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Now officials claim Boston bombing suspect was NOT armed in boat showdown
Daily Mail UK ^

Posted on 04/25/2013 5:25:19 AM PDT by Perdogg

Two unnamed U.S. officials have told the Associated Press that the surviving suspect in the Boston bombings was unarmed when police captured him hiding inside a boat in a neighborhood back yard. The report contradicts the Boston police department's own account of Dzhokar Tsarnaev's capture on Friday - after commissioner Ed Davies described a firefight between him and officers before the terror suspect was captured.

The New York Times also said an M4 rifle had been found on the boat - another claim contradicted by the latest revelations.

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Extended News; US: Massachusetts
KEYWORDS: banglist; jahararmed; jaharboat; jaharnotarmed; tsarnaev
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1 posted on 04/25/2013 5:25:19 AM PDT by Perdogg
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To: Perdogg

Amazing how we always seem to get this new info from the foreign press.


2 posted on 04/25/2013 5:29:32 AM PDT by GrandJediMasterYoda (Someday our schools will teach the difference between "lose" and "loose")
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To: Perdogg

so he did NOT shoot himself in the throat before getting off that boat.

So I am back again to exactly when was he shot in the head as he seemed able bodied enough to get off that boat.


3 posted on 04/25/2013 5:30:12 AM PDT by RummyChick
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To: RummyChick; dmz

There is a poster on this site that keeps saying to me..So you don’t believe the police officers on the scene who say ...blah blah blah...

Well....DMZ..here you go

“The report contradicts the Boston police department’s own account of Dzhokar Tsarnaev’s capture on Friday - after commissioner Ed Davies described a firefight between him and officers before the terror suspect was captured. “


4 posted on 04/25/2013 5:32:57 AM PDT by RummyChick
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To: Perdogg

Interesting that an entire division of police marched through residential neighborhoods, ripping families from their homes by armed force, yet they were hunting an unarmed suspect who might have been debilitated in a previous firefight.

I hope there’s a Watertown neighborhood class action civil rights lawsuit against every local and state police department for what they went through. Unconscionable.


5 posted on 04/25/2013 5:33:03 AM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: Perdogg

Let’s look at the physical facts.

The younger brother is in the hospital with a serious, gunshot, injury to the throat. Injuries to that area of the body tend to lead to serious bleeding.

Everyone agrees with the report that he had attempted suicide prior to his capture. This was done with a gun.

Pictures of the boat taken shortly after he was taken into police custody show no blood trails.

So where/when did he attempt suicide?


6 posted on 04/25/2013 5:34:46 AM PDT by Nip (BOHEICA and TANSTAAFL - both seem very appropriate today.)
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

washington post picked up the story
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/officials-boston-suspect-had-no-firearm-when-barrage-of-bullets-hit-hiding-place/2013/04/24/376fc8a0-ad18-11e2-a8b9-2a63d75b5459_story.html

And when bomber was FINALLY read his rights..he stopped talking

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/bombing-suspect-stopped-talking-after-being-read-miranda_719107.html


7 posted on 04/25/2013 5:35:32 AM PDT by RummyChick
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To: Perdogg

Now I wonder if they were even armed during the Watertown shooting. Was the wounded cop hit by friendly fire?


8 posted on 04/25/2013 5:37:27 AM PDT by muir_redwoods (Don't fire until you see the blue of their helmets)
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To: Perdogg

I heard on Fox lastnight that they only had one gun and got the second one from the officer they killed at MIT. Nothing more is being said about the pressure cooker bomb or the grenades they threw at the police during the chase, Why forcibly remove Americans from their homes at gunpoint if these two terrorists were not armed to the teeth? If all they had was one gun Patrick has some questions to answer!

Looks like the Obama gag order is in place and another Benghazi is on the horizon.


9 posted on 04/25/2013 5:41:30 AM PDT by mardi59 (IMPEACH OBAMA NOW!!!!!)
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To: muir_redwoods

they were screaming in the video we didnt do it in the shoot out video and there is supposedly a witness that says the cops killed Big Brother terrrorist- not the little brother

So now you have a missing Saudi terrorist who was given special treatment and visited the WH several times

And a LYING police force

EVERYTHING is suspect now.


10 posted on 04/25/2013 5:43:45 AM PDT by RummyChick
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To: mardi59

I keep having these doubts from Day One that the massive armed raid of houses was about something else.


11 posted on 04/25/2013 5:45:42 AM PDT by RummyChick
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To: Perdogg
It seems to me that the last thing they wanted to do was to capture The Islaminator alive, but he's almost impossible to kill.
12 posted on 04/25/2013 5:46:42 AM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: mardi59

I was at the gym last night and AC360 was on. They talked about the “grenades” that Tsarnaevs threw at the police. They were combination electrical/fuse detonator bombs.


