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Chinese army helicopters violated Indian airspace: sources
NDTV.com ^ | Tuesday, April 23, 2013 | Reported by Nitin A Gokhale; Edited by Sindhu Manjesh

Posted on 04/23/2013 9:58:14 PM PDT by Jyotishi

Leh: India today said that it hopes to use agreements with China to "resolve peacefully" the stand-off in Ladakh, where New Delhi says soldiers from the People's Liberation Army have set up camp in Indian territory. "We have asked the Chinese side to maintain the status quo in this sector" said Syed Akbaruddin, spokesperson for the Foreign Affairs Ministry. "By this I mean the status quo prior to this incident," he said.

Here are 10 big developments in this story:

1. India and China held a second flag meeting today to discuss a stand-off over nearly a dozen Chinese soldiers who have set up a remote camp some 10 km (6 miles) inside territory claimed by India in Ladakh. Details of what transpired at the meeting are awaited.

2. Indian government officials have confirmed that on the night of April 15, two helicopters gave support to the Chinese as they set up temporary posts on the Indian side of the disputed border.

3. China has denied that its troops have crossed into Indian territory. "Our troops are patrolling on the Chinese side of the actual line of control and have never trespassed the line," said Foreign Ministry spokesperson Hua Chunying yesterday.

4. The de facto border separating China and India is known as the Line of Actual Control (LAC). While it has never been formally demarcated, the countries signed two accords to maintain peace in frontier areas in 1993 and 1996.

5. Military commanders at the Brigadier level from the two sides had met last week, but failed to break the deadlock.

6. Till yesterday, China had not agreed to India's request for a second flag meeting, citing the non-availability of their senior officers, sources said.

7. Yesterday, Defence Minister AK Antony said, "India will take every step to protect its interests." The Indian army has set up its own temporary camp just 500 meters (1600 feet) from the Chinese People's Liberation Army (PLA) soldiers after the incident on April 15

8. Though small incursions across the Line of Actual Control are common, it is rare for either country to set up camp so deep.

9. The assessment in the Indian government is that the Chinese will eventually withdraw but could use this "occupation" to lay claims to the area at a later stage of border negotiations.

10. The latest incident took place at Daulat Beg Oldie, where India established a landing strip during the 1962 war. At 5,100 meters (16,700 feet), the strip is one of the world's highest. It was reopened in 2008.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: china; india; military; pla; war

1 posted on 04/23/2013 9:58:14 PM PDT by Jyotishi
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To: Jyotishi

The interesting thing to me is that the Chinese helicopters can operate at that altitude.
Ladakh is the top of the world.


2 posted on 04/23/2013 10:01:41 PM PDT by mylife (Opinions $1, Half Baked 50c)
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To: mylife

Nothing like China provoking both Japan and India (to say nothing of Vietnam) in border disputes...

Who’s running their foreign office?


3 posted on 04/23/2013 10:06:13 PM PDT by CondorFlight (I)
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To: Jyotishi

I have suspected that China is arming Pakistan for a long time.


4 posted on 04/23/2013 10:07:38 PM PDT by mylife (Opinions $1, Half Baked 50c)
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To: Jyotishi

The tentacles of the Chinese are reaching further and further.


5 posted on 04/23/2013 10:07:45 PM PDT by doc1019 (There is absolutely no difference between pro-choice and pro-abortion.)
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To: mylife

9,800 feet. Did China steal helicopter technology from the U.S.?


6 posted on 04/23/2013 10:08:35 PM PDT by Jyotishi (Seeking the truth, a fact at a time.)
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To: CondorFlight

China has been mucking with India for a long time.

Oops! Did we build some roads into Bhutan or Andhra Pradesh and claim it as ours?

So Solly..


7 posted on 04/23/2013 10:10:14 PM PDT by mylife (Opinions $1, Half Baked 50c)
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To: Jyotishi

Try 16k-18K feet.


8 posted on 04/23/2013 10:11:51 PM PDT by mylife (Opinions $1, Half Baked 50c)
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To: Jyotishi

Leh sits at almost 12K ft


9 posted on 04/23/2013 10:12:33 PM PDT by mylife (Opinions $1, Half Baked 50c)
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To: Jyotishi

10 posted on 04/23/2013 10:17:48 PM PDT by mylife (Opinions $1, Half Baked 50c)
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To: mylife

> Try 16k-18K feet.

Thanks, but that can’t be right because I got my info from Wikipedia! /sarc.


11 posted on 04/23/2013 10:22:18 PM PDT by Jyotishi (Seeking the truth, a fact at a time.)
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To: mylife

Great pic. They ought to hold motorcross up there.


