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A Battered Dream, Then a Violent Path (Did Tamerlan go nuts because he was barred from boxing?)
New York Times ^ | 04/27/2013 | DEBORAH SONTAG, DAVID M. HERSZENHORN and SERGE F. KOVALESKI

Posted on 04/28/2013 6:45:51 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

BOSTON — It was a blow the immigrant boxer could not withstand: after capturing his second consecutive title as the Golden Gloves heavyweight champion of New England in 2010, Tamerlan Anzorovich Tsarnaev, 23, was barred from the national Tournament of Champions because he was not a United States citizen.

The cocksure fighter, a flamboyant dresser partial to white fur and snakeskin, had been looking forward to redeeming the loss he suffered the previous year in the first round, when the judges awarded his opponent the decision, drawing boos from spectators who considered Mr. Tsarnaev dominant.

From one year to the next, though, the tournament rules had changed, disqualifying legal permanent residents — not only Mr. Tsarnaev, who was Soviet-born of Chechen and Dagestani heritage, but several other New England contenders, too. His aspirations frustrated, he dropped out of boxing competition entirely, and his life veered in a completely different direction.

Mr. Tsarnaev portrayed his quitting as a reflection of the sport’s incompatibility with his growing devotion to Islam. But as dozens of interviews with friends, acquaintances and relatives from Cambridge, Mass., to Dagestan showed, that devotion, and the suspected radicalization that accompanied it, was a path he followed most avidly only after his more secular dreams were dashed in 2010 and he was left adrift.

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Tamerlan Tsarnaev, right, lost at the Golden Gloves championships in 2009. A year later, a new citizenship rule blocked him.
1 posted on 04/28/2013 6:45:51 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Poor Baby. How we failed him is so sad. Did that widdle boy need more hugs?


2 posted on 04/28/2013 6:52:09 AM PDT by Gadsden1st
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To: SeekAndFind

“barred from the national tournament of champions”

but not barred from “the international tournament of chumps”


3 posted on 04/28/2013 6:52:43 AM PDT by urbanpovertylawcenter (where the law and poverty collide in an urban setting and sparks fly)
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To: Gadsden1st

The poor guy was a victim of biased immigration laws. Can’t blame him for blowing people up.


4 posted on 04/28/2013 6:53:52 AM PDT by Rennes Templar (If guns kill people, how come no one dies at gun shows?)
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To: SeekAndFind
Tamerlan Anzorovich Tsarnaev, 23, was barred from the national Tournament of Champions because he was not a United States citizen.

He was denied citizenship because he beat the sh*t out of his girlfriend. His brother was granted citizenship. This was a sick sociopath who would have killed someone eventually, no matter where or when. Islam provided a path that justified killing 8 year olds, and he was on his way.

5 posted on 04/28/2013 6:54:30 AM PDT by montag813
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To: SeekAndFind

Garbage.

His “attitude” pre-dated his arrival in the US.

Read the statements made by his mother and his father.

What do those statements have to do with boxing?

The NYT is infested with idiots, Marxist fellow travellers and losers.


6 posted on 04/28/2013 6:54:34 AM PDT by old curmudgeon
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To: SeekAndFind

I DON’T CARE WHY HE DID IT........three people are dead and a couple of hundred are injured. I am glad he’s dead so we don’t have to spend money housing him and defending him.


7 posted on 04/28/2013 6:55:48 AM PDT by originalbuckeye (Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the enemy)
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To: Gadsden1st

“Mr. Tsarnaev now lies in the state medical examiner’s office, his body riddled with bullets after a confrontation with the police four days after the bombings”

I say again: His body smashed from his brother running him down and dragging him down the street.


8 posted on 04/28/2013 6:56:45 AM PDT by Gadsden1st
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To: SeekAndFind

Here we go with the kvetching about his ‘environment’, what WE did wrong to him, how society failed him...blah, blah, blah, blah, blah effing blah....

He and his brother, with momma’s encouragement apparently, did what they did because of words of perversion and oppression written in a filthy book told him to do it.

If the words weren’t enough, he had Imams there to twist and focus the words on hatred and Jihad against infidels, and likely many others there to help him make the bombs, finance his living, buy him a car - the whole nine yards.

Islam did this - nothing else.


