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NRA T-Shirt Is Back in School, in Multiple Copies
The Volokh Conspiracy ^ | 23 April, 2013 | Eugene Volokh

Posted on 04/24/2013 2:05:26 AM PDT by marktwain

Several readers had e-mailed me about the story of a 14-year-old who was apparently told that he couldn’t wear an NRA T-shirt (which depicted a rifle), and then arrested when the dispute escalated. Yesterday, he was apparently back in school (see ABC News and Washington Times) wearing the shirt, and many classmates are wearing the shirt, too. From the Washington Times account:

Jared Marcum, 14, was joined by about 100 other students across Logan County who wore shirts with a similar gun rights theme in a show of support for free speech.

Ben White, the Charleston lawyer representing the Logan eighth-grader, said the Sons of the Second Amendment, a gun rights group, purchased and distributed the shirts....

Marcum’s lawyer is quoted as saying that the charges would be dropped. The arrest apparently stemmed not from the T-shirt wearing as such, but from the behavior at the dispute that arose as a result; there is disagreement about who was at fault for that behavior:

Video evidence in the case, Mr. White said, indicates that the situation in the cafeteria deteriorated when a teacher raised his voice while confronting Jared. Other students jumped up on benches and began chanting Jared’s name.

“I think the disruption came from the teacher,” Mr. White said.

A police officer arrested Jared after he was sent to the school office and again refused to remove the shirt.

Mr. White said Jared was arrested on two charges of disrupting the educational process and obstructing an officer ....

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Tennessee
KEYWORDS: banglist; dresscodes; freespeech; guncontrol; nra; school; secondamendment; tn; tshirt
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1 posted on 04/24/2013 2:05:26 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

I use to wear an NRA T-shirt when I was in college. I never got any flack about it, but then again that was in the 1980s in a private university in a southern state.


2 posted on 04/24/2013 2:07:40 AM PDT by MachIV
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To: MachIV

wonder if this could grow. I’d but an NRA shirt if I knew where to buy one. A couple for the grand kids to wear to school too!


3 posted on 04/24/2013 2:16:20 AM PDT by Principled
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To: marktwain

More people need to but won’t get arrested for breaking the left’s ‘laws’.

The left does crap like this KNOWING people will mostly comply rather than having a record and going through the costs of a court case. Even if that record is expunged and all charges dropped.

1 in 10000 or ledd ever will go through with it.

Which the left has 9999 new points of compliance with their agenda. Apply this math to every aspect of their Orwellian agenda. Abortion, race, homosexuals, Muslims et all..

Then reel in the horror of how fast and how easy people throw away their right to free speech.


4 posted on 04/24/2013 2:16:49 AM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: marktwain

Kid has more balls than most adults.


5 posted on 04/24/2013 2:17:38 AM PDT by culpeper (I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny... TJ)
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To: Norm Lenhart

Edit “ledd” = “Less”


6 posted on 04/24/2013 2:17:49 AM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: Norm Lenhart

I knew what you meant. I can spell but I can’t tupe. I mean type.


7 posted on 04/24/2013 2:24:15 AM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (I voted Republican, no Conservative was on the ballot.)
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To: marktwain
See this just proves that my parents were terrible horrible people. They taught us that if a person in authority (teacher, supervisor, police officer, etc....) tells you to do something; you do it. Even if you disagree with it you can complain about it later, but you won't be suspended, written up for insubordination, or get your @$$ thrown in jail for resisting arrest or disorderly conduct. You can always file a complaint later.
8 posted on 04/24/2013 2:26:50 AM PDT by verga (A nation divided by Zero!)
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To: verga

What do you tell the kids about dealing with authority figures who overstep their authority?


9 posted on 04/24/2013 2:36:43 AM PDT by HomeAtLast
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To: Principled

“wonder if this could grow. I’d but an NRA shirt if I knew where to buy one. A couple for the grand kids to wear to school too!”http://www.nrastore.com/nrastore/products.aspx?c=12


10 posted on 04/24/2013 2:42:41 AM PDT by Truth29
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To: verga

You can always file a complaint later. Tell that to the Jews.


