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Intercounty Connector as 'American Autobahn?'
Laurel Patch ^ | April 25, 2013 | Greg Cohen

Posted on 04/25/2013 8:57:40 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks

The speed limit on the Intercounty Connector was recently raised from 55 mph to 60 mph. Should it go even higher?

The road—also known as MD 200—was designed for speeds up to 60 mph. But that's not stopping one Washington Post reader from insisting the state should turn the ICC into the American autobahn. The German highway allows drivers many long stretches of road without any speed limit.

In his letter to The Washington Post, Bethesda resident Brian Moore says it's a concept Maryland should at least consider:

(Excerpt) Read more at laurel.patch.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; News/Current Events; US: Maryland
KEYWORDS: autobahn; brianmoore; icc; speedlimit

1 posted on 04/25/2013 8:57:40 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks
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To: Abundy; Albion Wilde; AlwaysFree; AnnaSASsyFR; bayliving; BFM; cindy-true-supporter; ...

Maryland “Freak State” PING!


2 posted on 04/25/2013 8:58:09 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Drag Me From Hell!)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Make the speed 30 mph - it’s that’s the speed for maximum vehicle throughput.


3 posted on 04/25/2013 8:58:57 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Won't happen in nanny state Maryland or most any other state for that matter.

The fact is that there are two sets of laws in this country and the *important* people can already drive as fast as they want. Just ask Jon Corzine or Fast Eddy Rendell. They would not want you to have the same privilege, and besides, there's too much revenue to be garnered from ticket writing.

4 posted on 04/25/2013 9:01:29 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Qui me amat, amat et canem meum.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
In parts of the west, and some spots around here, 60MPH is the slow lane.

The folks on the east coast need to get out more, and go where it takes a day at 80MPH to get from point a to point b.

Friggin yankees that think they know what the world looks like from their little slice....

/johnny

5 posted on 04/25/2013 9:03:09 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper

I’ve been out west, where a day trip takes you from the eastern part of Montana to the western part . . . if you’re lucky. :-)


6 posted on 04/25/2013 9:09:57 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Drag Me From Hell!)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

7 posted on 04/25/2013 9:10:53 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (LBJ declared war on poverty and lost. Barack Obama declared war on prosperity and won. /csmusaret)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Some parts around me, you get run over at 80.


8 posted on 04/25/2013 9:10:59 PM PDT by umgud (2A can't survive dem majorities)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Friend of mine travels to Germany every so often and he noticed that the sections with unlimited speed limits are getting shorter each time he visits.


9 posted on 04/25/2013 9:15:00 PM PDT by Hillarys Gate Cult (Liberals make unrealistic demands on reality and reality doesn't oblige them.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
I’ve been on the German Autobahn and asked the driver about the safety of driving with no speed limit. Now, the highway is built correctly to take these speeds straight down the highway, but the driver said when there IS an accident, the driver and passengers are almost always killed. At those speeds, death happens.
10 posted on 04/25/2013 9:18:22 PM PDT by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. Going Galt is freedom.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
I spent a week in Montana one day.

/johnny

11 posted on 04/25/2013 9:18:40 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

It’s about 11-12 hours from Austin to El Paso... a long 12 hours too.


12 posted on 04/25/2013 9:22:45 PM PDT by TheZMan (Buy more ammo.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

I live in MD ...

The Inter-County Connector [ICC] is the BIGGEST boondoggle they ever came up with - for a $2.2B price tag.

Don’t get me wrong - its a GREAT road [to nowhere] ...

It is north of DC and runs E-W for about 20 miles. It connects the I-95 and I-270 Interstates, which run N-S.

Problem is that MOST people work down south in DC. So, no matter if you live off of either Interstate, you generally are travelling south to work in DC each day. You have NO reason to take the ICC E-W.

Less than 20K cars a day use it.

It is also a fairly expensive toll road [$4-$6 in rush hour] and has limited exits [2-3] to other roads between the Interstates.

As for trucks, they don’t use it because they get charged about $20 one-way. Cheaper to use either Interstate going south to hit the Beltway and then travel between them.

