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Long-Term Unemployed: Hidden and Hurt (Older workers are having a tough time)
Fox Business News ^ | 04/23/2013 | Christina Scotti

Posted on 04/24/2013 2:34:52 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

Two men named Bob. Both are over fifty. Both had been working consistently for nearly three decades before losing their jobs in 2009. Both were out of work for more than 99 weeks.

Now there is one glaring difference. Bob Greeney is employed. Bob Sullivan is still fighting to get back into the workforce.

Friendly and candid, the 61-year-old Mr. Sullivan worked in the travel hospitality industry until his former company closed its Boston branch. After taking a brief pause to care for his mother, he said he went through job agencies, attended job fairs and applied to scores of jobs online.

“Still, no bites,” said Mr. Sullivan, whose ongoing search, day in and day out, continues. “It’s just a malaise you fall into. It’s like having a slow disease, especially if you get rejected or don’t hear back.”

The battle to get back to work is indisputably grueling, and Mr. Sullivan and the other roughly 4.7 million people who have been unemployed for over six months know all too well that as each month goes by the stigma of long-term unemployment can make it increasingly more challenging to find work

“If someone is out of work for a while the perception from employers is that there must be something wrong with you, and after a couple of years the people themselves begin to believe they don’t have value, that it’s over for them,” said Joe Carbone, creator of Platform to Employment, a five-week program that focuses on retraining and placing “99ers” into eight-week internships with the possibility of that turning into a job. The term “99ers” refers to those out of work for 99 weeks or longer and whose unemployment benefits have run out.

“We don’t see bread lines. But that despair is there, it’s just behind closed doors,”

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According to the numbers, the pervasiveness of long-term unemployment cuts through all walks of life, with gender, race and education all having a relatively similar percentage among the long-term unemployed.

The only group that stands out among the long-term unemployed is older workers, with almost half of the 3.5 million currently out of work for over a year at 45 or older, according to the Department of Labor.
1 posted on 04/24/2013 2:34:52 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

We should already be rioting in the streets but Americans are trained to be docile and stupid.


2 posted on 04/24/2013 2:36:37 PM PDT by Wanderer99
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To: SeekAndFind

Raise the import tariffs and put Americans back to work.


3 posted on 04/24/2013 2:37:18 PM PDT by DannyTN
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To: DannyTN
Raise the import tariffs and put Americans back to work.

Add: Stop all immigration for 2 decades, at least; then you have plan.

4 posted on 04/24/2013 2:40:12 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: SeekAndFind

But, hey, Obama’s stopped walking on water long enough to put the economy right, all praise to Obama.

All talk of unemployment is thus rendered null and void by the magic of media indifference.


5 posted on 04/24/2013 2:40:53 PM PDT by Jack Hammer (American)
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To: SeekAndFind

>>Friendly and candid, the 61-year-old Mr. Sullivan worked in the travel hospitality industry<<

Is that code for “Travel Agent?”

That avocation has been on its way out since Orbitz came into existence.


6 posted on 04/24/2013 2:41:09 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (LBJ declared war on poverty and lost. Barack Obama declared war on prosperity and won. /csmusaret)
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To: DannyTN
Raise the import tariffs and put Americans back to work.

Yeah, and raise minimum wages along with that thought! Keep as many people poor as you can!!!


7 posted on 04/24/2013 2:41:10 PM PDT by WVKayaker ("...once a bell is rung by a biased media, it's impossible to un-ring it."-Sarah Palin 11/7/12)
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To: WVKayaker

Or continue to compete against $0.17/hr wages in communist China and blame our regs and taxes while hollering free trade and watching our industries shut down.

Oh and don’t ever mention China’s 90% tax rate, while blaming our taxes.


8 posted on 04/24/2013 2:45:30 PM PDT by DannyTN
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To: SeekAndFind
Part of this is what Labor Lawyers have done to companies. That and the cost of health insurance for older workers. And the effect of Young People in the “Personnel” Departments.

