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At Boston's bombing scene: Catholic priests need not apply
Catholic Culture ^ | April 26, 2013 | Phil Lawler

Posted on 04/27/2013 7:45:25 AM PDT by bboop

Writing in the Wall Street Journal, Jennifer Graham tells me something that I hadn’t heard about Boston Marathon bombing. As dozens of victims were sprawled across Boylston Street, many of them in danger of death, Catholic priests came running to the scene—and were turned away.

Doctors and nurses were welcome at the bombing scene. Firefighters and police officers were welcome. But Catholic priests, who might have offered the solace of the sacraments, were not.

”Catholics need not apply.” That slogan was familiar in Boston years ago, before Irish and Italian immigrants took over control of the city. Now, after decades of decline in Catholic influence , the attitude has returned. One priest who was barred from Boylston Street remarked that in the past a priest was admitted anywhere. “That’s changed,” he said. “Priests are no longer considered to be emergency responders.”

Unless police officers in Boston are uniquely hostile to priests (a distinct possibility), the tide has turned very quickly on this question. On September 11, 2001, there were Catholic priests at the staging areas near the World Trade Center, giving absolution to firefighters before they rushed into the doomed building: mass-producing saints!

Unable to provide spiritual help to those whose lives were endangered, the priests in Boston retreated to a nearby church, were they “set up a table with water and oranges and bananas to serve people.” Doesn’t that nicely capture what a once-Catholic, now-secular culture expects from the Church? It’s not essential for priests to administer the sacraments; in fact it’s unwelcome. But if they could just stay out of the way, and give people something to eat, that would be fine.

Jennifer Graham captures the problem well:

But it is a poignant irony that Martin Richard, the 8-year-old boy who died on Boylston Street, was a Catholic who had received his first Communion just last year. As Martin lay dying, priests were only yards away, beyond the police tape, unable to reach him to administer last rites…


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bombing; boston; bostonbombing; bostonmarathon; catholic; christian; firstresponders; lastrites; priests; sacraments; tsarnaev
How can this be right?
1 posted on 04/27/2013 7:45:25 AM PDT by bboop
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To: bboop

Turned away because they were priests or because they were not medical personnel?


2 posted on 04/27/2013 7:48:03 AM PDT by svcw (If you are dead when your heart stops, why aren't you alive when it starts.)
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To: bboop

Why is anyone surprised? Massachusetts — and the Boston area in particular — is a bastion of radical secularism.


3 posted on 04/27/2013 7:48:25 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("I am the master of my fate ... I am the captain of my soul.")
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To: bboop

My brother died 2 1/2 years ago, my sister died last week the first thing I asked for them was a Priest.

Christians are under attack.

There is no doubt of it.


4 posted on 04/27/2013 7:52:15 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: Venturer

My condolences.


5 posted on 04/27/2013 7:53:19 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: bboop

This is so incredibly sad.


6 posted on 04/27/2013 7:53:48 AM PDT by PatriotGirl827 (O Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee)
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To: bboop

A perfect example of how the body is everything to modern people and the soul nothing. The cult of the body. Early in “The Gospel Of Life”, Pope John Paul II writes about how secularism breeds materialism and utilitarianism and an obsession with productivity and efficiency as the more profound dimensions of man, the spiritual life and the soul fall away.


7 posted on 04/27/2013 7:57:01 AM PDT by MDLION ("Trust in the Lord with all your heart" -Proverbs 3:5)
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To: bboop
Who made that decision?
Names, please.

The perverts have taken control of disaster scenes now, too?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't catholic chaplains essential in battle zones (as well as other chaplains) in clearly danger zones?

8 posted on 04/27/2013 7:58:42 AM PDT by publius911 (Look for the Union label, then buy something else.)
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To: bboop

“How can this be right?”

It’s not right. It’s terribly wrong. God is not going to bless our country.

Batten down the hatches! Obama and Islam are taking us to the bottom!


9 posted on 04/27/2013 8:00:16 AM PDT by abclily
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To: bboop
Fr. Mychal Judge died on 9-11-2001 trying to save lives and souls. Boston is a disgrace to his memory.
10 posted on 04/27/2013 8:05:54 AM PDT by mardi59 (IMPEACH OBAMA NOW!!!!!)
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To: svcw
Turned away because they were priests or because they were not medical personnel?

If I, or any loved one who has reached the age of reason could only have a doctor or a priest but not both, I would choose the priest.
11 posted on 04/27/2013 8:06:45 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana (HRC:"Sometimes she looks like a primary schoolgirl and sometimes a pensioner going shopping,"-NKorea)
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To: bboop

My question is, why did the priests accept this? As far as I’m concerned, they should have just forced their way through. Is obedience to the government higher in their priorities than obedience to God?


