Skip to comments.Long-Term Unemployed: Hidden and Hurt (Older workers are having a tough time)
Posted on 04/24/2013 2:34:52 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
Two men named Bob. Both are over fifty. Both had been working consistently for nearly three decades before losing their jobs in 2009. Both were out of work for more than 99 weeks.
Now there is one glaring difference. Bob Greeney is employed. Bob Sullivan is still fighting to get back into the workforce.
Friendly and candid, the 61-year-old Mr. Sullivan worked in the travel hospitality industry until his former company closed its Boston branch. After taking a brief pause to care for his mother, he said he went through job agencies, attended job fairs and applied to scores of jobs online.
Still, no bites, said Mr. Sullivan, whose ongoing search, day in and day out, continues. Its just a malaise you fall into. Its like having a slow disease, especially if you get rejected or dont hear back.
The battle to get back to work is indisputably grueling, and Mr. Sullivan and the other roughly 4.7 million people who have been unemployed for over six months know all too well that as each month goes by the stigma of long-term unemployment can make it increasingly more challenging to find work
If someone is out of work for a while the perception from employers is that there must be something wrong with you, and after a couple of years the people themselves begin to believe they dont have value, that its over for them, said Joe Carbone, creator of Platform to Employment, a five-week program that focuses on retraining and placing 99ers into eight-week internships with the possibility of that turning into a job. The term 99ers refers to those out of work for 99 weeks or longer and whose unemployment benefits have run out.
We dont see bread lines. But that despair is there, its just behind closed doors,
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We should already be rioting in the streets but Americans are trained to be docile and stupid.
Raise the import tariffs and put Americans back to work.
Add: Stop all immigration for 2 decades, at least; then you have plan.
But, hey, Obama’s stopped walking on water long enough to put the economy right, all praise to Obama.
All talk of unemployment is thus rendered null and void by the magic of media indifference.
>>Friendly and candid, the 61-year-old Mr. Sullivan worked in the travel hospitality industry<<
Is that code for “Travel Agent?”
That avocation has been on its way out since Orbitz came into existence.
Yeah, and raise minimum wages along with that thought! Keep as many people poor as you can!!!
Or continue to compete against $0.17/hr wages in communist China and blame our regs and taxes while hollering free trade and watching our industries shut down.
Oh and don’t ever mention China’s 90% tax rate, while blaming our taxes.
In the past managers made hiring decisions based on who can best do the job. Now it is about minimum labor cost factoring in the elements. Hence the over 55 crowd gets nailed. Nature of the beast, I can speak from experience.
And don't give me the old dated skills argument, it is largely crap.
Many if not most of the over 55 who do find work are either contract labor or work for themselves. I had to do the latter.
I am one of those “older” workers. Went on an interview about two months ago (accounting position) and was told to my face that “we don’t want anyone at the end of their career” - sounds like age discrimination, however, because I didn’t record the conversation nothing can be done about it. Also, due to “sequestration” unemployment benefits here in MA are being cut 12.8%, not sure what the cut % is in other states.
Article said the recession’s over and recovery has been weak. And gubmint action is required.
Whew I feel better now. /s
Wonder how much a “Metro North ticket collector in New York City” pays. That’s the job Mr. Greeney got according to the article.
The Empire Centers press release offered up some good tidbits. In the $150,000-and-over club were 11 LIRR car repairmen who nearly tripled their base salary through overtime shifts. Others included:
65 Long Island Railroad and Metro-North Railroad conductors who averaged $86,837 over their base salaries which averaged $75,970;
53 Bridge & Tunnel Sergeants and Lieutenants who averaged $94,962 over the average base pay of $82,594;
34 Long Island and Metro-North Railroad engineers who averaged $89,109 over their $77,953;
28 MTA police officers; and
23 Long Island Railroad gang foremen averaging $81,718 over their base pay rate $82,249.
I would have to say that an MTA Ticket Collector’s salary is not bad ( It’s a Unionized position ).