In the past managers made hiring decisions based on who can best do the job. Now it is about minimum labor cost factoring in the elements. Hence the over 55 crowd gets nailed. Nature of the beast, I can speak from experience.

And don't give me the old dated skills argument, it is largely crap.

Many if not most of the over 55 who do find work are either contract labor or work for themselves. I had to do the latter.

9 posted on 04/24/2013 2:46:13 PM PDT by Texas Fossil
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To: SeekAndFind

I am one of those “older” workers. Went on an interview about two months ago (accounting position) and was told to my face that “we don’t want anyone at the end of their career” - sounds like age discrimination, however, because I didn’t record the conversation nothing can be done about it. Also, due to “sequestration” unemployment benefits here in MA are being cut 12.8%, not sure what the cut % is in other states.


10 posted on 04/24/2013 2:46:46 PM PDT by rockabyebaby (We are sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo screwed!)
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To: Wanderer99

Article said the recession’s over and recovery has been weak. And gubmint action is required.

Whew I feel better now. /s

(see tagline)


11 posted on 04/24/2013 2:47:07 PM PDT by bicyclerepair (0bama is a POS, with all due respect to excrement.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Wonder how much a “Metro North ticket collector in New York City” pays. That’s the job Mr. Greeney got according to the article.


12 posted on 04/24/2013 2:50:21 PM PDT by fulltlt
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To: WVKayaker
Here you go WVKayaker...
What's your plan to fix 23% unemployment?
More of the same? Keep on keeping on?
Lower wages until we can compete with China's $0.17/hr wages?
Is that your plan?


13 posted on 04/24/2013 2:52:19 PM PDT by DannyTN
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To: fulltlt

SEE HERE:

http://secondavenuesagas.com/2010/06/03/a-salary-too-high-or-simply-too-many-employees/

EXCERPT:

The Empire Center’s press release offered up some good tidbits. In the $150,000-and-over club were 11 LIRR car repairmen who nearly tripled their base salary through overtime shifts. Others included:

65 Long Island Railroad and Metro-North Railroad conductors who averaged $86,837 over their base salaries which averaged $75,970;

53 Bridge & Tunnel Sergeants and Lieutenants who averaged $94,962 over the average base pay of $82,594;

34 Long Island and Metro-North Railroad engineers who averaged $89,109 over their $77,953;

28 MTA police officers; and

23 Long Island Railroad gang foremen averaging $81,718 over their base pay rate $82,249.

____________________________________

I would have to say that an MTA Ticket Collector’s salary is not bad ( It’s a Unionized position ).


14 posted on 04/24/2013 2:54:14 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: Wanderer99

RE: We should already be rioting in the streets but Americans are trained to be docile and stupid.

As long as the unemployment benefits, the food stamps, the government subsidies, disability payments etc. continue to come, there will be NO RIOTING.

Rioting starts when the money runs out as it eventually will.


15 posted on 04/24/2013 2:56:52 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: rockabyebaby
“we don’t want anyone at the end of their career”

That's when you start working temp, particularly in Accounting. Contracting pays more, but then you have to do your own 'books.' (Oh wait a minute.)

16 posted on 04/24/2013 3:03:44 PM PDT by scan59 (Seabees rule!)
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To: SeekAndFind

So 42% are men, and 41% are women. And the missing13%?


17 posted on 04/24/2013 3:05:02 PM PDT by Kozak (The Republic is dead. I do not owe what we have any loyalty, wealth or sympathy.)
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To: SeekAndFind

It’d be interesting to see those numbers including the “out-of-the-workforce” group. Maybe the 55-and-over group are just to stubborn to quit looking like Obama wants ‘em to, so they’re overrepresented in the long-term unemployed.

I’d bet 16-24 and African Americans are likely underrepresented in that chart ... because many have switched from long-term to out-of-the-workforce and living with momma.