12 posted on 04/27/2013 8:10:41 AM PDT by Doug Loss
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To: Alberta's Child

“...Why is anyone surprised? Massachusetts — and the Boston area in particular — is a bastion of radical secularism....”

Why is anyone surprised? Taxsachusetts — and the Boston area in particular — is a bastion of radical communism.
There, fixed it.


13 posted on 04/27/2013 8:14:46 AM PDT by lgjhn23 (It's easy to be liberal when you're dumber than a box of rocks.)
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To: bboop
It reminds me of a scene in Msgr. Hugh Benson's 1907 futuristic apocolyptic novel "Lord of the World." There is some kind of aviation disaster that destroys a section of the city (London, I believe). The clerics of the World Humanist Religion are going around euthanizing survivors, while a few Catholic priests (the Catholic Church being illegal) are striving to get into the disaster area and pray and administer the Last Rites.

I don't know what the projected date of this novel was supposed to be, but it was during the predicted Last Days,and it sure seems to be happening now.

14 posted on 04/27/2013 8:15:27 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (" If they refuse to listen even to the Church, treat them as you would a pagan or a tax collector.")
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To: bboop

The parents of that slain Catholic 8-yr old boy should sue the city of Boston for preventing her son from his Last Rites, as a Catholic priest was mere steps away and was not allowed into the zone by the heroic first responders.


15 posted on 04/27/2013 8:37:15 AM PDT by Zuben Elgenubi
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To: Dr. Sivana

Ditto.

eg. Fr. Emil Kapaun


16 posted on 04/27/2013 8:38:13 AM PDT by reagandemocrat
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To: svcw

Administering last rites is infinitely more important than medical care when the injured is going to die.

What happened is that the priests and the Catholic community especially in and around the Northeast, have not done anything to catechize the congregation. Boston Catholics (like New York Catholics) are under the impression that Catholicism is democratic. it is not. They think if they pout and hate priests, the Church will change its rules. This, however, is impossible.

So,as smart as they are, all those nurses etc, they are fatally ignorant and negligent keeping the priests from doing their job.

In 911, Fr. Judge lead the charge for this, and he was killed on the job.

But, liberalism having invaded the Church, is to blame.


17 posted on 04/27/2013 8:42:45 AM PDT by stanne
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To: Zuben Elgenubi

This, my FRiend, is simply outrageous.

Zero bends over backwards for Islam, allowing Jihadists to terrorize us, but denies an 8 year old Catholic victim his Last Rites.

Words fail.


18 posted on 04/27/2013 8:43:26 AM PDT by reagandemocrat
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To: Doug Loss

Matthew 10:14
King James Version (KJV)
14 And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet.


19 posted on 04/27/2013 8:52:26 AM PDT by mardi59 (IMPEACH OBAMA NOW!!!!!)
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To: Doug Loss

Ding, ding, ding, we have a winner! Exactly Correct. While I am not a Catholic (a hated protestant) I would find comfort in a priest ministering to me at such a time. If a loved one of mine lay dying on the sidewalk I would welcome a priest administering last rites even though it is not a practice of my religion. What HARM could it do? Might it comfort someone at a time they most need it?

I thought Boston was a Catholic bastion.


20 posted on 04/27/2013 8:58:45 AM PDT by faucetman ( Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts)
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To: mardi59

pull quoting. This verse has nothing to do with this situation.


21 posted on 04/27/2013 9:00:38 AM PDT by faucetman ( Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts)
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To: bboop

They would have welcomed an Imam coming to the site to praise Allah for the death and dismemberment of the Infidels!


22 posted on 04/27/2013 9:09:46 AM PDT by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed &water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: svcw

oh, and they’re mad about their wanting to be licentious and the Church not approving.

They want forgiveness and absolution without repentance.

They want Church approval for Birth control, denigration of marriage, homosexual behavior and abortion. And they are having a tantrum to the extent that they would deprive a boy from last rites.

It is pure evil. THey might not realize how evil it is but it is pure evil.


23 posted on 04/27/2013 9:15:07 AM PDT by stanne
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To: faucetman

pull quoting. This verse has nothing to do with this situatio

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The quote is relevant to this situation. Where the words of the disciples were not being accepted they were told to leave and shake the dust from their shoes. The priests were going there to save souls and they were turned away. What were they supposed to do, pull guns and say “let me through”? No, they shook the dust from their shoes and found another way to give comfort to those that sought it.

