting tests on exactly this topic:
I refer you to the youtube link I posted earlier in thread.
In short, for the .556 bullet (AR), it will penetrate most brick wall head on, but won’t penetrate most from a 45 degree angle.
However, the AK 7.62X39 will go through most brick from any angle.
It could. Depends on caliber, distance, and number of rounds. But go out and whack a brick with a ball peen hammer (safety glasses, please) and see what happens.
The current Military round used to replace M193 is M855 .556 NATO 62gr SS109. This round has better penetration when compared to M193. I believe NATO adopted this round in 1977. M193 is used by "some" LE and "some" foreign military units.
The last place that I want to be when a firefight is raging is behind a layer of brick, vapor barrier, insulation, sheetrock and paint. Now sand filled walls or armored plate in the walls... you should be good to go.
My understanding is that anything that reduces the energy of the bullet will reduce its harmful effects when it hits flesh or bone. Window glass isn't one of those things, unless it's inch-thick window glass.
When my oldest son moved back to Utah from Oakland, he complained about it being too quiet ... apparently it was hard for him to get to sleep without the all night screaming crack heads, sirens, and gunfire.
I had a very similar experience about 20 years ago at the Oakland Airport Motel 6.
Only Motel 6 I’ve ever seen with 12’ chain link fence with razor wire around the property and armed guards on the gatehouse.
Very odd experience.
Got something against Popular Scuence, do ya?
No they don't.
All they can "see" is the surface temperature of the tarp itself, which can of course be affected by what's behind it.
But depending on the ambient temperature around the boat, you might not be able to see any indication at all someone is inside.
Or a Toyota Takoma!
Did I read correctly today that during the gun battle on Friday night that the Boston Islamist muzzies had only one “real” gun and a pellet gun between them? And Boston’s finest still allowed one to get away?
Maybe the New York law of limited capacity mags also applies in MA?/S
Why do we not here about the guns used?
The boat in Watertown was covered with shrink wrap white plastic, not a normal poly tarp. Based on the FLIR images released from the police helicopter it looks like the plastic film was pretty much transparent at the IR wavelengths being sensed by the FLIR device. Image quality of structures within the boat looks much better than would be possible from re-radiated energy from an opaque surface.
You are correct of course for a cover which is opaque at the sensing wavelength.
Thanks for the info. For some reason I was assuming the tarp was cotton or a similar fabric.
You are quite right. Most IR cameras will see right through plastic, even heavy black plastic. OTOH, glass generally acts as a mirror.
An honest evaluation of things-Enlightening concerning cover vs concealementt
I would hope that it was old and extra heavy cast iron tub.
Not a new fiberglass or plastic one.
The only thing I read or heard about their weapons was that they killed the MIT officer in order to get more weapons.
I had a friend come visit me in Atlanta once.
He stayed in a motel on the wrong side of town.
He only stayed one night then went back home.
He said he knew it was the wrong place to stay
when he saw the check in desk was behind two inch
Here, here, hear! That’s for the spelling Nazis!
You get bonus points for knowing what abrasion resistant steel plate is.
Clips, magazines, or rounds?????
You didn't just call them "clips" did you?????