SnakeDoc


18 posted on 04/24/2013 3:12:38 PM PDT by SnakeDoctor ("I've shot people I like more for less." -- Raylan Givens)
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To: Kozak
"So 42% are men, and 41% are women. And the missing13%?" I was about to congratulate you, Kozac, on a good catch that I missed. But then I noticed your math: 42+41=83, OK. But 100-83=17%, not 13%. Full credit for the catch though. TC
19 posted on 04/24/2013 3:14:59 PM PDT by Pentagon Leatherneck
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To: Pentagon Leatherneck; Kozak

I believe the chart is saying 42% of all unemployed men are LONG TERM unemployed. The rest of the 58% unemployed are NOT long term unemployed ( at least not yet ).

Which means that 41% of all unemployed women are LONG TERM unemployed.


20 posted on 04/24/2013 3:19:47 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: Pentagon Leatherneck

Funny, but I don’t care about any of them that didn’t vote the same way I did.


21 posted on 04/24/2013 3:21:45 PM PDT by Dr. Pritchett
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To: Pentagon Leatherneck

Oops.


22 posted on 04/24/2013 3:21:52 PM PDT by Kozak (The Republic is dead. I do not owe what we have any loyalty, wealth or sympathy.)
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To: DannyTN
We tried that once, it was called Smoot-Halley the result was FDR and the Great Depression, Jug Ears would love it...
23 posted on 04/24/2013 3:22:26 PM PDT by Rumplemeyer (The GOP should stand its ground - and fix Bayonets)
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To: scan59
That's when you start working temp, particularly in Accounting. Contracting pays more, but then you have to do your own 'books.' (Oh wait a minute.)

I've been temping for years - I started an assignment in July of 2008 and it ended in September due to lack of work - this particular job where I interviewed a couple of months ago was a "permanent" job. I contacted several temp agencies in September. When a temp job comes up several "candidates" from the agency are interviewed by the client and one is picked for the assignment. Temp jobs are few and far between, the market here is not all that good right now and temp jobs/regular jobs that used to pay good money are now paying $11.40 - $12.30 p/h. The permanent job I interviewed for was a hell of a lot more than that!

24 posted on 04/24/2013 3:23:13 PM PDT by rockabyebaby (We are sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo screwed!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Okay, since NONE of the columns add up to 100%


25 posted on 04/24/2013 3:23:20 PM PDT by Kozak (The Republic is dead. I do not owe what we have any loyalty, wealth or sympathy.)
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To: Kozak

Let’s look at it this way.

The figures are not accurate but let’s make them a whole number for the sake of illustration

There are 10 million unemployed men today. And there are 10 million unemployed women for a total of 20 million unemployed people.

Of the 10 million unemployed men, 42% or 4.2 Million are LONG-TERM unemployed.

Of the 10 million unemployed women, 41% or 4.1 Million are LONG-TERM unemployed.

This makes a total of 4.2 million (men) + 4.1 million (women) or 8.3 Million LONG TERM unemployed.

So, of the total 20 million unemployed, 41.5% ( 8.3 million MEN AND WOMEN ) are LONG TERM unemployed.


26 posted on 04/24/2013 3:31:36 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: DannyTN
What's your plan to fix 23% unemployment?

I know that increasing the cost of every daY COMMODITIES WHICH ALL AMERICANS PURCHASE will do nothing to lower the unemployment rate. It is the ignorance of many who scream about the Chinese (who do nothing but scream) who forget about Mexico, Thailand, Taiwan, India, and of course, Japan and so many more poor countries.

Free trade is a benefit to America, just as technology is our strength. We cannot compete on any playing field against the third world, as their cost of living is so much lower.

I became unemployed at 60. I am now 65. I sought work for three years. I am now living on my SS retirement in the Philippines. I live well, since my meager check equates to more than three average Filipino families make, IF THEY ARE PROFESSIONALS.

The Philippines has strict import requirements and wants everything made here that can be made, in order to increase employment. It does not work. There are Chinese imports abounding here, as it is still cheaper than the local products, and more often of better quality.

