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DHS Denies Ammo Purchases Aimed at Civilians
Washington Whispers ^ | April 25, 2013 | Elizabeth Flock

Posted on 04/26/2013 8:06:28 AM PDT by yoe

Officials at the Department of Homeland Security denied Thursday that its large-scale ammunition purchases were an effort keep bullets out of the hands of private citizens.

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At a hearing on Capitol Hill Thursday, top DHS training officer Humberto Medina said he could "say categorically that was not a factor at all" in the purchases. He also noted that ammunition DHS purchased would be used for both operations and training purchases.

The ( Associated Press reported) in February that DHS was planning to buy more than 1.6 billion rounds over the next five years, a number that sparked fears of government stockpiling – which DHS previously denied to Whispers. Officials told lawmakers DHS actually was planning to buy only up to 750 million rounds.

But Rep. Darrell Issa, R-Calif., said it still looked like the government was unnecessarily amassing ammunition.

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"The idea that you have to have excess rounds, year after year, flies in the face of common sense," Issa said. Medina argued that DHS keeps a reserve of ammunition because of market fluctuations and because of past problems with vendors.

In fiscal year 2012, DHS purchased more than 103 million rounds of ammunition, to be used by about 70,000 DHS officers who are currently authorized to use weapons. Rep. Jason Chaffetz, R-Utah, said Thursday that "the math" didn't make sense, pointing out that this means an average 1300-1600 rounds per DHS officer – some 1000 rounds more than the average for an officer in the Army.

DHS agents and officers need extensive training because they are "exposed to a variety of situations" and "only have that weapon to protect their lives," Medina said. "They can't contact air support [like an officer in an army could.] They have to be proficient at a very high level."


TOPICS: Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: banglist; dhs; dhsisajoke; guncontrol; secondamendment; youwillnotdisarmus
Janet Napolitano and Janet Reno have more in common than their 'butchieness' - their adroitness at lying is mind boggling as well as their awareness of their deceit. Napolitano lays the 'field of dreams' as her boss requires it with no compulsion to honor her oath of office or the demands of safety and security for her country....just the cover for Boss Obama.
1 posted on 04/26/2013 8:06:28 AM PDT by yoe
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To: yoe

And we’d expect them to admit it because???


2 posted on 04/26/2013 8:10:30 AM PDT by null and void (Republicans create the tools of oppression and Democrats use them. Gun confiscation enables tyranny.)
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To: yoe
Yea, That's the ticket!


3 posted on 04/26/2013 8:14:00 AM PDT by darkwing104 (Let's get dangerous)
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To: yoe

In other conspiracy theory news, the Department of Health is solving obesity by buying up the national supply of potato chips.


4 posted on 04/26/2013 8:15:30 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (Making good people helpless doesnÂ’t make bad people harmless.)
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To: yoe

Why can’t the House block all this?

Find the ammo, confiscate it, and donate it to THE N.R.A.

Good campaign promise for the repugs. (never happen)


5 posted on 04/26/2013 8:16:15 AM PDT by Huebolt (A country that has tipped will fall. RIP USA)
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To: yoe
Well that cinches it.

Never believe anything until the government officially denies it.

6 posted on 04/26/2013 8:17:04 AM PDT by Lazamataz ("AP" clearly stands for American Pravda. Our news media has become completely and proudly Soviet.)
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To: yoe

I liver 60 miles north of Atlanta. Yesterday I drove up to WalMart at 6:30 AM as I have done every day for a month or two now, looking to get some 22LR ammo so my daughter and I could go plinking.

There was a Fulton County car parked outside and I didn’t think much except to think not common. Inside at the counter were 3 people lined up coveting the cart that had last nights ammo....lots this time because they’d not gotten anything in 4 days. 22LR, 223, 7.62X39, 40 S&W, 9 mm (some in 100 rd value packs), 45 ACP, 357 SIG, a lot...

One of the others was a Fulton County Detective with badge, gun, the works. He got three boxes of ammo, the limit allowed.

Somebody here besides a Rambo, ex-SWAT, SEAL, etc. tell me why you need hollow point rounds to train - why 1000 rounds? They’re more expensive and they kill that paper no more dead than a ball round.

Don’t tell me you have to ‘train with what you shoot’....you aren’t in Fallujah or raiding Osama’s compund, you aren’t up against armored perps with full auto AKs - any of that. You’re just shooting up a frigging fiberglass boat and claiming the perp inside is shooting back at you.

The results of this ‘training’ need crap are doing what they intended. Slow the ammunition flow to the public, but the unintended result is that detective had to go a long way to get his three boxes of ammo.

[BTW, I did get my 325 rd box of Remington 22LR along with a 100 rd box of 9mm, and one box of ball 45ACP...bill was $59 and change...it felt like Christmas]


7 posted on 04/26/2013 8:17:57 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: yoe

If the rounds were for practice, they would buy the less expensive round nose or semi-wadcutters instead of hollow points.