12 posted on 04/23/2013 10:24:53 PM PDT by Jyotishi (Seeking the truth, a fact at a time.)
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To: Jyotishi

It depends on where in the Ladakh range they were.
Leh is like 12k ft.
Kardung La is 18K ft


13 posted on 04/23/2013 10:31:38 PM PDT by mylife (Opinions $1, Half Baked 50c)
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To: mylife

High-Altitude Helicopter Rescue Sets Record
http://www.wired.com/autopia/2011/05/record-setting-high-altitude-helicopter-rescue-in-alaska/

Flying airliners at altitudes of 35,000 feet is routine. But helicopters, with their relatively small rotary wings, struggle in thin air. Hermansky was flying a Eurocopter AS350 B3, commonly known as an “AStar.” The same model made headlines several years ago when a test pilot briefly touched down on the summit of Mt. Everest.


14 posted on 04/23/2013 10:31:43 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (I’m not a Republican, I’m a conservative! Pubbies haven't been conservative since before T.R.)
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To: Jyotishi

Most folks are just lucky to make it up there.


15 posted on 04/23/2013 10:32:17 PM PDT by mylife (Opinions $1, Half Baked 50c)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

That is amazing.
I know guys that flew choppers in Afghanistan.

I would not want to be on board even if there was no shooting.


16 posted on 04/23/2013 10:33:55 PM PDT by mylife (Opinions $1, Half Baked 50c)
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To: Jyotishi

GIVING EVEREST THE BIRD
The arrival of high-altitude helicopters on Mount ­Everest and other Nepalese peaks has transformed search-and-­rescue and saved lives. But the choppers have also ­added to the chaos at the top of the world—and introduced a deadly new brand of danger.
http://www.outsideonline.com/outdoor-adventure/climbing/mountaineering/Giving-Everest-the-Bird.html


17 posted on 04/23/2013 10:34:24 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (I’m not a Republican, I’m a conservative! Pubbies haven't been conservative since before T.R.)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

I bet he had zero payload and struggled.


18 posted on 04/23/2013 10:34:54 PM PDT by mylife (Opinions $1, Half Baked 50c)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

Helicopter on Everest makes History
http://www.greatoutdoors.com/published/helicopter-on-everest-makes-history


19 posted on 04/23/2013 10:35:50 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (I’m not a Republican, I’m a conservative! Pubbies haven't been conservative since before T.R.)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

Amazing.


20 posted on 04/23/2013 10:36:07 PM PDT by mylife (Opinions $1, Half Baked 50c)
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To: mylife

I’m sure his margins for error were very, very narrow.


21 posted on 04/23/2013 10:36:17 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (I’m not a Republican, I’m a conservative! Pubbies haven't been conservative since before T.R.)
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To: mylife

I didn’t even know they could go that high until I checked.


22 posted on 04/23/2013 10:36:59 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (I’m not a Republican, I’m a conservative! Pubbies haven't been conservative since before T.R.)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

Very narrow.


23 posted on 04/23/2013 10:37:20 PM PDT by mylife (Opinions $1, Half Baked 50c)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

I didn’t think it was possible, It certainly is not feasible.


24 posted on 04/23/2013 10:38:17 PM PDT by mylife (Opinions $1, Half Baked 50c)
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To: mylife

India’s new Dhruv helicopter is capable of ferrying troops and supplies up to Siachen, and it’s domestically-developed. China’s got more mature aircraft development capabilities, so high-altitude stuff is probably more within their reach. In any case, most of the Leh/Ladakh area is well within the ceiling of most military helicopters, though they’d have to fly between peaks to get in there.


25 posted on 04/23/2013 11:05:53 PM PDT by Little Pig (Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici.)
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To: Jyotishi
known as the Line of Actual Control (LAC).

LOC - line of control

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Apddqw6Ks4g

26 posted on 04/23/2013 11:07:40 PM PDT by verklaring (Pyrite is not gold))
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To: verklaring

Yes there’s LOC and then there’s LAC:

The Line of Actual Control (LAC)(also known as the MacCartney-MacDonald Line) is the effective border between India and People’s Republic of China (PRC). The LAC is 4,057-km long and traverses three areas of northern Indian states: western (Ladakh, Kashmir), middle (Uttarakhand, Himachal) and eastern (Sikkim, Arunachal).[1] Chinese Prime Minister Zhou Enlai first used the phrase in a letter addressed to Indian Prime Minister Nehru dated 24 October 1959.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Line_of_Actual_Control


27 posted on 04/23/2013 11:11:17 PM PDT by Jyotishi (Seeking the truth, a fact at a time.)
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To: Little Pig

Mountain passes are wind tunnels.


28 posted on 04/23/2013 11:19:23 PM PDT by mylife (Opinions $1, Half Baked 50c)
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To: Jyotishi

Since long before Tibet, the Chinese have demonstrated they consider occupation tantamount to ownership.

Good luck, India.


29 posted on 04/24/2013 2:01:02 AM PDT by Jack Hammer (American)
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To: Jyotishi

One Ghurka could resolve it quickly.


30 posted on 04/24/2013 4:51:52 AM PDT by Biff55 (If you run too far from the Alliance you end up in Reaver territory.)
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To: mylife

You have “suspected”?


31 posted on 04/24/2013 9:51:27 AM PDT by ravager (I)
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