RE: We should already be rioting in the streets but Americans are trained to be docile and stupid.
As long as the unemployment benefits, the food stamps, the government subsidies, disability payments etc. continue to come, there will be NO RIOTING.
Rioting starts when the money runs out as it eventually will.
That's when you start working temp, particularly in Accounting. Contracting pays more, but then you have to do your own 'books.' (Oh wait a minute.)
So 42% are men, and 41% are women. And the missing13%?
It’d be interesting to see those numbers including the “out-of-the-workforce” group. Maybe the 55-and-over group are just to stubborn to quit looking like Obama wants ‘em to, so they’re overrepresented in the long-term unemployed.
I’d bet 16-24 and African Americans are likely underrepresented in that chart ... because many have switched from long-term to out-of-the-workforce and living with momma.
I believe the chart is saying 42% of all unemployed men are LONG TERM unemployed. The rest of the 58% unemployed are NOT long term unemployed ( at least not yet ).
Which means that 41% of all unemployed women are LONG TERM unemployed.
Funny, but I don’t care about any of them that didn’t vote the same way I did.
I've been temping for years - I started an assignment in July of 2008 and it ended in September due to lack of work - this particular job where I interviewed a couple of months ago was a "permanent" job. I contacted several temp agencies in September. When a temp job comes up several "candidates" from the agency are interviewed by the client and one is picked for the assignment. Temp jobs are few and far between, the market here is not all that good right now and temp jobs/regular jobs that used to pay good money are now paying $11.40 - $12.30 p/h. The permanent job I interviewed for was a hell of a lot more than that!
Okay, since NONE of the columns add up to 100%
Let’s look at it this way.
The figures are not accurate but let’s make them a whole number for the sake of illustration
There are 10 million unemployed men today. And there are 10 million unemployed women for a total of 20 million unemployed people.
Of the 10 million unemployed men, 42% or 4.2 Million are LONG-TERM unemployed.
Of the 10 million unemployed women, 41% or 4.1 Million are LONG-TERM unemployed.
This makes a total of 4.2 million (men) + 4.1 million (women) or 8.3 Million LONG TERM unemployed.
So, of the total 20 million unemployed, 41.5% ( 8.3 million MEN AND WOMEN ) are LONG TERM unemployed.
I know that increasing the cost of every daY COMMODITIES WHICH ALL AMERICANS PURCHASE will do nothing to lower the unemployment rate. It is the ignorance of many who scream about the Chinese (who do nothing but scream) who forget about Mexico, Thailand, Taiwan, India, and of course, Japan and so many more poor countries.
Free trade is a benefit to America, just as technology is our strength. We cannot compete on any playing field against the third world, as their cost of living is so much lower.
I became unemployed at 60. I am now 65. I sought work for three years. I am now living on my SS retirement in the Philippines. I live well, since my meager check equates to more than three average Filipino families make, IF THEY ARE PROFESSIONALS.
The Philippines has strict import requirements and wants everything made here that can be made, in order to increase employment. It does not work. There are Chinese imports abounding here, as it is still cheaper than the local products, and more often of better quality.
Good luck with your screeds. They do nothing to solve the problem. The problem is that the US Gum't has killed the golden goose of American productivity, with ever increasing regulatory costs and higher taxation. Your answer is to increase the cost of living to everyone else, by taxing those items, to aid an abet that Gum't behemoth.
Your ideas fall on deaf ears, here, FRiend. I now employ 17 Filipinos, and will make a difference where I can... with people that appreciate a job at any wage. I worked for someone else in the US despite having been self-employed in five successful businesses. I spent my money well, and have been a benefactor to many, as well as assuring my prodigy a good inheritance. I kept nothing for myself. I know how to produce wealth. I have three registered American Not-for-Profit Corporations (NGO) at work around the world, and have built schools and a hospital in some of the poorest countries. Yes, I AM bragging. I believe in promises.