Good luck with your screeds. They do nothing to solve the problem. The problem is that the US Gum't has killed the golden goose of American productivity, with ever increasing regulatory costs and higher taxation. Your answer is to increase the cost of living to everyone else, by taxing those items, to aid an abet that Gum't behemoth.

Your ideas fall on deaf ears, here, FRiend. I now employ 17 Filipinos, and will make a difference where I can... with people that appreciate a job at any wage. I worked for someone else in the US despite having been self-employed in five successful businesses. I spent my money well, and have been a benefactor to many, as well as assuring my prodigy a good inheritance. I kept nothing for myself. I know how to produce wealth. I have three registered American Not-for-Profit Corporations (NGO) at work around the world, and have built schools and a hospital in some of the poorest countries. Yes, I AM bragging. I believe in promises.

Have you done anything to help the unemployed? I doubt it!

Disclaimer: I pay more than most local employers and have a line of hard-working Pinoys waiting for a job! I plan to die here, after making a difference.


27 posted on 04/24/2013 3:51:33 PM PDT by WVKayaker ("...once a bell is rung by a biased media, it's impossible to un-ring it."-Sarah Palin 11/7/12)
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To: SeekAndFind

>> almost half of the 3.5 million currently out of work for over a year at 45 or older

In other words, SLIGHTLY OVER half of the unemployed are BELOW 45...


28 posted on 04/24/2013 3:54:45 PM PDT by Nervous Tick (Without GOD, men get what they deserve.)
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To: Texas Fossil

“...the effect of Young People in the “Personnel” Departments.”

I got an e-mail from a recruiter today. The subject line read, “Reguarding your resume”


29 posted on 04/24/2013 3:54:52 PM PDT by equaviator
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To: central_va; DannyTN
Raise the import tariffs and put Americans back to work.

Add: Stop all immigration for 2 decades, at least; then you have plan.


I'd go for that, the only immigrants I would let in is by marriage, other than that, I'd cut it to zero or nearly zero. I'd also send illegals back and any Moslems that put religion above America would go too.

Let me add that we need to lower taxes and regulations to the above as well.
30 posted on 04/24/2013 3:56:35 PM PDT by Nowhere Man (Whitey, I miss you so much. Take care, pretty girl. (4-15-2001 - 10-12-2012))
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To: rockabyebaby
I am one of those “older” workers. Went on an interview about two months ago (accounting position) and was told to my face that “we don’t want anyone at the end of their career” - sounds like age discrimination, however, because I didn’t record the conversation nothing can be done about it. Also, due to “sequestration” unemployment benefits here in MA are being cut 12.8%, not sure what the cut % is in other states.

I hate to hear that. I'd find some way to sue if I can. BTW, I do understand why older workers go on disability after a while. I know it is part of the problem but I do have my mercenary side where I do believe you do what it takes to survive. Not a good equation though.
31 posted on 04/24/2013 4:00:28 PM PDT by Nowhere Man (Whitey, I miss you so much. Take care, pretty girl. (4-15-2001 - 10-12-2012))
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To: SeekAndFind

Shouldn’t those percentages add up to 100? Or is this some of that “damned lies and statistics” thing?


32 posted on 04/24/2013 4:00:51 PM PDT by PLMerite (Shut the Beyotch Down! Burn, baby, burn!)
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To: Wanderer99

They are trained to accept sports as reality. It keeps the peasants thinking like adolescents, who consume from mommy and daddy and don’t feel the need to take responsibility.


33 posted on 04/24/2013 4:07:26 PM PDT by warchild9
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To: WVKayaker

prodigy = progeny

sorry

pet peeve


34 posted on 04/24/2013 4:09:42 PM PDT by warchild9
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To: Nowhere Man
I hate to hear that. I'd find some way to sue if I can.

Can't sue, it's my word against his and without any proof there's no case. I know someone who went through this a couple of years ago, here in MA without any kind of solid proof lawyers won't touch it because it's just hearsay.

