Skip to comments.We Are Witnessing UNPRECEDENTED Shortages Of Ammo, Physical Gold And Physical Silver
Posted on 04/25/2013 4:42:35 PM PDT by JohnKinAK
All over the United States we are witnessing unprecedented shortages of ammunition, physical gold and physical silver. Recent events have helped fuel a "buying frenzy" that threatens to spiral out of control. Gun shops all over the nation are reporting that they have never seen it this bad, and in many cases any ammo that they are able to get is being sold even before it hits the shelves. The ammo shortage has already become so severe that police departments all over America are saying that they are being told that it is going to take six months to a year to get their orders. In fact, many police departments have begun to trade and barter with one another to get the ammo that they need. Meanwhile, the takedown of paper gold and paper silver has unleashed an avalanche of "panic buying" of physical gold and physical silver all over the planet. In the United States, some dealers are charging premiums of more than 25 percent over the spot price for gold and silver and they are getting it. People are paying these prices even though they are being told that delivery will not happen for a month or two in many cases. Some dealers are feverishly taking as many orders as they can, and they are just hoping that they will be able to get the physical gold and silver to eventually fill those orders. Personally, I have never seen anything like this. If things are this tight now, what is going to happen when the next major financial crisis strikes and people really begin to panic?
The shortages and rationing of ammunition at gun shops all over America just seem to keep getting worse. The following is from an article by a gun owner down in Texas named Brad Meyer...
If youd like to see a normally sullen sales clerk chortle with derisive pleasure, just walk into just about any gun range, sporting goods store or mass merchandiser and try and buy a couple boxes of .22 ammunition.
Gun enthusiasts are up in arms about a nationwide shortage of ammunition. Handgun ammo in general is particularly difficult to find and when you do find it, there are restrictions on the amount you can buy and how much youre going to be paying for it.
While the list of hard to find ammo is long, .22 long rifle and 9mm handgun ammunition are particularly difficult to find in quantity. And the few places that have it are charging a premium rate and usually limiting purchases to one box, per person, per day. Many gun owners try to find ammunition by going on the Internet, but things have gotten so tight that now any ammo that becomes available online is often gone within seconds...
There are websites where people across the country post links to where ammunition is available and it sells out within seconds. Not minutes or hours seconds. Unfortunately, all of this demand is also driving up prices. Just check out what Meyer says is happening to the price of standard .22 ammo...
The demand is driving up the cost of ammunition. Six months ago, standard .22 ammo the most common type of bullet produced in the world could be had in bulk for around five cents apiece. It is now going for 50 cents or more on some websites and people are paying it. But this shortage is not just affecting private citizens. According to Newmax, police departments all over the nation are dealing with ammo shortages unlike anything that they have ever seen before...
Sheriff Anthony DeMeo of Nye County, Nev., was told his departments regular order of 50,000 rounds could take up to a year to arrive.
This is the first time ever Ive heard that theres a problem with a law-enforcement agency getting ammo for their agency, DeMeo told The Las Vegas Sun.
These departments are not alone. Law enforcement agencies in Oklahoma, Wisconsin, Arizona, and Georgia are among many that are having to limit how much they give their officers due to the shortage. Could you imagine waiting for "up to a year" to get more ammunition?
A recent article posted on CNSNews.com had some more examples of police departments that are reporting that there is a massive wait to get more ammo...
Chief Pryor of Rollingwood, Texas says of the shortage:
"We started making phone calls and realized there is a waiting list up to a year. We have to limit the amount of times we go and train because we want to keep an adequate stock."
"Nobody can get us ammunition at this point," says Sgt. Jason LaCross of the Bozeman, Montana police department.
LaCross says that manufacturers are so far behind that they won't even give him a quote for an order.
"We have no estimated time on when it will even be available," LaCross says. This is insane.
What in the world could be causing such an ammo crunch?
Well, certainly the demand for guns and ammo has been trending up in recent years - especially since Barack Obama was elected.
But that doesn't fully account for the shortages that we are witnessing at the moment.
So what is going on?
Well, some people believe that the federal government is responsible. It has been reported that they have signed contracts to purchase "up to" 1.6 billion rounds of ammunition. According to Forbes, this amount of ammunition would be enough to fight a "hot war" in America for 20 years...