11 posted on 04/24/2013 2:52:59 AM PDT by CalvaryJohn (What is keeping that damned asteroid?)
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To: Truth29

thanks 29 -

no “scary assault rifles” on those tho!

I like 27 words


12 posted on 04/24/2013 2:54:19 AM PDT by Principled
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To: marktwain

If these kids want to have a future; they had better learn to stand up to leftist commies NOW!


13 posted on 04/24/2013 2:56:14 AM PDT by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: marktwain

The problem here is that the kid now has an arrest on his record.

Even if the charges are dropped, and the arrest expunged, there are a lot of jobs where he’ll still have to reveal that he was arrested and explain why. Like if he eventually chooses to try to become a military officer (as he currently wants to). Older Freepers will recall how an expunged juvie arrest record was used to mess with Linda Tripp’s security clearance during the Monica Lewinkski scandal.

This is going to follow the kid for the rest of his life, and WILL impact his ability to become and have a career with any sort of a security clearance (if the arrest record is the only difference between him and another equally rated/qualified person for a single open position)

The teacher, the school and the cops need to pay through the nose for this one. I hope the kid has a good lawyer.


14 posted on 04/24/2013 3:05:03 AM PDT by tanknetter
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To: verga

Teachers are mini dictators.


15 posted on 04/24/2013 3:12:34 AM PDT by kevslisababy
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To: kevslisababy

And the LEO have too much power, obstructing an officer , such a BS charge, considering they actually have zero power to do anything, let alone arrest anyone.


16 posted on 04/24/2013 3:21:31 AM PDT by SERE_DOC ( “The beauty of the Second Amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it.” TJ.)
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To: Principled

The NRA store

http://www.nrastore.com/nrastore/ProductDetail.aspx?p=CT+453&ct=e


17 posted on 04/24/2013 3:24:48 AM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: Principled
NRA Store
18 posted on 04/24/2013 3:26:01 AM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight,, he'll just kill you.)
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To: verga

Your parents were sheeple. The Left loves sheeple, who don’t stick their bowed heads above the crowd. The complaint filed after complying to orders is thrown in the nearest shredde,r and the overlords remain in power.

Thank God for the Founders, who had a different view and the courage to stand up for liberty.


19 posted on 04/24/2013 3:31:38 AM PDT by txrefugee
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To: verga
See this just proves that my parents were terrible horrible people. They taught us that if a person in authority (teacher, supervisor, police officer, etc....) tells you to do something; you do it. Even if you disagree with it you can complain about it later, but you won't be suspended, written up for insubordination, or get your @$$ thrown in jail for resisting arrest or disorderly conduct. You can always file a complaint later.

That was the way it was in my house when I was in (public) schools in the 1950s and '60s. But that was then, when the schools were run by (mostly) dedicated and intelligent professionals, and this is now, when the schools are run by blithering idiots (and the teachers are morons, too).

Things drastically changed between 1965 when I graduated from high school and 1986 when my oldest child entered school. I suspect that they are even worse now.

20 posted on 04/24/2013 3:55:24 AM PDT by rmh47 (Go Kats! - Got eight? NRA Life Member])
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To: marktwain
Good for his buddies backing him up during the confrontation.

And now more support. Hopefully we see more rebellion on Leftists’ strangle hold on our young.

21 posted on 04/24/2013 3:57:16 AM PDT by Sir Napsalot (Pravda + Useful Idiots = CCCP; JournOList + Useful Idiots = DopeyChangey!)
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To: verga
You can always file a complaint later.

Not always


22 posted on 04/24/2013 4:03:08 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: marktwain
Sue them for every penny and run them into california where they belong. Freedom isn't free and these leftists will learn this wisdom... up-close and personal. Destroy their lives... communist vermin ALL!

LLS

23 posted on 04/24/2013 4:25:01 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!)
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To: tanknetter

Let that be a lesson for parents. You are really taking a chance when you send your kids to public schools that have no compunction about having them falsely arrested.


24 posted on 04/24/2013 4:27:40 AM PDT by goldi
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To: tanknetter
The teacher, the school and the cops need to pay through the nose for this one.

