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Ruh-Roh: Administration Wants to Tie in Obamacare to NICS
Gun News ^ | 4/26/13

Posted on 04/26/2013 5:55:18 AM PDT by pabianice

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"The HHS Office for Civil Rights (OCR)"? WTH?
1 posted on 04/26/2013 5:55:18 AM PDT by pabianice
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To: pabianice

And who’s suprised by such a thing?


2 posted on 04/26/2013 5:56:39 AM PDT by OKSooner
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To: pabianice

I’m sure our overlords in the House, Senate, and Executive branches will exempt themselves from this too...


3 posted on 04/26/2013 5:57:28 AM PDT by wolf24
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To: OKSooner

And trust me it won’t stop there if there is no resistance


4 posted on 04/26/2013 6:00:00 AM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: pabianice

So, the FBI, NSA, CIA, and DHS have a hard time talking to each other about terrorist immigrants, but your nurse’s aide will have no trouble blocking your pistol purchase through the DOJ.


5 posted on 04/26/2013 6:01:28 AM PDT by VanShuyten ("a shadow...draped nobly in the folds of a gorgeous eloquence.")
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To: pabianice
a notation on which of the ten prohibited categories is applicable to the individual

Ten categories could be expanded to 100 with little to no fanfare. Pretty soon, everyone will be denied for some reason or another, and the appeals process will be backlogged, confusing, and convoluted.

And the liberals will have won.

6 posted on 04/26/2013 6:03:22 AM PDT by corlorde (forWARD of the state)
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To: pabianice

GOA predicted this in 2007.


7 posted on 04/26/2013 6:03:30 AM PDT by MachIV
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To: pabianice

Here comes the total control matrix.

Who is going to be a “dissident” when it might mean your health records are “accidentally deleted?”

Or you lose your RKBA?

Or you child might not get a needed operation. “Sorry, no more slots are available this year. Apply again next year.”

This is the face of an evil dictatorship.


8 posted on 04/26/2013 6:05:03 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: pabianice

So all those millions of Americans who are on SSRI meds will have their guns confiscated. Just one of the repercussions.


9 posted on 04/26/2013 6:05:24 AM PDT by Kevmo ("A person's a person, no matter how small" ~Horton Hears a Who)
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To: corlorde
They still have to take the guns away.

Democide: Socialism, Tyranny, Guns and Freedom


10 posted on 04/26/2013 6:06:03 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: pabianice

Some free advice:

Doctors are, currently in some places and soon will be in others, asking patients and even children, “Do you or do your parents have guns in the house?”

My children know to look the doctor or any other adult who asks in the eye and “I do not know.” I and my wife will take the liberty of lying outright if necessary. Your ownership of firearms will soon be something kept in your medical records.

My children’s pediatrician asked me this several years ago. I told him he should never ask that question again. He apologized profusely and started to explain why he is now supposed to ask. BTW - He has his carry license and does carry concealed. Go figure.


11 posted on 04/26/2013 6:06:48 AM PDT by Tenacious 1 ("The British are Coming (to confiscate weapons)" - Paul Revere (We know how that ended))
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To: pabianice

What could possibly go wrong with this?


12 posted on 04/26/2013 6:08:45 AM PDT by carriage_hill (AR-10s & AR-15s are the Muskets of the 21st Century. Free men need not ask permission.)
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To: Tenacious 1

I understand completely, and am also prepared to lie as well. I might even through in a few anti-2nd ammendment decoy remarks if I’m asked.


13 posted on 04/26/2013 6:11:53 AM PDT by MachIV
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To: pabianice

Those “unnecessary legal barriers” were the very backbone of HIPAA when it was first introduced. An onerous burden upon doctors at first, making a lot of paperwork and much arcane and tedious language when discussing diagnosis and treatment of individuals.

Apparently there is no longer any expectation of privacy in ANY transaction today, with the exception of what the Current Regime is doing in the White Hut. Whatever is going on there, is classified so highly that only the enemy shall ever find out what is going on, if in fact the denizens of the White Hut are not in active collusion with what are perceived to be enemies of the republic.