I do understand why older workers go on disability after a while.

Yes, now I too understand why so many people are going on disability, granted some of them are probably just the usual sit on their ass types but I can understand if it's an older worker. People say there's plenty of jobs out there and if you really want to work you'd go to Burger King, problem is Burger King doesn't want to pay the money to train people because they know that as soon as the economy turns around we're gone. Entry level jobs are out of the question because we are waaaay too overqualified. I have faith in God that something will turn up!

35 posted on 04/24/2013 4:11:14 PM PDT by rockabyebaby (We are sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo screwed!)
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To: warchild9
Thank you. I knew better, but was typing without full engagement!

My thoughts were more about the subject, instead of the grammar!

View from my back door...


36 posted on 04/24/2013 4:15:32 PM PDT by WVKayaker ("...once a bell is rung by a biased media, it's impossible to un-ring it."-Sarah Palin 11/7/12)
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To: SeekAndFind

Isn’t there a moral hazard in 99 weeks’ unemployment compensation? Having the 12 or 18 month cushion (from the previous 6-month benefit) lowers the sense of urgency. It’s taking far longer for job recovery and many sectors will never regain the workforce levels of the past. Obamacare is scaring employers from adding to payrolls.


37 posted on 04/24/2013 4:30:57 PM PDT by Procyon (Decentralize, degovernmentalize, deregulate, demonopolize, decredentialize, disentitle.)
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To: DannyTN

Where are you getting a 90% tax rate? Their corporate tax rate is 25%


38 posted on 04/24/2013 4:37:27 PM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: SeekAndFind

Except for many of our Baby Boomer peers (and older) in administrative and government jobs. They’ll try to hook up like the Borg and suck the life out of real production (manufacturing, agricultural, energy and mining) forever.


39 posted on 04/24/2013 4:50:47 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: WVKayaker; DannyTN

It’s essentially against the law to manufacture anything here, in the USA, even in the middle of nowhere in sparsely populated counties. There are also the anti-family policies and regulations against private property rights. And we know good and well what kind of families those regulations and anti-family policies come from.


40 posted on 04/24/2013 4:57:20 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: DannyTN; central_va; WVKayaker; Rumplemeyer; Nowhere Man; dennisw; Cringing Negativism Network
Are the government-linked business folks trying to feed you that foreign commie nation propaganda against U.S. tariffs again? Feel free to copy and paste the HTML code for the following whenever needed from now on.

Republican President Hoover signed the Smoot-Hawley Bill in June of 1930.

Compensation from before World War I through the Great Depression

by Robert VanGiezen and Albert E. Schwenk
Bureau of Labor Statistics

John T. Dunlop and Walter Galenson, eds., Labor in the Twentieth Century (New York, Academic Press, 1978), p. 30.

Dunlop and Galenson, p. 27.

Year Unemployment rate

1923-29

3.3

1930

8.9

1931

15.9

1932

23.6

1933

24.9

1934

21.7

1935

20.1

1936

17.0

1937

14.3

1938

19.0

1939

17.2

1940

14.6

1941

9.9

1942

4.7






Gross Domestic Product (ref. 1929 dollars in millions)

Year    GDP

1929   101,444
1930    91,513
1931    84,300
1932    70,682
1933    68,337
1934    74,609
1935    85,806
1936    95,798
1937   103,917
1938    96,670
1939   103,736
1940   112,961
1941   126,237

Source: National Bureau of Economic Research, NBER Series 08166.



The United States Constitution, Article I, Section 8: “The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;...To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations,...”

The Tariff Act of 1789 was the first national source of revenue for the newly formed United States.

WTO helping China Loot Caterpillar
americanthinker.com ^ | 10/04/2010 | Howard Richman & Raymond Richman
"Why can’t Caterpillar make a profit exporting mini-excavators to China? The answer is simple: China has a 30% tariff on all excavators. In fact it has a similar high tariff on just about every vehicle, be it a Ford car, a GMC truck, a Harley Davidson motorcycle, or a giant mining machine made by Bucyrus International."