9 posted on 04/28/2013 7:01:02 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: SeekAndFind

Don’t even think of making excuses for this murderer.


10 posted on 04/28/2013 7:02:18 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Gadsden1st

I guess the authorities 1) want credit and, 2) want his death to be martyr-like so he can get his 72 virgins.

I don’t think your chickenshit brother running over you in a SUV qualifies for martyrdom.


11 posted on 04/28/2013 7:02:30 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: old curmudgeon

Well, we now see the Big Media spin on the terrorists - it was BOXING that made the brothers become pressure-cooker-bombin’ radicals! Man these media creeps are desperate.

Anything to avoid mentioning the FACT that the common thread in all these terrorist attacks upon the US is that THE PERPETRATORS WERE ISLAMIC TERRORISTS. Not Christian terrorists, not Buddhist terrorists, not Jewish terrorists, not Sikh terrorists, but ISLAMIC terrorists.

Can’t be repeated enough - don’t let Big Media try to change the subject again!!


12 posted on 04/28/2013 7:04:47 AM PDT by canuck_conservative
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To: SeekAndFind

As usual, the New York Times defends enemies of our country.

Never forget that this is what these terrorists did to our fellow Americans:

http://cryptome.org/2013-info/04/boston-bombs/boston-bombs.htm


13 posted on 04/28/2013 7:06:18 AM PDT by DJ Taylor (Once again our country is at war, and once again the Democrats have sided with our enemy.)
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To: SeekAndFind
Yes! TamTam made bombs and blew the legs off of joggers in Boston because he wasn't allowed to box in Golden Gloves back in 2010. That and because he was a muslim terrorist.

LOL, please forgive me S&F. I've been positively sarcastic and nasty lately. I've fallen into the mindset that all these ridiculously idiotic liberal propaganda stories deserve equally ridiculous responses. Keep on doing what you are doing, SeekAndFind- shining the light on the festering left.

14 posted on 04/28/2013 7:07:56 AM PDT by Casie (democrats destroy)
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To: SeekAndFind

EVERYBODY GETS AN AWARD!

15 posted on 04/28/2013 7:08:42 AM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: SeekAndFind

Well now, this totally explains the murders and maiming then.


16 posted on 04/28/2013 7:08:50 AM PDT by headstamp 2 (What would Scooby do?)
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To: SeekAndFind
The NYT, and the MSM in general, will print any explanation other than the fact that he was a Jihadist and part of a group dedicated to killing and maiming innocent Christians and especially American Christians.

They are so upset it was not a white, Christian American. Now they are beside themselves blabbering one nonsensical explanation after another.

17 posted on 04/28/2013 7:13:06 AM PDT by detective
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To: SeekAndFind; abb; weegee
when the judges awarded his opponent the decision, drawing boos from spectators who considered Mr. Tsarnaev dominant.

How rare. That never happens at boxing matches!

18 posted on 04/28/2013 7:14:01 AM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: SeekAndFind
His aspirations frustrated, he dropped out of boxing competition entirely

BS. So why didn't he turn pro? Because he was a coward, as he later proved in Boston.

19 posted on 04/28/2013 7:18:51 AM PDT by LibWhacker ("When good men who will fight are all extinct, there is no more civilization." - S. Locklin)
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To: SeekAndFind

Time to pull out the victim card for the terrorist. He didn’t get to box, his shorts were to tight, he was bullied, his mother didn’t breast feed him when he was 6! WHO CARES!! He’s a terrorist.


20 posted on 04/28/2013 7:19:52 AM PDT by mardi59 (IMPEACH OBAMA NOW!!!!!)
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To: canuck_conservative

Most people want to know the “why” of this. I don’t think that just because they are delving in to the past and reporting events in the life of the bomber, they are condoning his acts. From a psychological point of view it is of interest.

Know thine enemy


21 posted on 04/28/2013 7:23:33 AM PDT by kelly4c (http://www.freerepublic.com/perl/post?id=2900389%2C41#help)
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To: SeekAndFind
It's kind of amusing how the NY Times practically nominates the elder Borat brother for sainthood, while denouncing McVeigh as this demonic creature of the right, back in 1995:

He rented movies, playing one about a Colorado football team over and over. He wore a favorite T-shirt with a quotation from Thomas Jefferson. He once changed cheap motels so he could watch the X-rated Spice Channel. He always washed the dishes.

