Skip to comments.DHS Denies Ammo Purchases Aimed at Civilians
Posted on 04/26/2013 8:06:28 AM PDT by yoe
Officials at the Department of Homeland Security denied Thursday that its large-scale ammunition purchases were an effort keep bullets out of the hands of private citizens.
At a hearing on Capitol Hill Thursday, top DHS training officer Humberto Medina said he could "say categorically that was not a factor at all" in the purchases. He also noted that ammunition DHS purchased would be used for both operations and training purchases.
The ( Associated Press reported) in February that DHS was planning to buy more than 1.6 billion rounds over the next five years, a number that sparked fears of government stockpiling which DHS previously denied to Whispers. Officials told lawmakers DHS actually was planning to buy only up to 750 million rounds.
But Rep. Darrell Issa, R-Calif., said it still looked like the government was unnecessarily amassing ammunition.
"The idea that you have to have excess rounds, year after year, flies in the face of common sense," Issa said. Medina argued that DHS keeps a reserve of ammunition because of market fluctuations and because of past problems with vendors.
In fiscal year 2012, DHS purchased more than 103 million rounds of ammunition, to be used by about 70,000 DHS officers who are currently authorized to use weapons. Rep. Jason Chaffetz, R-Utah, said Thursday that "the math" didn't make sense, pointing out that this means an average 1300-1600 rounds per DHS officer some 1000 rounds more than the average for an officer in the Army.
DHS agents and officers need extensive training because they are "exposed to a variety of situations" and "only have that weapon to protect their lives," Medina said. "They can't contact air support [like an officer in an army could.] They have to be proficient at a very high level."
And we’d expect them to admit it because???
In other conspiracy theory news, the Department of Health is solving obesity by buying up the national supply of potato chips.
Why can’t the House block all this?
Find the ammo, confiscate it, and donate it to THE N.R.A.
Good campaign promise for the repugs. (never happen)
Never believe anything until the government officially denies it.
I liver 60 miles north of Atlanta. Yesterday I drove up to WalMart at 6:30 AM as I have done every day for a month or two now, looking to get some 22LR ammo so my daughter and I could go plinking.
There was a Fulton County car parked outside and I didn’t think much except to think not common. Inside at the counter were 3 people lined up coveting the cart that had last nights ammo....lots this time because they’d not gotten anything in 4 days. 22LR, 223, 7.62X39, 40 S&W, 9 mm (some in 100 rd value packs), 45 ACP, 357 SIG, a lot...
One of the others was a Fulton County Detective with badge, gun, the works. He got three boxes of ammo, the limit allowed.
Somebody here besides a Rambo, ex-SWAT, SEAL, etc. tell me why you need hollow point rounds to train - why 1000 rounds? They’re more expensive and they kill that paper no more dead than a ball round.
Don’t tell me you have to ‘train with what you shoot’....you aren’t in Fallujah or raiding Osama’s compund, you aren’t up against armored perps with full auto AKs - any of that. You’re just shooting up a frigging fiberglass boat and claiming the perp inside is shooting back at you.
The results of this ‘training’ need crap are doing what they intended. Slow the ammunition flow to the public, but the unintended result is that detective had to go a long way to get his three boxes of ammo.
[BTW, I did get my 325 rd box of Remington 22LR along with a 100 rd box of 9mm, and one box of ball 45ACP...bill was $59 and change...it felt like Christmas]
If the rounds were for practice, they would buy the less expensive round nose or semi-wadcutters instead of hollow points.
Their standard reply is “train with what you use.”
The D in DHS stands for...DENIAL!
“I could say categorically that...”
Then say it.
Besides, it’s not like they have to be frugal with taxpayer money or anything.
There are liars, damned liars and then there are Obama lackeys.
Kind of off topic but I was out plinking yesterday and 1 out of 10 of my Winchester Wildcat .22 did not fire. Anyone else have this happen to them?
How can you tell when DHS is lying?
When they issue a statement.
Thats a relief. Government is good. The more the better. /sarc.
I’m sayin......defund DHS.
all they had to do is redefine “civilian” to make this statement a non-lie.
Aimed at civilians? no.
Aimed at “enemy combatants?” Yes1
Enemy Combatants = Tea Partiers, Christians, Conservatives, etc.