The Denver Post, on February 15th, ran an Associated Press article entitled Homeland Security aims to buy 1.6b rounds of ammo, so far to little notice. It confirmed that the Department of Homeland Security has issued an open purchase order for 1.6 billion rounds of ammunition. As reported elsewhere, some of this purchase order is for hollow-point rounds, forbidden by international law for use in war, along with a frightening amount specialized for snipers. Also reported elsewhere, at the height of the Iraq War the Army was expending less than 6 million rounds a month. Therefore 1.6 billion rounds would be enough to sustain a hot war for 20+ years. In America. Could this be a way that the Obama administration is trying to restrict the amount of ammo that gets into the hands of private citizens?
That is what some people are suggesting.
According to talk radio show host Michael Savage, the ammo contracts that the federal government has signed give them priority over all other purchasers...
What Homeland Security is doing here is theyre issuing a contract to buy up to that amount of ammo if they want it
Its a way to control the amount of market thats available on the commercial market at any time.
If they go to the ammo manufacturers and say give me 50 million rounds, give me another 30 million rounds if they periodically do this in increments, theyre going to control how much ammo is available on the commercial market.
As part of their contract it stipulates in there that when the government calls and says give us another quantity, that everything they make has to go to the government priority one before any of it goes to the commercial market.
So, if they get nervous, all they have to do is use that contract that they have in place and they just say give us some more. So whenever the government wants to tighten the supply of ammunition, all they have to do is invoke their contracts and order more for themselves.
Meanwhile, Obama appears to be doing other things to restrict the amount of ammo that gets into the hands of private gun owners.
For example, there are reports that the Obama administration plans to use executive orders to greatly restrict the importation of ammo from overseas.
So if anything, the shortage of ammunition is only going to get worse, not better.
Meanwhile, the "panic buying" of physical gold and physical silver that we have seen lately has really run down inventories.
According to Reuters, demand has become so intense that the U.S. Mint has suspended sales of gold coins for the first time since 2009...
The U.S. Mint said it has suspended sales of its one-tenth ounce American Eagle gold bullion coins as surging demand after bullion's plunge to two-year lows depleted the government's inventory. This marks the first time it has stopped selling gold product since November 2009, dealers said. At the same time, precious metals dealers all over the country are scrambling to meet the voracious demand that they have been seeing this month. The following is an excerpt from a letter that the CEO of Texas Precious Metals recently sent out to his customers...
The physical silver market is, in a word, ugly. There is no telling at this point when mint inventories will return to normal, but you can be sure it will not happen within the next 8 weeks. Most dealers, at this point, are selling their current customer demand forward, meaning they are selling product they do not presently have, expecting to pull from future mint allocations. Consequently, future allocations will face pressure from today's demand. It is not my intent here to comment on the business practices of other companies, but I will say that no one can possibly predict future allocations at the time. The US mint, for example, releases its allocations weekly, and until then, dealers have no insight into allocation levels. Last week, we turned away business in excess of 100,000 ozs of silver because of stock depletion. However, we stand by the notion that it is better to lose a sale than lose a customer by delaying delivery two months (or more). A similar thing is happening over in Asia. According to the Financial Times, soaring demand has caused a shortage of gold at the Hong Kong Gold & Silver Exchange Society...
Haywood Cheung, president of the Hong Kong Gold & Silver Exchange Society, said the exchange had effectively run out of most of its holdings as members looked to meet a shortfall in supply amid rampant retail demand for gold products.
In terms of volume, I havent seen this gold rush for over 20 years, he told the Financial Times on Monday, adding that the exchange only had around twenty 1kg bars, and 100 five-tael bars left in its inventory. Older members who have been in the business for 50 years havent seen such a thing. But most disturbing of all is what Jim Sinclair told King World News recently. Apparently his friend went to get his gold out of a Swiss bank the other day and they refused to give it to him...
A person that I know with significant deposits in one of the primary Swiss banks, in allocated gold, wanted to take out his gold and was just refused on the basis of directives from the central bank....
They told him the amount was in excess of 200,000 Swiss francs and the central bank had instructed them not to do it because it has to do with anti-terrorism and anti-money laundering precautions.
I really wonder whether those are precautions or whether the gold simply isnt there. Now you tell me that a London delivery has basically failed. It has to raise our suspicions that the lack of physical gold behind the paper gold is literally so severe that we are coming to understand that it is in fact not there.
The gold that people think is stored is not stored, and the inventory of the warehouses for exchanges may not be holding deliverable gold. There has always been speculation about whether or not the physical gold the US claims to store is in fact in those vaults.
The greatest train robbery in history might be all of the gold, and it would only be something like we have described above that would happen right before gold makes historic highs.
There simply is no gold behind the paper. One example is AMRO, a second is your example with Maguire, and a third is my dear friend who was refused his gold on the basis that its value was too high. Remember this friend of mine had his gold in an allocated account in storage at a major Swiss bank. I repeat, there is no gold. So are we going to see more of this?