Bingo. The State dropped a hammer on this kid by arresting him for a simple school dispute. Now the kid and his family must punch back 10 times as hard with a lawsuit against the cop and the school; human rights violations, abridgment of personal freedoms, false arrest, you name it. These statists must pay and learn to think twice before using the State as a weapon against the people.

25 posted on 04/24/2013 4:45:47 AM PDT by Flick Lives (We're going to be just like the old Soviet Union, but with free cell phones!)
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To: HomeAtLast

“What do you tell the kids about dealing with authority figures who overstep their authority?”

I told my children, “Choose your battles wisely.” “Always learn the motivations of your opponent and also their prospective enemies. It is far better to rattle the hornets nest next to a person and walk away than to do direct battle with them. If they have an enemy bigger than you, wake that enemy up and consider becoming friends with that enemy.”

Thus when the high school teacher wrongly persecuted my son, my son became student representative on the school board and the teacher immediately changed his demeanor toward my son.

Rule number 2. Always accuse them of breaking their own rules and being hypocrites.


26 posted on 04/24/2013 4:50:11 AM PDT by tired&retired
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To: HomeAtLast
What do you tell the kids about dealing with authority figures who overstep their authority?

How do you know the teacher over stepped their authority?

You have a news article to base your entire opinion on, and we know the MSM is always accurate.

Does the school/district have a dress code that says that things like that may or may not be worn?

You don't know and are just jumping to conclusions.

27 posted on 04/24/2013 5:02:35 AM PDT by verga (A nation divided by Zero!)
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To: CalvaryJohn
You can always file a complaint later. Tell that to the Jews.

Right! When you can't express an intelligent opinion resort tot he Nazi Logical fallacy. Godwins law.

28 posted on 04/24/2013 5:04:18 AM PDT by verga (A nation divided by Zero!)
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To: marktwain
here is the long and the short of it as I see it.

I went to Catholic parochial school....we wore a uniform. the boys dark blue pants, light blue shirt, dark blue ties, dress shoes. The girls wore those catholic school skirt blouse combo things....

back in the 90 there was talk of making all students wear some sort of uniform.

I must agree for one reason....I would not want some leftist parent sending their kids in wearing Obama Hopey/changey shirts or one praising Che Guevara. shirts....

besides, it is good training for the real world for those who will have to wear business clothes daily

29 posted on 04/24/2013 5:04:29 AM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight,, he'll just kill you.)
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To: marktwain
“I think the disruption came from the teacher,” Mr. White said.

Then why wasn't the teacher and White not arrested?

A police officer arrested Jared after he was sent to the school office and again refused to remove the shirt.

Mr. White said Jared was arrested on two charges of disrupting the educational process and obstructing an officer ....

30 posted on 04/24/2013 5:06:23 AM PDT by chainsaw ("Two ways to conquer and enslave a nation. One is by the sword. The other is by Obama")
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To: rmh47

My parents taught me about those in authority, too — like if you get in trouble at school, you get in trouble at home. Of course this was in the late 30’s and 40’s. Life was very different then. The school would close for two weeks in the fall so we could help bring in the cotton crop. The schools had freedom then.


31 posted on 04/24/2013 5:08:38 AM PDT by winkadink (During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act. George Orwell)
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To: kevslisababy; rmh47; shag377; Gabz; SoftballMominVA; humblegunner
Teachers are mini dictators.

this is now, when the schools are run by blithering idiots (and the teachers are morons, too).

Actually some of us are quite intelligent and vote conservative. We are also capable of having intelligent discussions without jumping to conclusions or resorting to name calling.

32 posted on 04/24/2013 5:09:10 AM PDT by verga (A nation divided by Zero!)
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To: MachIV
I use to wear an NRA T-shirt when I was in college. I never got any flack about it, but then again that was in the 1980s in a private university in a southern state.

When I was in college, we were required to keep an M-1 in our room. Unless you were a cadet officer, then you got to keep an M-1 and a sword.

33 posted on 04/24/2013 5:11:06 AM PDT by N. Theknow (Kennedys=Can't drive, can't ski, can't fly, can't skipper a boat, but they know what's best for you.)
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To: marktwain

Good job kid - learn to oppose the tyrants now while you're young! My daughter and I have some great conversations about government tyranny now that's she's read all 3 of the Hunger Games books.