These seemingly ordinary activities are little pieces of the puzzle that is the greatest remaining mystery of the case charging Timothy J. McVeigh with blowing up the Federal Building in Oklahoma City, killing 168 people:

Why would he do it?

The movie is "Red Dawn," a cult classic of the far right, in which the football "Wolverines" take to the mountains as guerrillas to battle invading Soviet paratroopers. The T-shirt declared, "The tree of Liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."

And the solitary motel room and neatly stacked dishes were just part of a compulsive, lonely life marked by frustration, an obsession with guns and a growing anger at the Federal Government that finally led him, prosecutors say, to pack a rented truck with more than two tons of explosives and set it off last April 19, a strange guerrilla in his own land.


22 posted on 04/28/2013 7:27:58 AM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: SeekAndFind
PULEEEZE!!!

What is the median IQ of "journalists" these days?

Not over 80 if "journalistic" output is the measure.

vaudine

23 posted on 04/28/2013 7:29:51 AM PDT by vaudine
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To: SeekAndFind

Life hands us all disappointments of magnitude. Billions overcome them daily.

Islam recruits from those that refuse to.


24 posted on 04/28/2013 7:32:13 AM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: SeekAndFind
They pulled the same crap with the Times Square Bomber.

First, they told us it was a WHITE CHRISTIAN MAN we needed to catch.
It turned out to be a Pakistani Muslim.
So they hushed up the part about Islam and blamed it on his FORECLOSURE. An unfair foreclosure made him do it.

Now they're doing the same thing.
Profiling white Tea Party Christian gun owners...
Then when it turns out to be a Democrat, left wing Muslim Immigrant and Obama supporter... They need to think up a new reason....
So it's the Angry Boxer denied his chance bomber.

25 posted on 04/28/2013 7:43:15 AM PDT by Bon mots (The police will protect you! Like they did in Boston. Trust them...)
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To: SeekAndFind

PC is going to kill us all.

So what do the FORECLOSURE BOMBER (Times Square) and the BOXER BOMBERS (Boston Marathon) have in common?

The New York Times cannot bring itself to actually report even the obvious if it disagrees with their Liberal Lunacy!


26 posted on 04/28/2013 7:46:47 AM PDT by Bon mots (The police will protect you! Like they did in Boston. Trust them...)
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To: SeekAndFind

I heard that he read the New York Times. That’s what set him off. The New York Times must be banned!


27 posted on 04/28/2013 7:47:39 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: SeekAndFind

Nobody likes me, everybody hates me, I’m gonna go make bombs...


28 posted on 04/28/2013 7:48:59 AM PDT by informavoracious (The ancient Greeks and Romans thought they were on the "right side of history.")
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29 posted on 04/28/2013 7:49:29 AM PDT by tomkat
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To: Gaffer

“If the words weren’t enough, he had Imams there to twist and focus the words on hatred and Jihad against infidels,...”

No twisting necessary; the koran is focused on the hate and destruction of the infidel as the “prophet” himself lived.


30 posted on 04/28/2013 7:50:08 AM PDT by TalBlack (Evil doesn't have a day job.)
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To: TalBlack

Well, in a way you could say so. But there are other passages, those passages that seem peaceful and the ones that so-called moderate Muslims cling to as ‘their’ religion, while pshawing the evil parts. The refuge of scoundrels who must live in an infidel society.

The trouble with these ‘peaceful’ passages is that there is an unspoken pretext here that they are given with the assumption that the peace, et al given is ONLY for Muslims - Infidels be damned. So my take is that when a Muslim says “Peace Be Upon You” it means exactly that for Muslims, but means “we will bring the peace of Islam to you or you will die.”