I yearn for the days when the only worldwide competition the US faced was the Communist menace. This revival of the Ottoman Empire and its Worldwide KKKaliphate is a reversion to the collapse of Rome, this time America playing the part of the Caesars.


14 posted on 04/26/2013 6:12:46 AM PDT by alloysteel (Every generation laughs at the old fashions, but follows religiously the new.)
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...ensures that guns are not sold to those prohibited by law from buying them...

A law to enforce a law? Truly Kafka-esque

15 posted on 04/26/2013 6:15:14 AM PDT by ecomcon
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To: Travis McGee

They won’t really need to take the guns away. The Marxists know how to wait. Make new gun purchases difficult and dry up the ammo.


16 posted on 04/26/2013 6:16:48 AM PDT by corlorde (forWARD of the state)
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To: pabianice
It's just Benevolent Information Gathering, Brother.
17 posted on 04/26/2013 6:18:58 AM PDT by Paine in the Neck (Socialism consumes everything)
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To: corlorde

Making gun ownership a major hassle and legal risk has worked wonders in blue states. I read recently that gun ownership in some states has dropped from around 40% to 10%, because keeping your guns legal is a major PITA, and if you make a mistake, you could be arrested.


18 posted on 04/26/2013 6:26:39 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: pabianice

Abnormal Is the New Normal
Why will half of the U.S. population have a diagnosable mental disorder?

http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/medical_examiner/2013/04/diagnostic_and_statistical_manual_fifth_edition_why_will_half_the_u_s_population.html


19 posted on 04/26/2013 6:29:29 AM PDT by listenhillary (Courts, law enforcement, roads and national defense should be the extent of government)
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To: Travis McGee

I call BS on that stat. I surmise it has gone up, exception being a few deep blue states, but they are also the biggest hypocrites in the world as well.


20 posted on 04/26/2013 6:31:08 AM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: VanShuyten

Luckily I don’t need to purchase anymore and neither does anyone in my family.


21 posted on 04/26/2013 6:32:02 AM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: Travis McGee

Now a few will see why the 0bamacare act was really created and voted into law with no one reading it...

It had NOTHING to do with healthcare. Many on the right were well aware of this fact, but as usual the message & warnings fell on deaf ears.

MY GOD ALREADY! WHY CAN WE NOT STOP THEM?


22 posted on 04/26/2013 6:32:59 AM PDT by EBH (Warning this person is a Catholic, Tea Party Patriot, and owns a copy of Atlas Shurgged)
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To: ecomcon

It will be the new catch-22:

If you want a “killing-machine” such as a gun, you are clearly mentally ill and therefore cannot be allowed to purchase one, for your own safety, you see.

If you don’t want a weapon, you are “normal” and sane and can now buy as many as you don’t want.


23 posted on 04/26/2013 6:36:20 AM PDT by Carlucci
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To: EBH

It’s going to get a lot worse before it gets better.


24 posted on 04/26/2013 6:37:07 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Travis McGee
They still have to take the guns away.

Exactly. They seem to have a real problem understanding "...shall not be infringed." but I'll bet dollars to donuts that they will have no problem understanding "From my cold dead hands."

They still have to take the guns away.


25 posted on 04/26/2013 6:37:41 AM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (For me, I plan to die standing as a free man rather than spend one second on my knees as a slave.)
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To: Travis McGee

Cleansing justice WILL come.


26 posted on 04/26/2013 6:40:17 AM PDT by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: Tenacious 1

“My children’s pediatrician asked me this several years ago.”

Mine were asked this (along with other intrusive questions) as part of a pre-appointment survey.