8 posted on 04/26/2013 8:18:00 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Inside every liberal and WOD defender is a totalitarian screaming to get out.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Their standard reply is “train with what you use.”


9 posted on 04/26/2013 8:19:43 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: yoe

The D in DHS stands for...DENIAL!


10 posted on 04/26/2013 8:20:09 AM PDT by PoloSec ( Believe the Gospel: how that Christ died for our sins, was buried and rose again)
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To: null and void

“I could say categorically that...”

Then say it.


11 posted on 04/26/2013 8:20:31 AM PDT by DPMD
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To: Gaffer

Besides, it’s not like they have to be frugal with taxpayer money or anything.


12 posted on 04/26/2013 8:21:28 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Inside every liberal and WOD defender is a totalitarian screaming to get out.)
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To: darkwing104

B***S****

There are liars, damned liars and then there are Obama lackeys.


13 posted on 04/26/2013 8:21:44 AM PDT by ZULU ((See: http://gatesofvienna.net/))
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To: yoe

Kind of off topic but I was out plinking yesterday and 1 out of 10 of my Winchester Wildcat .22 did not fire. Anyone else have this happen to them?


14 posted on 04/26/2013 8:25:50 AM PDT by fulltlt
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To: yoe

How can you tell when DHS is lying?

When they issue a statement.


15 posted on 04/26/2013 8:31:20 AM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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To: yoe

Thats a relief. Government is good. The more the better. /sarc.


16 posted on 04/26/2013 8:41:45 AM PDT by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: Huebolt

I’m sayin......defund DHS.


17 posted on 04/26/2013 8:42:25 AM PDT by servantboy777
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To: yoe
Who else would it be? It's not like DHS is a military force expected to fight against foreign soldiers.
No they only prepare to fight against threats to the homeland, and it's already in the works declaring all of us "threats" on some pretext or another.
DHS is like a porcupine with the quills pointing inwards, towards Americans. Very alarming.

18 posted on 04/26/2013 8:53:54 AM PDT by BitWielder1 (Corporate Profits are better than Government Waste)
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To: yoe

all they had to do is redefine “civilian” to make this statement a non-lie.

Aimed at civilians? no.
Aimed at “enemy combatants?” Yes1

Enemy Combatants = Tea Partiers, Christians, Conservatives, etc.


19 posted on 04/26/2013 8:56:49 AM PDT by SparkyBass
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To: yoe
Well of course the ammo purchases aren't "aimed at civilians".

But the ammo soon will be......

20 posted on 04/26/2013 9:03:35 AM PDT by jeffc (The U.S. media are our enemy)
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To: Gaffer
[BTW, I did get my 325 rd box of Remington 22LR along with a 100 rd box of 9mm, and one box of ball 45ACP...bill was $59 and change...it felt like Christmas]

I hate you.

21 posted on 04/26/2013 9:05:11 AM PDT by Yo-Yo
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To: yoe

The entire Obama administration lies about the time of day. I wouldn’t trust their statements on anything.


22 posted on 04/26/2013 9:06:13 AM PDT by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off.)
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To: Lazamataz
It might not really be too unbelievable. Everything that I've seen that mentions anything other that the number of “rounds” says that DHS is buying all 40 cal. ammo. I can't see where they'd be interrupting the 22lr, .380, .32 supply line and stuff like that. I have seen nothing about DHS ordering any 5.56 although I have seen where they ordered a bunch of AR and M4 rifles.
And, after the display of marksmanship the government shooters put on last week with the Boston Bomber gunfight-what was it 12 hits out of 200 rounds fired-it’s not unbelievable that they really are using the stuff for target practice.
23 posted on 04/26/2013 9:06:30 AM PDT by skimbell
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To: yoe

What is this love affair the Democrat Communists have with lying butch dykes?


24 posted on 04/26/2013 9:07:32 AM PDT by pallis
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To: yoe

They are for future rat hunts! The Rats are taking over this country and other methods of rodent control do not appear to be keeping the population in check.


25 posted on 04/26/2013 9:12:07 AM PDT by tired&retired
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To: yoe

National Socialist German Workers party circa 1930’s, “We aren’t planning on invading anyone!”
Not too long later: “Surprise! We lied! Hi France, would you wear this maid outfit for us please?”

DHS and Napolitano, “We aren’t planning on going after American citizens, honest!”


26 posted on 04/26/2013 9:12:44 AM PDT by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free.....)
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To: yoe

Liars and damned liars are in charge of our nation and they want to intimidate us and if that doesn’t work they’ll end up killing us.

Tea Party united with Oath Keepers!


27 posted on 04/26/2013 9:22:32 AM PDT by IbJensen (Liberals are like Slinkies, good for nothing, but you smile as you push them down the stairs.)
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To: null and void

When the sold the guns to Mexico they didn’t add the ammo now they can double up on the $$$$$$.


28 posted on 04/26/2013 9:24:20 AM PDT by Vaduz
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To: pallis

Morally compromised people are easier to manipulate and control.