31 posted on 04/28/2013 8:01:54 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: SeekAndFind

I like the way the byline includes one apparently Russian name, Serge Kovaleski, just 4 “authenticity”.
At the beginning, this read like a parody, but eventually
enough background details were included to at least make it
an “interesting read”. Surprising details, like his sitting down and playing some classical piano, are designed to wring one last tear o* sympathy *rom the reader.
Taking it all in, though, it looks like boxing served as his outlet, even prior to “radicalization”, to take out his aggressions against America. His out-o*-date,jokey/theatrical mock-pro style o*
aggression and con*rontation with opponents was ENTIRELY out o* place in any amateur sport, and should have provided the 1st big red *lag that there was a dimension missing in this man, and that, given his background, and his behavior, he was red meat 4 radicalization, ready 4 it IN HIS OWN
PSYCHE-—all these clues should’ve been alerts that would have justi*ied the appropriate LE agencies to keep a close eye on him. Had they done that, they would have been treated to the unusual sight o himsel* and his “kid brother”
wandering around the Boston Marathon *inish line, wearing backpacks..........and once they observed that.....what could LE have done,or even allowed itsel* to do, at that point????
Having said all that, it’s clear that the NYT thinks it’s just dispassionately reporting the background it discovered,
but it’s bias is clear *rom the details o* hardship.
Hey, NYT, things have been tougher 4 EVERYBODY in the last 4 years in Obamanation, and it looks even clearer that the last 4 years have not been healing ones, but even more divisive ones between the USA and “Islam”.
Oh, and by the way, a word to the 2nd banana Joe Biden, who called the Tsaernaevs, “knock-o** Jihadists”. ALL TERRORISTS ARE KNOCK-O** JIHADISTS-—MOST o them willingly knock themselves o** , but not these two. Making them even worse than the “martyrs” who directed their planes into the WTC.
These two had plans to continue their terror rampage in TIMES SQUARE.


32 posted on 04/28/2013 8:06:58 AM PDT by supremedoctrine
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To: SeekAndFind

No, Tamerlan went nuts because he is a Chechen. Chechen is Russian for murderous coward who slaughters innocent women and chlidren in the name of Mohammad who was himself a paedophile of limited intelligence who hated just about everything that is and everyone who is good in this life.

Tamerlan, as Bill O’Reilly, aptly noted a few days ago is now a resident of Hell with his other Chechen friends.


33 posted on 04/28/2013 8:34:21 AM PDT by MIchaelTArchangel (Have a wonderful day!)
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To: Gadsden1st

Having known a fair number of boxers, and having once promoted a few professional boxers, I can say that most of them have an unusual personality trait. To be good at the sport requires a level of training and dedication that leaves little room for anything else in life. Good boxers are therefore obsessive types who totally immerse themselves in the sport, and who focus all of their energy into attaining a goal. When for some reason they fall off track, either they cannot make the quality cut, or they suffer an injury, all of that focus shifts to something else to fill the void left by boxing. Often it is alcohol, drugs, or in this case perhaps radical Islam.


34 posted on 04/28/2013 8:50:29 AM PDT by PUGACHEV
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To: SeekAndFind
that devotion, and the suspected radicalization that accompanied it, was a path he followed most avidly only after his more secular dreams were dashed in 2010 and he was left adrift.

It does explain a few things.

35 posted on 04/28/2013 8:57:17 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: SeekAndFind
No, Tamerlan like most of the mass murderers in history went nuts by giving his soul to the death cult Islam.

He failed to succeed in his boxing career because he failed to complete his immigration paperwork.

He is simply a looser, gone evil.

36 posted on 04/28/2013 8:59:20 AM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: Gaffer
Well if you read the Koran chronologically you find that the “peaceful” parts are all in the beginning when Momadman was weak politically, and were officially upgraded to decidedly violent changes of mind by Allah as the Mightymadman gained political power as his army grew.

So if allah changed his mind and said don't be peaceful anymore but torture infidels if you get a chance, there is No moderate Muslim, just a waiting one.

37 posted on 04/28/2013 9:07:54 AM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: SeekAndFind

I am not making any excuses for what he did in Boston here. He was an evil psychopath.

But it must be frustrating for illegal and legal foreigners who live here, that we have this deceiptful liberal narrative that claims having a border is racist and that foreign tribes of multiculturalism are innately superior to the culture and tribe of white Americans. They put up as proff that since the majority of Americans have the majority of income and jobs, this country is racist.

The laws and constitution of this country are in conflict with liberalism’s whole political (socialism/centralized power/TRIBAL rights and wealth/property redistribution) cultural (collectivism), social (and legal reality. Their claims of third world nation or tribal superiority over America, is a big fat lie. The immigrants are here to get out of the third world gutter of poverty and slaughter.