13 posted on 04/25/2013 5:48:04 AM PDT by Perdogg (Sen Ted Cruz, Sen Mike Lee, and Sen Rand Paul are my adoptive Senators)
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To: rarestia

“I hope there’s a Watertown neighborhood class action civil rights lawsuit against every local and state police department for what they went through.”

Oh yeah that’s just what is needed. A freaking murdering terrorist is captured; and now we want to unleash a bunch of scum sucking lawyers on the cops.


14 posted on 04/25/2013 5:49:28 AM PDT by HereInTheHeartland (ok)
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To: mardi59
they only had one gun and got the second one from the officer they killed at MIT

There was NOT a second gun. The MIT officer's holster was rigged in such a way that the gun could not be removed.

15 posted on 04/25/2013 5:51:11 AM PDT by rockabyebaby (We are sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo screwed!)
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To: RummyChick

“they were screaming in the video we didnt do it in the shoot out video and there is supposedly a witness that says the cops killed Big Brother terrrorist- not the little brother”


Do you have this video and link to the witness?


16 posted on 04/25/2013 5:54:24 AM PDT by outpostinmass2
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To: rockabyebaby

Asked whether the suspect had a gun in the boat, Davis said, “I’m not going to talk about that.”

http://news.yahoo.com/miranda-warning-then-silence-bombing-suspect-081846142.html


17 posted on 04/25/2013 5:54:44 AM PDT by RummyChick
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To: outpostinmass2

go to Youtube and search it.

I posted the link for the we didn’t do it clip but I would have to go search for it...


18 posted on 04/25/2013 5:55:51 AM PDT by RummyChick
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To: rockabyebaby

There was NOT a second gun. The MIT officer’s holster was rigged in such a way that the gun could not be removed.

***************

Fox mentioned that too and I wondered why they said he got the gun. One thing bothers me.
tamerlan had the only gun as he was firing at the police and they killed him, his brother jumped in the car and ran him over. How did his brother get the gun from tamerlan in all that chaos?


19 posted on 04/25/2013 5:58:23 AM PDT by mardi59 (IMPEACH OBAMA NOW!!!!!)
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To: RummyChick
So I am back again to exactly when was he shot in the head as he seemed able bodied enough to get off that boat.

Based on past cases of perps being accidentally shot by cops with poor trigger finger discipline, I'm speculating he was shot, probably by accident, after he got off the boat, while he was on the ground being cuffed, by a cop who couldn't keep his finger off his trigger.

20 posted on 04/25/2013 5:58:45 AM PDT by Paine in the Neck (Socialism consumes everything)
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To: RummyChick

I keep having these doubts from Day One that the massive armed raid of houses was about something else.

**************

They probably wanted to test how easy it would be to declare martial law. Shelter in place was more like “wait till we knock down your door and forcibly remove you”! I hope the people who endured their jackbooted tactics sue the heck out of them.


21 posted on 04/25/2013 6:02:40 AM PDT by mardi59 (IMPEACH OBAMA NOW!!!!!)
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To: Paine in the Neck

that seems a likely scenario because IF that video is of him getting OFF the boat instead of IN the boat (as some have reported )it seems he is just too healthy and not much blood.

So then they had to make up a story of him having a gun and shooting at them.

Surprised they didnt have a throw away to put in the boat since the bullet exited his head and might not be found


22 posted on 04/25/2013 6:03:11 AM PDT by RummyChick
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To: RummyChick

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4abBDzq3LM

This one? Most of it is inaudable. What about the witness claim?


23 posted on 04/25/2013 6:04:11 AM PDT by outpostinmass2
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To: outpostinmass2

there are alot of videos of it. You might find one that is more clear.

As to the witness.>>GOOGLE IT. I don’t have the link and I am not going to go search for it.

Just because someone says the cops killed the bomber doesn’t mean it is so..but it is a conflicting story.


24 posted on 04/25/2013 6:08:40 AM PDT by RummyChick
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To: RummyChick

http://www.wcvb.com/news/local/metro/Watertown-boat-owner-David-Henneberry-tells-story-of-finding-Boston-Marathon-suspect/-/11971628/19863572/-/mpx0qq/-/index.html

The boat owner saw “a lot of blood” in the boat.


25 posted on 04/25/2013 6:09:23 AM PDT by outpostinmass2
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To: RummyChick

I am not questioning whether he had a gun in the boat. I was clarifying that there was only one gun not two as the other poster said Fox reported.