The ICC also DOES NOT pay for itself - contrary to what had been promised before this was shoved down our throats. So much so that the tolls on ALL the other toll roads and bridges in the state were raised to pay of the bonds for the ICC.

SO, travellers who DO NOT AND WILL NOT EVER use the ICC are helping to pay off its debt.

We are beginning to call this Guv O’Malley’s O’F*ck-Up ...


13 posted on 04/25/2013 9:23:46 PM PDT by Lmo56 (If ya wanna run with the big dawgs - ya gotta learn to piss in the tall grass ...)
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To: Marcella
At those speeds, death happens.

Sitting in my old chairforce chair with my unwashed coffee mug in front of me.... death happens no matter what you do. Doc that slaps your tookahs and makes you draw your first breath hands your mother your birth certificate and you, your post-dated death certificate.

We all die.

What matters is the stories you leave behind and how you are remembered.

Ok... pants on neighbor's roofs isn't the greatest memory, it's not like Alexander the Great.... but folks around here still talk about Gene, and he's been dead and gone for a while. ;)

/johnny

14 posted on 04/25/2013 9:38:44 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Lmo56

The ICC was approved under the Ehrlich administration. 20K to 30K cars per day use it on weekdays. However, that is clearly nowhere near capacity, from what I can see of the road when I use it (infrequently).


15 posted on 04/25/2013 9:39:10 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Drag Me From Hell!)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Anyone who has had to endure being on the same highway with Maryland/DC drivers would not want to increase the speed limit.

Drivers in Maryland and DC are accidents waiting to happen. You have illegals with no drivers licenses or insurance in rusted pickup trucks with all kinds of junk fastened insecurely to the back of the truck. You have brain dead government employees who change lanes without signaling and are oblivious to other drivers on the road. You have 3rd world immigrants, who should be riding goats or donkeys like their relatives, in unsafe 10 year old vehicles ignoring all the rules of the road. You have egotistical punks with no consideration whatsoever for other drivers with 120 decibel noise rocking their sound systems. You have self-absorbed people texting and twittering and Lord knows what with only minimal interest in what is happening on the road.

And that is on a nice, sunny day. Throw in some ice or a half an inch of snow and you have skidding, and sliding and cars in the ditch everywhere.

We don't need these people driving over 100 mph. They are not safe at 40 mph.

16 posted on 04/26/2013 12:38:14 AM PDT by detective
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To: Marcella

And, German drivers actually have to prove competence after a long and expensive license process. I’d put a “bad” German driver up against a crazy, passing in the slow lane faster than conditions driver in The States any day. In Germany, if you block the fast lane, ticket. Drink a big gulp while driving, ticket. Drive too fast for conditions, ticket. Then there are the vehicle inspections that would put half of American used cars in the crusher..


17 posted on 04/26/2013 1:15:32 AM PDT by AnAmericanInEngland
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To: AnAmericanInEngland

Lived in Switzerland and drove the autobahn quite a bit. I’ve been passed while driving 140 mph (daylight, clear road - very long sight lines), highest I ever drove was 150 though my wife was very unhappy (the kids loved it). Great roads, built for people that can follow the rules and avoid getting into accidents. My understanding was that if you were in an accident, you lost your driver’s license for life.
Where they had limits, strictly enforced. I received one German ticket - photo, for something like 40 in a 35 zone (rural road). Cameras were all over. The Swiss really liked their cameras, and were very strict.


18 posted on 04/26/2013 7:40:40 AM PDT by LibertyOh
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To: Marcella

I can remember driving the autobahn from Stuttgart to Munich, almost bumper to bumper traffic, everyone going 75 - 80 MPH. Any accident dozens would be killed. Driving the autobahn took a little while to get used to.


19 posted on 04/26/2013 7:50:28 AM PDT by ops33 (Senior Master Sergeant, USAF (Retired))
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To: LibertyOh

I have very fond memories of driving the Autobahn while stationed in Germany. And like you, received a ticket for going 5 miles over a city speed limit. At that time, the officer approached your car with a wallet not a ticket book. They made you pay up right on the spot. Ticket was doubled if you didn’t have the cash!