China Imposes Tariff on US Car Imports
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2820831/posts

Caterpillar Punked By Chinese Fraud, To Write Off Half Of Q4 Earnings
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2979832/posts

Jackie Chan calls US 'most corrupt' country in the world
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2977382/posts

'Be Ready for a War in 2013 and Also Win it', China Tells its Soldiers
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2979921/posts


41 posted on 04/24/2013 5:13:57 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: SeekAndFind
They're not conservatives. They're a more recent breed of socialists. Sources of the regulatory, anti-competition problems and ushers of the default process:

America’s Ruling Class — And the Perils of Revolution
http://spectator.org/archives/2010/07/16/americas-ruling-class-and-the/print

The Fragmenting of the New Class Elites, or, Downward Mobility
http://volokh.com/2011/10/31/the-fragmenting-of-the-new-class-elites-or-downward-mobility/

Environmentalism and the Leisure Class
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2835601/posts

The New Upper Class and the Real Reason We Dislike Them
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2843575/posts

Are you a member of the political class?
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2010/08/are_you_a_member_of_the_politi.html


42 posted on 04/24/2013 5:16:49 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: DannyTN; central_va; WVKayaker; Rumplemeyer; Nowhere Man; dennisw; Cringing Negativism Network
Also comment #42.


43 posted on 04/24/2013 5:23:14 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: SeekAndFind
“We don’t see bread lines. But that despair is there, it’s just behind closed doors,”

The real unemployment rate is probably between 15-20%. This is a depression. I have never known so many unemployed people, including some who have been looking for years.

44 posted on 04/24/2013 5:26:41 PM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas
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To: SeekAndFind

Bump


45 posted on 04/24/2013 5:27:12 PM PDT by WashingtonSource
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To: SeekAndFind

The best bet for fast employment once a new president and hopefully Republican congress are in place would be a Small Business Entrepreneurial Act, which would give start ups with under 10 employees a huge boost.

1) Regulation cessation. That is, find out exactly how many regulations are imposed on each different type of small business, and seriously try to abate all but the critical ones.

2) Create tax simplification for small business. Think of it as flat rate for small business. If they make enough profit they pay the rate, if they don’t, they don’t pay federal tax. Somewhat like today, they should have three years of not enough profit before they *have* to earn enough to pay the tax, or move to ordinary type taxes.

3) Provide to small businesses hundreds of potential formerly successful business models to base their new business on. Basically recipes for what to do, and what not to do. Likewise provide competition research, so for example, they don’t open their restaurant where there are already 10 restaurants on that block. That is, location, location, location research.

4) Provide hiring preferences for older employees, such as reduced FICA for both business and employee, and other exemptions.

Since small businesses provide far more jobs in a nation than big businesses, this should hopefully slash unemployment.


46 posted on 04/24/2013 5:40:29 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Best WoT news at rantburg.com)
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To: SeekAndFind
Forty-two percent are men and forty-one percent are women. What are the other 17%?


47 posted on 04/24/2013 5:43:21 PM PDT by raybbr (People who still support Obama are either a Marxist or a moron. No, they are both.)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy
The big problem is the hit to the group medical insurance plan. Older workers are much more expensive to insure. Mitigate that somehow and a lot of the bias will fade, imho. The remainder is split between out and out age discrimination because it doesn't fit the company “image,” and out of date skills among older applicants.

Patronizing companies known to be senior-friendly will help. We'll all be there someday. Better work to change it or be out of work yourselves when you need it most.

48 posted on 04/24/2013 5:54:35 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: raybbr

RE: Forty-two percent are men and forty-one percent are women. What are the other 17%?

See Post #26 above.


49 posted on 04/24/2013 6:08:50 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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If Sarah Palin were President, you would have a Job by now Comrade...


50 posted on 04/24/2013 6:10:16 PM PDT by Kickass Conservative (Compliance with Tyranny is Treason...)
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