26 posted on 04/25/2013 6:09:55 AM PDT by rockabyebaby (We are sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo screwed!)
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To: RummyChick

I don’t know why people can’t search for themselves instead of demanding a link from me.

DO YOUR OWN RESEARCh

But here is the witness that conflicts with the POLICE STORY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_153172&feature=iv&src_vid=Bf2vaRBIrdw&v=IpqfsOHQ6vQ


27 posted on 04/25/2013 6:10:23 AM PDT by RummyChick
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To: rockabyebaby

Exactly how is a holster rigged to not allow extraction unless it has some sort of bio release mechanism? Who puts locks on holsters?

They walked up and shot him sitting in his car and they may not have had time to get into the car and get it or he fell in an awkward position.


28 posted on 04/25/2013 6:10:34 AM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: outpostinmass2

Sure, because bomber was wounded in the shootout with his brother.

Of course he would bleed.

But the picture of him getting OFF that boat does not look the same as him lying on that stretcher.

And now we know why.

HE DIDNT SHOOT HIMSELF IN THE THROAT. HE HAD NO GUN


29 posted on 04/25/2013 6:12:24 AM PDT by RummyChick
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To: mardi59
Fox mentioned that too and I wondered why they said he got the gun. One thing bothers me. tamerlan had the only gun as he was firing at the police and they killed him, his brother jumped in the car and ran him over. How did his brother get the gun from tamerlan in all that chaos?

I don't know if you saw any footage of the shootout, but, you could see there was a lot of gunfire and a lot of confusion. I don't think the cops knew for sure how many guns these guys had because not only was there shooting going on but there were pipe bombs being lobbed at the cops and also another one of those pressure cooker bombs apparently went off as well.

30 posted on 04/25/2013 6:14:50 AM PDT by rockabyebaby (We are sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo screwed!)
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To: RummyChick

http://www.cbsnews.com/2300-201_162-10016620.html

And here is a witness with pictures that sides with the police.


31 posted on 04/25/2013 6:15:35 AM PDT by outpostinmass2
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To: RummyChick

That picture of him getting out of the boat is not very clear. It appears he has blood on his shirt.


32 posted on 04/25/2013 6:18:01 AM PDT by outpostinmass2
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To: RummyChick

The cops are looking worse and worse by the day in this.

Imagine if there we ten really well trained terrorists who were in fact heavily armed?


33 posted on 04/25/2013 6:21:02 AM PDT by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave ofo attacks on America after 9/11)
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To: RummyChick

http://imgur.com/r/pics/02R6skC

Here is the picture of the suspect getting out of the boat, I can’t see his face or neck.


34 posted on 04/25/2013 6:22:07 AM PDT by outpostinmass2
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To: RummyChick

They are learning, even though they are in general pretty slow learners.

These days it is pretty sure they will eventually be caught on camera if they use throw downs...and no gag order from the local judge will help worth a damn after the video has been up on YouTube for a week.


35 posted on 04/25/2013 6:22:16 AM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: outpostinmass2

I have been saying for days that this guy does not look like he shot himself in the throat

AND NOW WE KNOW HE DIDNT

HE HAD NO GUN


36 posted on 04/25/2013 6:23:24 AM PDT by RummyChick
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To: Perdogg

So now the bleeding heart a$$holeliberals can bleed some more over the “unarmed teenager.”


37 posted on 04/25/2013 6:23:37 AM PDT by I want the USA back (Pi$$ed off yet?)
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To: RummyChick

http://www.vosizneias.com/129159/2013/04/23/watertown-ma-community-pitches-in-to-help-boat-owner-who-aided-in-capture-of-marathon-bomber

Look at the bullet holes in the boat from this picture. He could have easily been hit from any of these bullets in the neck. Quite frankly I am surprised he surrived at all.


38 posted on 04/25/2013 6:26:34 AM PDT by outpostinmass2
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To: rarestia
Interesting that an entire division of police marched through residential neighborhoods, ripping families from their homes by armed force, yet they were hunting an unarmed suspect who might have been debilitated in a previous firefight.

And the police didn't find the guy.

It was a citizen who did.

39 posted on 04/25/2013 6:27:08 AM PDT by Fido969
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To: rockabyebaby

The footage I saw was very dark and it was hard to make out what was going on. Heard alot of gunfire though. Fox also said the pressure cooker bomb didn’t go off because the lid was loose.

I should have realized that listening to reporters during something like this is useless. To many different reports.


40 posted on 04/25/2013 6:27:11 AM PDT by mardi59 (IMPEACH OBAMA NOW!!!!!)
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To: Resolute Conservative
Exactly how is a holster rigged to not allow extraction unless it has some sort of bio release mechanism? Who puts locks on holsters?