34 posted on 04/24/2013 5:16:56 AM PDT by ItsOurTimeNow ("This ain't no party, this ain't no disco, this ain't no foolin' around.")
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To: from occupied ga

What’s that sculpture? Link had “prague” in it; is that a Holocaust Victim Memorial in Europe? Never saw it before...


35 posted on 04/24/2013 5:20:17 AM PDT by carriage_hill (No one can go back and make a new start, but anyone can start from now, and make a new ending.)
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To: verga
When you can't express an intelligent opinion resort to the Nazi Logical fallacy. Godwins law.

In the instant case, a student's dress code violation led to an *arrest*. If the hobnailed boot fits...

36 posted on 04/24/2013 5:20:58 AM PDT by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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To: marktwain

Still no mention of the teacher’s name who actually caused the fuss.

There was no problem throughout the whole morning until this one [liberal] teacher decided to raise a stink.


37 posted on 04/24/2013 5:22:25 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: verga

Yes.

A police state is a safe state.


38 posted on 04/24/2013 5:25:30 AM PDT by IMR 4350
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To: Charles Martel

My understanding of this was that there was no violation of the dress code (per the lawyer and the authorities at the school), and they had to admit such.

Obviously it wasn’t a violation of the dress code as dozens showed up in the same shirt later and were not required to change or go home.

Still no mention of the teacher who actually caused the problem. The student did not cause the disturbance, the teacher did.


39 posted on 04/24/2013 5:26:31 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: marktwain

You can get arrested for disrupting the educational process???

But what if they aren’t being educated but in reality indoctrinated?

Are there laws against that?


40 posted on 04/24/2013 5:27:52 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (I’m not a Republican, I’m a conservative! Pubbies haven't been conservative since before T.R.)
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To: tired&retired

“I’ll comply with your directive because in this moment you have authority over me. However, I will be discussing this issue with my parents, and you will be discussing it with them soon, as well as possibly with their lawyer. Have a nice day.”


41 posted on 04/24/2013 5:28:51 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Principled

Just join the NRA. It’s cheap and easy and does a heap of good.


42 posted on 04/24/2013 5:31:06 AM PDT by jdsteel (Give me freedom, not more government.)
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To: carriage_hill

It is the children of Lidice, most of whom were murdered by the Nazis in 1942 as retaliation for the execution of Reinhart Heydrich in Prague. I thought the link had the explanation further down the page, but it might be one of those things that goes to a different page depending on how you get there.


43 posted on 04/24/2013 5:31:27 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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44 posted on 04/24/2013 5:32:19 AM PDT by deoetdoctrinae (The Old White Flag Republicans can go straight to He// and take their pal Obama with them!)
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To: verga

You’re reading something into my post that isn’t there, so I’ll just let you deal with your own imaginary arguments.


45 posted on 04/24/2013 5:32:54 AM PDT by HomeAtLast
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To: carriage_hill

That’s probably a memorial to the town of Lidice which was eradicated by the Nazis (people and all) in retaliation I believe for the assassination of Reinhard Heydrich in 1942.


46 posted on 04/24/2013 5:33:12 AM PDT by PLMerite (Shut the Beyotch Down! Burn, baby, burn!)
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To: PLMerite; from occupied ga

Thanks; I’m learning about them now.


47 posted on 04/24/2013 5:41:27 AM PDT by carriage_hill (No one can go back and make a new start, but anyone can start from now, and make a new ending.)
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To: verga
I agree with you, and not all muslims are terrorists, but when the attention is constantly shined on one consistent characteristic of a group, the stereo type is strong.
48 posted on 04/24/2013 5:43:36 AM PDT by kevslisababy
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To: verga
My mother taught me to never start a fight, but by gosh, don't you ever run from one...Its been in the last 30 years that authority has passed the point where it is legitimate and should be obeyed at all cost...
49 posted on 04/24/2013 5:44:20 AM PDT by goat granny
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To: Principled

Their website offers promotional items for sale. Good luck navigating it though. It use to be much simplier. Now it takes a degree in HTML design just to figure out where everything is at.


50 posted on 04/24/2013 5:45:01 AM PDT by MachIV
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