20 posted on 04/26/2013 7:54:03 AM PDT by weston (As far as I'm concerned, it's Christ or nothing!)
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To: Marcella
If you drive in Germany, German laws against drunk driving are MUCH stricter then US laws. If you get into an accident and have a blood alcohol of .032 percent (US DUI standard is 0.08), you can go to prison for up to 5 years.

US levels of DUI are NOT tolerated in Germany.

If we increase speed limits, it would need to be coupled with much stricter enforcement of driving under the influence.

21 posted on 04/26/2013 8:04:14 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: weston

I got this ticket in the mail. As I recall, if you want to challenge or even ask for the photo, there was a significant charge.

Talk about paying on the spot, we went through a little portion of Austria on the way to Germany one trip - only a few miles. Apparently as we entered Austria, there were some signs (in German, of course) reminding visitors of the need to obtain a pass to drive on their Highways, with one little gas station that had them for sale. Having not understood what the requirements were, we got on the highway for our short trek into Germany. At the border there was a checkpoint and an officer pointing people into one of two lines - one to continue on the highway into Germany and the other to a line of officers - there were about a dozen. There they gave a ticket and fine, I believe it was 100 - 150 Euro, for not having the pass/sticker (3 Euro). Cash. Quite a racket - all the officers were busy, collecting fees from folks like us that were traveling this tiny stretch of highway between Switzerland and Germany.


22 posted on 04/26/2013 8:20:45 AM PDT by LibertyOh
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To: JRandomFreeper
In parts of the west, and some spots around here, 60MPH is the slow lane.

I live in Maryland, and believe me, on the Beltway and the I-270 corridor, unless the road is jammed, if you're not doing at least 70 MPH you will be run over by the traffic behind you, regardless of the 55 MPH posted limit.

23 posted on 04/26/2013 8:23:52 AM PDT by kevkrom (If a wise man has an argument with a foolish man, the fool only rages or laughs...)
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To: AnAmericanInEngland

“And, German drivers actually have to prove competence after a long and expensive license process.”

That’s true. I and the people with me were also blown away by every taxi and bus being Mercedes-Benz.

We were staying in Munich and taking trips from there.


24 posted on 04/26/2013 8:57:10 AM PDT by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. Going Galt is freedom.)
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To: detective

Don’t forget all the FRICKIN’ SLOW DRIVERS!!!


25 posted on 04/26/2013 6:22:16 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Drag Me From Hell!)
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To: kevkrom

I’ve gotten by doing 60 (to save gas — it is so expensive). I do have to be careful of the other, faster drivers, however.


26 posted on 04/26/2013 6:28:15 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Drag Me From Hell!)
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To: Lmo56
If the ICC Started in Reston and went across the Potomac and all the way to I-95, it would be a great road.
27 posted on 04/26/2013 6:28:24 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
The ICC was approved under the Ehrlich administration.

O'Malley coulda killed it before construction AND he was the one who rammed thru the toll increases on the other bridges/roads when it became clear that the ICC wouldn't pay for itself.

FYI:

Every time I have been on an overpass and looked [in both directions], I have NEVER seen more than 10-15 cars.

ALSO, I have only driven the ICC once when it was free. I live 10 minutes from it and the ONLY time I MIGHT use it is if I was late for a flight at BWI ...

28 posted on 04/26/2013 7:27:20 PM PDT by Lmo56 (If ya wanna run with the big dawgs - ya gotta learn to piss in the tall grass ...)
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Every time I have been on an overpass and looked [in both directions], I have NEVER seen more than 10-15 cars.

Yes, kind of like I-94 in eastern Montana (and yes, I drove that). Like I said, the road is well under capacity, and it has obviously failed as a diversion route from the DC Beltway.

And since crossing the thing takes only a few seconds, seeing only 10 to 15 cars does not negate the reports that 20K to 30K people are using it on a weekday, IMO.

29 posted on 04/26/2013 9:13:04 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Drag Me From Hell!)
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