29 posted on 04/26/2013 9:26:26 AM PDT by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free.....)
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To: yoe

If and when the White House changes parties a lot of this ammo is liable to end up on the U.S. retail market as surplus.


30 posted on 04/26/2013 9:35:05 AM PDT by Brad from Tennessee (A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.)
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To: fulltlt

RE: your misfires on .22 rounds... I am seeing that occur occasionally with my BSA Rifle Shooting MB training. We shoot single shot bolt action rifles. Trigger pull / ‘click’/ count to ‘30’ / extract / confirm firing pin strike / rotate cartridge 90 degrees and reload - fires..... What is happening is in the manufacturing process. The primer media is not getting distributed evenly in the rim and you have a void. The round is only ‘slightly defective’. If, after a second or third ‘misfire’. Destroy the cartridge.


31 posted on 04/26/2013 9:38:05 AM PDT by UPcrawfish
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To: BitWielder1

One of the issues with DHS is that it HAS to have an enemy to exist. If there is no enemy then it would be shut down.

If all of the world’s terrorists died tomorrow whomever is next on the list would just move up and be their new, top enemy.

Currently - that’s white American christians. (Some may say it already is)

The real issue is that DHS has to be dissolved. A failed experiment. A dangerous idea. 5 bombers under Obama in the US already and the DHS is still clueless.

Shut it down.


32 posted on 04/26/2013 9:38:36 AM PDT by Noamie
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To: yoe

Looking at the sheer number of rounds fired at that one unarmed terrorist without one kill shot makes me realize that they need all of the ammo they can get. They really suck so bad.

The good news? We have nothing to fear from these clowns if a real civil war began.


33 posted on 04/26/2013 9:41:08 AM PDT by Noamie
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To: UPcrawfish

A misfire always bugs me. Even if I can’t get it to fire on the 2nd or 3rd try I still treat it like a themo-nuclear bomb.


34 posted on 04/26/2013 9:44:17 AM PDT by Noamie
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To: Gaffer

“The results of this ‘training’ need crap are doing what they intended. Slow the ammunition flow to the public, but the unintended result is that detective had to go a long way to get his three boxes of ammo.”

Nonsense. The government’s purchases are a drop in the bucket. The real cause of the shortage is exactly what you saw yesterday, private citizens lining up to buy up the entire stock of a store as soon as it comes in. As long as there is panic buying and stockpiling by the public, the shortage will continue, because that is what is driving it.


35 posted on 04/26/2013 9:47:33 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: yoe
DHS does not need more ammo/agent than USA military; Period. They are deliberately attempting to hoard the available ammo supply so that 'We The People' _and_ USA military cannot counter their _homeland_ activities.
36 posted on 04/26/2013 9:57:05 AM PDT by veracious
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To: UPcrawfish

I had 3 misfires on the same cartridge. Yes, firing pin was striking. I did rotate it to get a strike in a different spot. This was with a Ruger 10/22 using Winchester Wildcat ammo. After that I gave up on it.


37 posted on 04/26/2013 10:26:31 AM PDT by fulltlt
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To: Boogieman

Public demand DUE to not believing DHS is telling the truth, especially in the face of known (coming) difficulties with a federal budget. It wasn’t for training.


38 posted on 04/26/2013 10:41:20 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Gaffer

Even if the irrational consumer behavior is based on a rational fear, the behavior itself is still irrational, and it’s still what is causing the shortage.


39 posted on 04/26/2013 11:02:32 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: yoe

Just why the hell do we even need a DHS police force for?

This is nothing but a domestic paramilitary force in the mold of the SS. This is insane.


40 posted on 04/26/2013 12:51:48 PM PDT by headstamp 2 (What would Scooby do?)
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To: yoe

Can we find out where all this ammo is stored? DHS doesn’t have ‘reservations’ like the military does. Seems like a great opportunity for severe “waste and spoilage”——keeping it in broom closets and under the bosses desk?


41 posted on 04/26/2013 1:26:00 PM PDT by cherokee1 (skip the names---just kick the buttz)
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To: fulltlt
1 out of 10 of my Winchester Wildcat .22 did not fire.

I read a lot on gun forums about that happening with all brands of .22 ammo that's sold in those large boxes. However, I have fired several thousand of them over the past few years and haven't had any more misfires than I would expect to have with the more expensive stuff, which is very few. Maybe I've just been lucky, or maybe my little 1940's vintage Mossberg rifle has a stronger firing pin spring than newer rifles have. It's the most accurate .22 rifle I have ever owned, and that includes most of the big name brands at one time or another over the past 55 years that I've owned guns.

As for the current ammo shortage I don't know what's going on, but if I were a betting man (I'm not) I would put money on it having something to do with the Kenyan Kommy who has twice lied his way into our White House. Now that he's on his last term his real agenda is beginning to show through the camouflage. It's not pretty now, and it's only gonna get uglier as his time in office grows shorter. The next Congressional election may well be the most critical election in US history.

42 posted on 04/27/2013 7:41:14 AM PDT by epow (I'm not waiting for the undertaker, I'm looking for the Upper Taker)
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