27 posted on 04/26/2013 6:43:45 AM PDT by BlatherNaut
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To: pabianice; All
I have a particularly important warning for anyone here who is 65 or over and receiving Medicare. Four or five months ago I received an envelope from Social Security that didn't look sufficiently official to open and tossed it. Then, about two months ago, I received a follow up to that envelope and, being reasonably curious, I opened it. It turned out that the envelope contained an ostensibly anonymous questionnaire that initially appeared to be about the kind of care I was receiving from my primary care physician and his staff. I use the term "ostensibly anonymous" because the form, although it did not contain any place for me to add my name or sign it and did not have my name printed on it, did have a block of digital encoding similar to what appears on airline tickets. Anyway, once I read through the innocuous part of the questionnaire about my doctor, I came to the real zinger, an extensive set of questions about my personal medical condition, including any emotional problems for which I might have sought treatment. IOW DHHS attempted to get me to give it highly personal medical information in an individually encoded and identifiable document that falsely purported to be anonymous and to be part of a random survey. Being the forgetful oldster I am, I somehow forgot to return it. I urge any other FReeper in my position to do the same with one of these vile things.
28 posted on 04/26/2013 6:48:04 AM PDT by libstripper
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To: pabianice

Unless you can get your doctor to agree and PROMISE to not share information with the government which could be used against you, get another doctor.

Come on, after all, we live in a nation where the false right to kill a baby was created using our right to privacy.

If through a right to privacy we can kill babies, then we certainly have a right to prevent the government from knowing what 2nd Amendment protection devices we have in our homes.


29 posted on 04/26/2013 6:50:14 AM PDT by Wurlitzer (Nothing says "ignorance" like Islam!)
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts
Here is a polite hypothetical leaflet that might need to be passed out soon.

It will be much less polite if they tear up the leaflets and try to Watertown a community in a red state.

Because aiming rifles at innocent American citizens, and screaming "OUT! OUT! OUT!" at them like German Nazis won't work where real Americans live.


30 posted on 04/26/2013 6:51:23 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Carlucci
If you want a “killing-machine” such as a gun, you are clearly mentally ill and therefore cannot be allowed to purchase one, for your own safety, you see. If you don’t want a weapon, you are “normal” and sane and can now buy as many as you don’t want.

While simultaneously declaring that ripping your own flesh and blood from your uterus and allowing a butcher to throw it in a toilet or snip its spinal cord as it desperately tries to cling to life is not only normal, it's your 'right'.

Evil doesn't even begin to describe what's in charge.

31 posted on 04/26/2013 6:51:46 AM PDT by liberalh8ter (The only difference between flash mob 'urban yutes' and U.S. politicians is the hoodies.)
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To: Tenacious 1
BTW - He has his carry license and does carry concealed.

My favorite doctor appointments are the ones with my podiatrist. He is a firearms afficianado like myself and he has the dough to collect a lot.

Most of our sessions are not about my feet but rather about our personal firearms collections and pieces we'd like to own.

32 posted on 04/26/2013 6:52:14 AM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (For me, I plan to die standing as a free man rather than spend one second on my knees as a slave.)
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The number of deaths from all the mass-shootings in the past 40 years are equal to the number of Chicago shooting deaths in 2012 alone.

But most of the Chicago deaths are black people, so Ubama doesn't care.

33 posted on 04/26/2013 6:54:22 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("Deficit spending is simply a scheme for the confiscation of wealth." --Alan Greenspan)
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Our mafia connected governor, Cuomo has been working with the Federal Stasi using NY State’s unconstitutional gun law as a test vehicle to find a way to circumvent HIPAA.

Their first attempt failed miserably in Western NY with a gun owner deprived of his guns but then they had to be returned to him. Hopefully a few of our NY State Storm-troopers will be getting some new orange uniforms because of their violation of 1) A constitutional guarantee 2) HIPAA.


34 posted on 04/26/2013 6:56:21 AM PDT by Wurlitzer (Nothing says "ignorance" like Islam!)
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To: pabianice

35 posted on 04/26/2013 7:37:54 AM PDT by Slyfox (The Key to Marxism is Medicine ~ Vladimir Lenin is smiling from hell)
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts

Are you one of my patients?!?

:0)


36 posted on 04/26/2013 10:14:17 AM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: pabianice

American Psychological Association is virulently anti-gun at the highest levels of the organizations’ structure.

The American Psychological Association can not be allowed to become unelected unaccountable politically motivated doyens who can grant or rip away the natural born rights of men without a equitable system of checks and balances that is not a “pay for justice” stacked judicial kangaroo court system.