The words of the Lord are relevant in any situation.


24 posted on 04/27/2013 9:27:50 AM PDT by mardi59 (IMPEACH OBAMA NOW!!!!!)
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To: bboop
While the article is shocking at first glance, most Catholics know that this is how it will be in the coming last days.

This is grievous persecution. How many would have cried out ..."Father, Father...help me ...pray for me."

An eight year old Catholic boy lay dieing and the government stops a priest to be an attendant at the boy's side.

It is an interesting psychological trauma inflicted on the victims. An interesting vacume created in the evil chaos.


25 posted on 04/27/2013 9:35:39 AM PDT by EBH (Warning this person is a Catholic, Tea Party Patriot, and owns a copy of Atlas Shurgged)
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To: NYer; Salvation; marshmallow

For your lists.


26 posted on 04/27/2013 9:43:58 AM PDT by verga (A nation divided by Zero!)
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To: faucetman
I thought Boston was a Catholic bastion.

Think Kenndy's, Catholic in name only

27 posted on 04/27/2013 9:48:12 AM PDT by verga (A nation divided by Zero!)
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To: bboop

Standard procedure for bombings against civilians. Terrorists plant bombs to target first responders.


28 posted on 04/27/2013 10:29:01 AM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: bboop

The fact that the writer pretends that this only involves ministers from the catholic denomination says a lot, it is no wonder that the Catholic bastion is also a democrat bastion.

Massachusetts is the most Catholic state in America, and this writer is an example of why conservatism is almost non existing in this home of Catholics, his misleading article and his sole focus on Catholic Priests seems to reveal something about Boston and Massachusetts, it is about “Catholic” rather than “Christian”.


29 posted on 04/27/2013 10:43:25 AM PDT by ansel12 (Civilization, Crusade against the Mohammedan Death Cult)
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To: mardi59
“The words of the Lord are relevant in any situation.”

I agree with that statement.

If that verse speaks to you in that way, it's okay with me.

I mean no disrespect toward you, but for others reading it, they should know it is not relevant to this case.

Mathew 10

6 Go rather to the lost sheep of Israel.

Stop right there! Jesus is sending them to the JEWS only, not gentiles.

7 As you go, proclaim this message: ‘The kingdom of heaven has come near.’ 8 Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse those who have leprosy,[a] drive out demons. Freely you have received; freely give.

9 “Do not get any gold or silver or copper to take with you in your belts— 10 no bag for the journey or extra shirt or sandals or a staff, for the worker is worth his keep.”

Stop right there! Jesus is instructing them that they should expect and rely on the generosity of others to sustain them on their journey including lodging.

11 Whatever town or village you enter, search there for some worthy person and stay at their house until you leave. 12 As you enter the home, give it your greeting. 13 If the home is deserving, let your peace rest on it; if it is not, let your peace return to you.

Stop! “stay at their house”, “enter the home”, “ give it your greeting” ( it = home), “If the home is deserving”, Jesus is talking about a HOME.

” 14 If anyone will not welcome you or listen to your words, leave that home or town”

Stop right there! Ah hah! gotcha. He said home OR TOWN as in Boston Town. No, I think the meaning here is clear. They are to seek a (Jewish, remember) home that will receive them. If it doesn't they likely would leave shake the dust off their feet and try another home. If they found no home accepting of them they were to leave that town and shake the dust off their feet.

“and shake the dust off your feet. 15 Truly I tell you, it will be more bearable for Sodom and Gomorrah on the day of judgment than for that town.”

Here I would think that it would only “be more bearable for Sodom and Gomorrah...than..” for the TOWN not for an individual home. He doesn't address what the fate of an individual home would be, but I think it wouldn't be good.

So, as a metaphor this really doesn't work. You can MAKE it work, if you torture the meaning, but I doubt that was His intention. This is why I don't like “pull quoting” ONE verse and not including the context. THE CONTEXT MATTERS! Otherwise you can make the bible say whatever YOU (empirical you), want it to say instead of what God wants it to say.

In this case no harm, no foul, but always defending God's word is important.

30 posted on 04/27/2013 11:48:08 AM PDT by faucetman ( Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts)
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To: faucetman

Sad to say that so many have lost their way. I’m heartbroken they didn’t allow the priests to do what should have been done. It just makes me work all the harder to gain Heaven. It also is giving us a glimpse into what the world is going to be like once we are gone.

God bless FRiend, and I hope to meet you in Heaven someday. :)


31 posted on 04/27/2013 11:55:36 AM PDT by mardi59 (IMPEACH OBAMA NOW!!!!!)
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To: bboop; verga; netmilsmom; thefrankbaum; Tax-chick; GregB; saradippity; Berlin_Freeper; Litany; ...
h/t to freeper verga for the ping.