From the Daily Mail and from what has been reported here in Boston as well: The MIT police officer who was executed in his patrol car on Friday morning was drawn into a trap by the Boston Marathon bombing suspects - who killed him for his gun - it has been claimed.

Sean Collier, 27, died from multiple gunshot wounds in the early morning hours of Friday as he responded to a noise complaint.

The motivation for that murder was at first unclear, but police now believe that the suspects shot him in order to steal his gun.

CBS News reported that Dzhokhar and Tamerlan Tsarnaev were armed with just one gun and a pellet gun, and may have been looking to broaden their arsenal.

The network reported that the brothers' efforts to take Collier's gun were unsuccessful because he had a locking system in his holster.

Less than an hour later, police caught up with the suspects, engaging them in a wild shootout in which Tamerlan Tsarnaev was killed.
His brother Dzhokhar managed to escape, but was caught on Friday evening as he hid in a boat in a Watertown backyard.

The revelation came as the young police officer was laid to rest in an emotional scene at a church in Stoneham, Massachusetts.

Family, friends and colleagues lined the streets to pay their respects to Collier, a 27-year-old Massachusetts Institute of Technology police officer who was killed in the line of duty.

A private funeral Mass for Officer Collier was held on Tuesday at St Patrick's Church.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2313847/Sean-Collier-Slain-MIT-officer-murdered-gun-ambushed-Boston-Marathon-suspects.html#ixzz2RTtdF4mm Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook

41 posted on 04/25/2013 6:27:35 AM PDT by rockabyebaby (We are sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo screwed!)
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To: RummyChick

I have been saying for days that this guy does not look like he shot himself in the throat

AND NOW WE KNOW HE DIDNT

HE HAD NO GUN


He had no gun in the boat. Doesn’t mean he didn’t toss it at somepoint while he was on the run. Criminals do this all the time.


42 posted on 04/25/2013 6:27:53 AM PDT by outpostinmass2
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To: RummyChick
eep having these doubts from Day One that the massive armed raid of houses was about something else.

Get the sheeple used to the idea, so when you do it again you'll have a precedent.

43 posted on 04/25/2013 6:28:54 AM PDT by Fido969
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To: outpostinmass2

You are missing the point.

Police said they were being fired at.

Couldn’t have been

NO GUN

Police said bomber shot himself in the throat with a gun

COULD NOT HAVE DONE IT

NO GUN


44 posted on 04/25/2013 6:30:59 AM PDT by RummyChick
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To: RummyChick

So you’re off of the photo and now on to some other discrepancy. I’m shocked. Not. There will be enough to keep you going for at least a few weeks, or until the next event you latch onto.

You’re slipping RC, as I heard two days ago that there was no gun found on the boat and that the firefight was onesided.

But you’ll have to help understand the contradiction here. It is clear (from the photos) that the boat was shot up pretty good. In a firefight. Which the cops mistakenly believed that Tsarnaev was part of.


45 posted on 04/25/2013 6:32:34 AM PDT by dmz
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To: outpostinmass2

You are walking over backwards to defend this disaster.

Yes, he could have had a gun and dropped it anywhere in Watertown.

that doesn’t change the fact that he couldnt have been shooting from the BOAT BECAUSE HE HAD NO GUN


46 posted on 04/25/2013 6:32:59 AM PDT by RummyChick
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To: Perdogg

Why did they call it a “shootout” when only the cops had guns. If they had killed him, would it have been reported as “gunned down the unarmed suspect”? (Not that I would not have disapproved in this case).


47 posted on 04/25/2013 6:33:30 AM PDT by ThePatriotsFlag ( EVERY DIME Obama Spends is given to him by the Republicans in the House.)
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To: dmz

Oh so you knew two days ago that Police were lying...eh???

How convenient for you as I was saying that he didn’t shot himself in the throat.

Sure enough.

He didn’t.


48 posted on 04/25/2013 6:34:24 AM PDT by RummyChick
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To: Paine in the Neck

Who knows if he really is shot in the throat. Just because they say he is.... We will not see him. And he cannot talk (yeah right) so we will not hear from him. How very convenient.


49 posted on 04/25/2013 6:35:25 AM PDT by theycallmemom
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To: rockabyebaby

efforts to take Collier’s gun were unsuccessful because he had a locking system in his holster.

Maybe this play a part in his death, unable to draw his weapon quickly. I wasn’t there but as a veteran LEO having a holster that you cannot manipulate quickly is a bad deal. Weapon retention is a physical and mental task not a mechanical one. Could be interesting if this “locking” holster was mandated by the department as a liberal gun control wasted effort and the liability ramifications.


50 posted on 04/25/2013 6:36:02 AM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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