Will it soon become evident that there is simply not enough physical gold to cover all of the promises that the banks have made?
Jim Sinclair sure seems to think so.
In another interview, John Embry expressed similar sentiments to King World News...
This gets back to the tip of the iceberg when the Dutch Bank ABN AMRO came out and literally said that if you have allocated gold with us, you cant have it.
That, to me, is a default, and it gets back to what Jim Sinclair related when one of his friends went to a Swiss bank and couldnt get his allocated gold. I mean thats preposterous. If its allocated it should be there, but its clearly not there. I think this is the beginning of the end of the massive Ponzi scheme in paper gold. I have been talking about this for some time, and it will have an enormous impact on future gold and silver prices.
When it becomes widely known that all of the people who think they own gold in fact dont own gold, that its been hypothecated and re-hypothecated so many times that there are 100 claims for every single ounce of physical gold, that is when the prices of gold and silver will really go berserk to the upside, and at that point the shorts will have serious problems. If those that helped engineer the recent takedown of paper gold and silver were hoping to scare people away from physical gold and silver, then they failed miserably. For even more on this, please see my recent article entitled "10 Signs The Takedown Of Paper Gold Has Unleashed An Unprecedented Global Run On Physical Gold And Silver".
All of this is just another example why I encourage people to get prepared while times are still relatively good.
Once disaster strikes, it may be too late to get the things that you need.
Right now there are a whole lot of people out there wishing that they had stocked up on ammo when it was much cheaper and much more readily available.
We are moving into a time when everything that can be shaken will be shaken. Use the stability provided by the false bubble of economic hope that we are experiencing right now as an opportunity to get prepared. The next major wave of the economic collapse is rapidly approaching and time is running out.
Has anyone called the ammo manufacturers and asked them to speed up production slightly?
Cheaper Than Dirt in North Fort Worth seems to have plenty, including 9mm. I just purchased 3 boxes (150 rounds) there this afternoon. They’re a bit pricy, $129.80 after taxes. However, the shelves were full.
I forgot to say the ammo I purchased was 45 ACP.
I started stocking up a little bit at a time in 2007 up until about 2010. I have plenty now, but I’m doing no shooting at all because I either can’t find the ammo or the price of it is like gold bar sales.
“...Has anyone called the ammo manufacturers and asked them to speed up production...”
From everything I hear, they are all running full bore (pun intended).
My CCW is a S&W M&P 40c...have fired it in...God knows because of ammo prices.
I’m actually selling it; might replace it with a 9 mm.
Still no .22 at walmart, beats anything I’ve ever seen.
Afraid to even go to the range or down to the river and shoot.
Don’t know when, where, or at what cost I can replace what I fire.
“Still no .22 at walmart, beats anything Ive ever seen.”
I was in my local Wal Mart and the sporting goods associate told me, “we’re getting in regular shipments, we’ll stock the shelves full at 6:00 AM, and by noon the shelves are empty.”
I have been able to find 1 Bucket O Bullets. (1,400 rounds .22LR), and have two boxes of Federal 525 round hollow point .22LR that I only cracked to load the magazines I have.
Still, paying $29.99 for for 525 rounds of .22 LR seems excessive, unless you’re out!
I still maintain there is no shortage of ammunition, it’s locked and loaded in the weapons of your fellow Americans!
I am not a wealthy person but after years of metal detecting I managed to get a pretty full safe of silver. I kind of wish I didn’t sell some of it that I have but I think I have enough to get me through if need be. Most of it is in easy denominations like dimes. I cant imagine if things got real bad how a person breaks down a gold coin into something spendable.
I am sure that there are a million scenarios. I just imagine it being easier for me to spend dimes.
look for the government to basically turn everyone into criminals via the millions of laws and regulations and ordinances, and then under that premise simply haul you out of your house at gunpoint and under pretenses, take all your stuff.
a whole damn town of a million people kept itself inside and allowed themselves to be forcedout of their homes at gunpoint like prisoners being taken out of their cells for inspection. whjo the eff is going to stop it?!?
Unfortunately the resupply as forced my wife and I to to cut down our weekly recoil therapy to bi monthly.
I did buy 3 ea 100 round boxes of 40 S&W yesterday at Walmart. They had five in stock but they limited purchases to 3 boxes per customer.
These are exciting times. Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed.