From what I read on a different thread, the argument made was that anyone can purchase a clerical collar for $10 and use it as an excuse to move among the dead and dying. The sad aspect of this, however, is that the young boy was denied the Last Rites Sacrament.

Catholic Ping
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32 posted on 04/27/2013 12:20:14 PM PDT by NYer (Beware the man of a single book - St. Thomas Aquinas)
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To: faucetman

I’m a baptist, and not too worried about last rites for myself...but it is obscene to prevent Catholic priests from ministering - and giving last rites, if needed. And like some others on this thread, if I had to choose between a Catholic Priest and a doctor as my last sight on earth...I’ll go with the former. At least he would be someone who probably believes in God the Father, the Son & the Holy Ghost!

I’d rather hear “Go to God and trust Him!” than “This one’s a goner - bring me someone else!”


33 posted on 04/27/2013 12:31:35 PM PDT by Mr Rogers (Liberals are like locusts...)
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To: faucetman

I’ll add my wife is both a baptist and a nurse, and she has yet to have a Catholic reject her offer of prayer...


34 posted on 04/27/2013 12:33:51 PM PDT by Mr Rogers (Liberals are like locusts...)
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To: ansel12

I think the focus was on priests because they alone can administer ‘Last Rites’, a Sacrament, to a dying Catholic. In days past, people understood this, in our time people hardly know God and that goes for many faux Catholics.


35 posted on 04/27/2013 12:34:28 PM PDT by pbear8 (the Lord is my light and my salvation)
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To: mardi59

Doesn’t apply. They ones in need of the priests’ immediate attention didn’t turn away from them, they were prevented from receiving that attention by others. The priests had a duty to disobey the civil authorities and to perform their sacramental rites.


36 posted on 04/27/2013 3:28:03 PM PDT by Doug Loss
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To: bboop
"But it is a poignant irony that Martin Richard, the 8-year-old boy who died on Boylston Street, was a Catholic who had received his first Communion just last year. As Martin lay dying, priests were only yards away, beyond the police tape, unable to reach him to administer last rites…"

"How can this be right?"

Right it is not. Absolutely unconscionable. Sounds like the Boston police need more training, and possibly a whack on the back of the head from the priests of those cops who are Catholic.

37 posted on 04/27/2013 5:59:13 PM PDT by Wonder Warthog
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To: ansel12

The writer was merely reporting. Priests are important because only they can give the last sacraments to people, and if possible Catholics do not want to die without the last rites (which in some cases include confession).

Protestant ministers may be equally good at comforting people, but that’s not what the sacraments are about and is not the purpose of having a priest come to the scene of a place where people are dying.

Catholic priests are famous for getting into the line of danger themselves in order to minister to the dying, and in fact a Catholic chaplain (who himself was killed) is in the process of canonization for this. They know the risks but they also know the importance of the sacraments, and keeping them out is just simply wrong.


38 posted on 04/28/2013 6:24:44 AM PDT by livius
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To: livius

Catholic ministers are no different than Protestant ministers and chaplains in exposing themselves to danger, your post is so fitting in making my point.


39 posted on 04/28/2013 10:56:46 AM PDT by ansel12 (Civilization, Crusade against the Mohammedan Death Cult)
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To: ansel12

I didn’t say they were different in exposing themselves to danger, just that their duties were different. Catholics often wear or carry something that instructs first responders to call a priest, because they wanted the last rites if they remained conscious long enough and at least to be annointed if they were no longer conscious and couldn’t respond.

So denying Catholic priests entry to these sites is not just depriving people of a comforting presence, as it would be in the case of a Protestant who might like to be accompanied by his minister, but depriving them of a vital sacrament. Obviously, God will work it out; but one of the prayers of a Catholic was always to be protected from a “sudden and unprovided death,” meaning one that did not give them time to repent or receive the sacraments.

Of course, now that the State thinks it is the all in all, I guess we’re just supposed to back off and let Homeland Security handle it...


40 posted on 04/28/2013 5:37:01 PM PDT by livius
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To: bboop
Previously posted here.
41 posted on 04/30/2013 11:00:58 PM PDT by Dajjal (Justice Robert Jackson was wrong -- the Constitution IS a suicide pact.)
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To: Dajjal

Probably posted by an east-coaster before the sun was up here in Collyfornia.


42 posted on 05/01/2013 6:47:23 AM PDT by bboop (does not suffer fools gladly)
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