But the ammo soon will be......
I hate you.
The entire Obama administration lies about the time of day. I wouldn’t trust their statements on anything.
What is this love affair the Democrat Communists have with lying butch dykes?
They are for future rat hunts! The Rats are taking over this country and other methods of rodent control do not appear to be keeping the population in check.
National Socialist German Workers party circa 1930’s, “We aren’t planning on invading anyone!”
Not too long later: “Surprise! We lied! Hi France, would you wear this maid outfit for us please?”
DHS and Napolitano, “We aren’t planning on going after American citizens, honest!”
Liars and damned liars are in charge of our nation and they want to intimidate us and if that doesn’t work they’ll end up killing us.
Tea Party united with Oath Keepers!
When the sold the guns to Mexico they didn’t add the ammo now they can double up on the $$$$$$.
Morally compromised people are easier to manipulate and control.
If and when the White House changes parties a lot of this ammo is liable to end up on the U.S. retail market as surplus.
RE: your misfires on .22 rounds... I am seeing that occur occasionally with my BSA Rifle Shooting MB training. We shoot single shot bolt action rifles. Trigger pull / ‘click’/ count to ‘30’ / extract / confirm firing pin strike / rotate cartridge 90 degrees and reload - fires..... What is happening is in the manufacturing process. The primer media is not getting distributed evenly in the rim and you have a void. The round is only ‘slightly defective’. If, after a second or third ‘misfire’. Destroy the cartridge.
One of the issues with DHS is that it HAS to have an enemy to exist. If there is no enemy then it would be shut down.
If all of the world’s terrorists died tomorrow whomever is next on the list would just move up and be their new, top enemy.
Currently - that’s white American christians. (Some may say it already is)
The real issue is that DHS has to be dissolved. A failed experiment. A dangerous idea. 5 bombers under Obama in the US already and the DHS is still clueless.
Shut it down.
Looking at the sheer number of rounds fired at that one unarmed terrorist without one kill shot makes me realize that they need all of the ammo they can get. They really suck so bad.
The good news? We have nothing to fear from these clowns if a real civil war began.
A misfire always bugs me. Even if I can’t get it to fire on the 2nd or 3rd try I still treat it like a themo-nuclear bomb.
“The results of this training need crap are doing what they intended. Slow the ammunition flow to the public, but the unintended result is that detective had to go a long way to get his three boxes of ammo.”
Nonsense. The government’s purchases are a drop in the bucket. The real cause of the shortage is exactly what you saw yesterday, private citizens lining up to buy up the entire stock of a store as soon as it comes in. As long as there is panic buying and stockpiling by the public, the shortage will continue, because that is what is driving it.
I had 3 misfires on the same cartridge. Yes, firing pin was striking. I did rotate it to get a strike in a different spot. This was with a Ruger 10/22 using Winchester Wildcat ammo. After that I gave up on it.
Public demand DUE to not believing DHS is telling the truth, especially in the face of known (coming) difficulties with a federal budget. It wasn’t for training.
Even if the irrational consumer behavior is based on a rational fear, the behavior itself is still irrational, and it’s still what is causing the shortage.
Just why the hell do we even need a DHS police force for?
This is nothing but a domestic paramilitary force in the mold of the SS. This is insane.
Can we find out where all this ammo is stored? DHS doesn’t have ‘reservations’ like the military does. Seems like a great opportunity for severe “waste and spoilage”——keeping it in broom closets and under the bosses desk?
I read a lot on gun forums about that happening with all brands of .22 ammo that's sold in those large boxes. However, I have fired several thousand of them over the past few years and haven't had any more misfires than I would expect to have with the more expensive stuff, which is very few. Maybe I've just been lucky, or maybe my little 1940's vintage Mossberg rifle has a stronger firing pin spring than newer rifles have. It's the most accurate .22 rifle I have ever owned, and that includes most of the big name brands at one time or another over the past 55 years that I've owned guns.
As for the current ammo shortage I don't know what's going on, but if I were a betting man (I'm not) I would put money on it having something to do with the Kenyan Kommy who has twice lied his way into our White House. Now that he's on his last term his real agenda is beginning to show through the camouflage. It's not pretty now, and it's only gonna get uglier as his time in office grows shorter. The next Congressional election may well be the most critical election in US history.