Have you done anything to help the unemployed? I doubt it!
Disclaimer: I pay more than most local employers and have a line of hard-working Pinoys waiting for a job! I plan to die here, after making a difference.
>> almost half of the 3.5 million currently out of work for over a year at 45 or older
In other words, SLIGHTLY OVER half of the unemployed are BELOW 45...
“...the effect of Young People in the Personnel Departments.”
I got an e-mail from a recruiter today. The subject line read, “Reguarding your resume”
Shouldn’t those percentages add up to 100? Or is this some of that “damned lies and statistics” thing?
They are trained to accept sports as reality. It keeps the peasants thinking like adolescents, who consume from mommy and daddy and don’t feel the need to take responsibility.
prodigy = progeny
Can't sue, it's my word against his and without any proof there's no case. I know someone who went through this a couple of years ago, here in MA without any kind of solid proof lawyers won't touch it because it's just hearsay.
I do understand why older workers go on disability after a while.
Yes, now I too understand why so many people are going on disability, granted some of them are probably just the usual sit on their ass types but I can understand if it's an older worker. People say there's plenty of jobs out there and if you really want to work you'd go to Burger King, problem is Burger King doesn't want to pay the money to train people because they know that as soon as the economy turns around we're gone. Entry level jobs are out of the question because we are waaaay too overqualified. I have faith in God that something will turn up!
My thoughts were more about the subject, instead of the grammar!
View from my back door...
Isn’t there a moral hazard in 99 weeks’ unemployment compensation? Having the 12 or 18 month cushion (from the previous 6-month benefit) lowers the sense of urgency. It’s taking far longer for job recovery and many sectors will never regain the workforce levels of the past. Obamacare is scaring employers from adding to payrolls.
Where are you getting a 90% tax rate? Their corporate tax rate is 25%
Except for many of our Baby Boomer peers (and older) in administrative and government jobs. They’ll try to hook up like the Borg and suck the life out of real production (manufacturing, agricultural, energy and mining) forever.
It’s essentially against the law to manufacture anything here, in the USA, even in the middle of nowhere in sparsely populated counties. There are also the anti-family policies and regulations against private property rights. And we know good and well what kind of families those regulations and anti-family policies come from.
Gross Domestic Product (ref. 1929 dollars in millions) Year GDP 1929 101,444 1930 91,513 1931 84,300 1932 70,682 1933 68,337 1934 74,609 1935 85,806 1936 95,798 1937 103,917 1938 96,670 1939 103,736 1940 112,961 1941 126,237 Source: National Bureau of Economic Research, NBER Series 08166.
The real unemployment rate is probably between 15-20%. This is a depression. I have never known so many unemployed people, including some who have been looking for years.
The best bet for fast employment once a new president and hopefully Republican congress are in place would be a Small Business Entrepreneurial Act, which would give start ups with under 10 employees a huge boost.
1) Regulation cessation. That is, find out exactly how many regulations are imposed on each different type of small business, and seriously try to abate all but the critical ones.
2) Create tax simplification for small business. Think of it as flat rate for small business. If they make enough profit they pay the rate, if they don’t, they don’t pay federal tax. Somewhat like today, they should have three years of not enough profit before they *have* to earn enough to pay the tax, or move to ordinary type taxes.
3) Provide to small businesses hundreds of potential formerly successful business models to base their new business on. Basically recipes for what to do, and what not to do. Likewise provide competition research, so for example, they don’t open their restaurant where there are already 10 restaurants on that block. That is, location, location, location research.
4) Provide hiring preferences for older employees, such as reduced FICA for both business and employee, and other exemptions.
Since small businesses provide far more jobs in a nation than big businesses, this should hopefully slash unemployment.
Patronizing companies known to be senior-friendly will help. We'll all be there someday. Better work to change it or be out of work yourselves when you need it most.
RE: Forty-two percent are men and forty-one percent are women. What are the other 17%?
See Post #26 above.
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