De Oppresso Liber
We live in the San Francisco Bay Area. I have had no trouble buying ammo at one shop in particular. They have been “managing” their ammo sales so that they have something to sell. Yesterday I bought .22LR CCI Minimags (100 rds in a plastic box) for $9.99. My wife bought two 50 rd boxes of Blazer 9mm target for $19. a box. We go in about once a week, and they can usually supply us with like quantities. Other shops are a hit or miss proposition.
Glad I stocked up when ammo was cheap. 75 cents to a buck a round is far too expensive for target practice ammo.
People won’t be doing sports or tourism involving firearms much, and tolerance for crazy fads and prices has its limits. Folks will find other things to do closer to home.
SOMEBODY has to be buying all the Walmart ammo. I just can’t figure out who and when.
wonder if the criminals are running out of ammo?
I’m doing ok... I’ll just have to go easy on the target practicing a bit.
Bought bilk and bought early.
A couple weeks ago people here were saying there is ammo but its being bought up as soon as it hits the shelves. Bulkammo. Com has ammo but its really pricey
As someone pointed out, gold is great for storing value, but silver is much better as a medium of exchange.
I don’t worry much about ammunition any more since I lost my guns in a boating accident on the river.
Good luck. The M&P Shield in 9mm is one of the hottest pistols going on the market right now. Big demand for it.
Shouldn’t more manufacturing capacity be coming on line???
WM here gets them early AM and they are gone in an hour.
Gold bullets are even harder to find.
From what I hear the bottleneck is primers.
At the WM here there is a daily line of people, some of whom I know, at the gun counter, from about 0530 on in case there is an 0600 delivery.
Ever hear of ‘Gunbroker?’
.22 lr sells for at least $80 per 525 round box...and often times more. Its an auction site like Ebay.
The guy working the gun counter is calling all his friends, so they can buy low and sell high.
There are thousands of rounds for sale on Gunbroker...just at inflated prices.
We need a national ‘don’t buy ammo’ day.
If we’re about to descend into another Middle Ages, those with the gold and weapons will be the ones to survive. The bleeding heart, urban dwelling liberals won’t last a week once the mobs start to rampage.
you have to show up early...around 0700.
“Pricier than Gold” can take their Gouging ways and hang it in their ***!!!
At my Walmart they had plenty of .45 and .40 and even had a attach of maybe 1000 rounds of Winchester 55 grain 5.56 in stock. No .22 or 9mm.
It was supposed to be stash not attach.
They only had gold bullets in .380 at Walmart.
A bill concerning reloaders for now and all who buy ammunition as a near-future surprise.
Reid bill would require background checks to purchase explosive powders
For those who need a .22 rifle and ammo, they should consider an air rifle.
I really like the Gamo Whisper .22
Plenty of air rifles and pellets for sale.
There is no shortage of ammo. You can go to gunbroker.com and within a few minutes you can buy ten thousand rounds of any type of ammo you want. You will however be gouged to at least twice the normal price. This means the people up the chain are hoarding it while trying to extract the largest possible profit. When this stops working the ammo will be released down the line at normal prices.
Basically you paid $130.00 for $50.00 worth of ammo at that price I can see why the store has plenty of 9MM on the shelf.
We need a national don’t buy ammo at their inflated prices month. How about April?
We need a national don’t buy ammo at their inflated prices month. How about April? Or May?
“Cheaper Than Dirt in North Fort Worth seems to have plenty, including 9mm. I just purchased 3 boxes (150 rounds) there this afternoon. Theyre a bit pricy, $129.80 after taxes. However, the shelves were full.”
Whoa! That is right at $40.00 per box. That is some high priced 9mm.
It was 45 ACP. I forgot to put that in the first post. Still damned expensive.
Aprilis about over, but I’m all for a declaration to make May:
‘Don’t buy ammo at inflated costs month’.
I think if the people who are trading in ammo get worried about taking a loss, they would stop....and my dream of seeing .22 lr on the Wal Mart shelf again will be realized.
Somebody at Walmart calls someone when the shipments come in and they show up with a number of people and buy all the .22 LR, .380, 9mm, 40s&w, .45 ACP, .357 mag, .38 spl, .223, 7.62x 39. Sometimes they resell it on Gunbroker or to smaller shops. If you notice there is hunting calibers in stock 30-06, .270, .308 and such.
Are there any ammo manufacturing start-ups I can invest in? Perhaps Freepers with $ to invest could start our own manufacturing company? Probably too long of a lead time to get production equipment & supplies...with my luck we would miss the “peak” demand.
Everyone who never bought/kept bulk ammo is now catching up since last December. If you are in that category, look in the mirror for your answer. If you are not, and just don’t want to shoot up ammo you can’t replace (which is not unreasonable), look at your neighbors.