The NRA needs to come out in total against ObamaCare, put it all on the line, or they will have in fact surrendered the concept of natural born rights of man to protect one’s self, home family and property.

This is end game moves in the history of our republic.

I highly doubt the schmucks and co-opted high rent charlatans running the NRA and GOP House leadership will give a fight over this.


37 posted on 04/26/2013 11:14:03 AM PDT by JerseyHighlander
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Are you one of my patients?!?

Nope. But I'll be looking when I finally get out of this Communist Shiite hole called Massachusetts.

38 posted on 04/26/2013 12:51:00 PM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (For me, I plan to die standing as a free man rather than spend one second on my knees as a slave.)
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To: pabianice
It's in the nature of Soviet government, no matter by whom practiced (vide the Chinese "Golden Shield") to tie everything in with everything.
39 posted on 04/27/2013 10:51:33 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: pabianice
It's in the nature of Soviet government, no matter by whom practiced (vide the Chinese "Golden Shield") to tie everything in with everything.
40 posted on 04/27/2013 10:51:33 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: BlatherNaut

When my doc tries this one, my comment will be I don’t want him running interference from that SOB in the whitehouse. If the SOB wants an answer, he can appear directly in front of me and ask for it. Otherwise, I have no answer.


41 posted on 04/27/2013 1:27:38 PM PDT by Mouton (108th MI Group.....68-71)
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To: Travis McGee

Washington County - what state?


42 posted on 04/27/2013 1:41:01 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: pabianice

Mark Harmon is the last person you want to see your medical records ...


43 posted on 04/27/2013 1:44:38 PM PDT by x
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Executive Orders are only applicable to the Executive Branch of the Government they have no bearing on all of America - keep that in mind . The intent of this is only to get it into the courts as it is an unconstitutional power grab. American people are not subservient to the Executive Branch.


44 posted on 04/27/2013 2:59:16 PM PDT by hondact200 (Candor dat viribos alas (sincerity gives wings to strength) and Nil desperandum (never despair))
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That would be applied to everyone—not only Obamacare recipients.


45 posted on 04/27/2013 3:43:53 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: Kevmo
"So all those millions of Americans who are on SSRI meds will have their guns confiscated. Just one of the repercussions."

It is their intent that anyone who works in any kind of "health care" job would have discretion to report anyone to the NICS--not only welfare recipients.


46 posted on 04/27/2013 3:54:00 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: Travis McGee

What you said!


47 posted on 04/27/2013 4:16:04 PM PDT by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: listenhillary
"Abnormal Is the New Normal
Why will half of the U.S. population have a diagnosable mental disorder?

http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/medical_examiner/2013/04/diagnostic_and_statistical_manual_fifth_edition_why_will_half_the_u_s_population.html
"

That's a good point, although some people reading this thread will ignore it because of their own fears. Some of those of us, who were acquainted with certain kinds of psych., social work, English, women's studies or medical students in a university, are aware. Others who know much about efforts to get funding for social programs are also aware of the compulsive/socio-political desires in some to control others, greed, etc.


48 posted on 04/27/2013 4:16:17 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: Tenacious 1
"My children know to look the doctor or any other adult who asks in the eye and “I do not know.” "

"I don't know?" WTF - Why say that? Have them say NO!

Human nature being the way it is, saying "No" will get the right box checked, and that will be it. Any other answer will require follow-up questions later.

49 posted on 04/27/2013 6:53:16 PM PDT by Slump Tester (What if I'm pregnant Teddy? Errr-ahh -Calm down Mary Jo, we'll cross that bridge when we come to it)
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To: Tenacious 1

MY GD [8 y/o at the time] replied....*Not that I would notice,* when asked about guns in the house.

I thought that was a great off-the-cuff answer for her age

Later she told me, she was afraid that someone would come and take her BB gun away.

It literally breaks my heart, that our hobby of shooting sports is looked on so negatively; and that a child has to defend it. This is not the America I want to leave to her. I am ashamed.


50 posted on 04/27/2013 6:59:22 PM PDT by Daffynition (Stand Your Ground)
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