38 posted on 04/28/2013 9:11:08 AM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: SeekAndFind

Was there anything that prevented him from becoming a PROFESSIONAL boxer - and earning money so that he didn’t have to bleed the taxpayers dry?


39 posted on 04/28/2013 9:14:19 AM PDT by Cowboy Bob (Democrats: Robbing Peter to buy Paul's vote.)
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To: Cowboy Bob

Evidently ... enough talent.


40 posted on 04/28/2013 9:26:27 AM PDT by Gadsden1st
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To: montag813

No, he was eligible for citizenship July 19, 2008 but for some reason didn’t follow through after getting his legal permenant residency. He was charged with beating his girlfriend May 2009 and the case was dismissed in 2010 making him eligible when the boxing rules changed... if he’d followed through with his citizenship two years before. These libs will twist the story every which way to take the blame off these two.

Boston bombers’ timeline:

Boston bombers’ timeline:

Oct. 21, 1986 – Big T born in Kalmykia, Russia. Mama does not dress Islamic.
March 2002 – Papa Anzor Tsarvaev and White cap seek political asylum and immigrate to US. Mama may or may not have come with them. Big T and sisters are left with aunt in Kyrgyzstan. Family gets on welfare.
July 19, 2003 – Big T, age 16, finally joins parents in US
June 2006 – Big T graduated from Cambridge Rindge and Latin high school and made friends with international students.
Sept 2006 to 2008 – Big T attends community college part time
July 19, 2008 - Big T and mama have been in America for the required 5 years so are eligible for US citizenship. Big T gets legal permanent residency. At some point mama gets US naturalization.
2008 – mama says Big T gets religion
2009 – Big T and uncle have falling out. Big T calls uncle an infidel. Big T quit work and college. Uncle says Big T getting radicalized at Cambridge mosque. Uncle’s ex-wife is daughter of high ranking CIA officer Fuller.
2009 – Katherine Russell converts to islam
April 2009 - Big T’s wrestling magazine article. Wants to represent US in Olympics and become naturalized US citizen although he doesn’t have any friends and doesn’t understand Americans. Boxing club president stated he was an underachiever because he did not dedicate himself to the proper training regimen.
May 2009 – Big T arrested for beating girlfriend
2010 – Big T’s domestic abuse case dismissed
2010 - Golden Gloves of America changed rules to ban non-US citizens at Tournament of Champions level.
2010 – boxing club owner meets Big T who dressed like he was John Travolta Saturday Night Fever on the runway
June 21, 2010 – Big T license to marry Katherine Russell of RI in Islamic ceremony and they have a daughter, Zahira.
2010 - Russia begins to notice radical change in Big T so how much time has he spent in Russia?
2009 - Big T forcing mama to wear hijabs, etc. and forces family members to quit drinking, smoking, partying in accordance of islam. Or mama became more Islamic on her own. Papa has concerns over mama’s transformation.
2011 – aunt reports Big T is praying five times daily
2011 – parents divorce and papa moves back to Russia
March 2011 - Russia intercepts calls between mama and both brothers and sends warning to FBI. Mama also on phone with another person on FBI list
April 2011 or June 2011 - FBI closes file on Big T and mama
June 2011 - White cap graduates from Cambridge Rindge and Latin high school
Sept 2011 - Russia sends second warning, this time to CIA. At some point, US officials meet with family at their home and Big T is defiant to them.
Sept 2011 to Nov 2012 – Big T and Katherine get welfare. She is working, he isn’t.
Sept 2011 to June 2012 - White cap gets failing grades in college
Sept 11, 2012 – Big T’s best friend and two other Jewish men were murdered – throats slit, marijuana and money scattered over bodies. Suspicion is now on Big T
Oct 2011 - CIA puts mama on terrorist list
Jan 12, 2012 - Big T goes to Russia. replaces his nearly expired passport from the Republic of Kyrgyzstan with a Russian one. Papa claims he was with him the whole time but US officials claim papa wasn’t in Dagestan at that time. Before leaving Russia, he applies to replace his soon to expire passport from the Republic of Kyrgyzstan with a Russian one but returns to US before receiving it.
June 2012 - Mama arrested for shoplifting
July 17, 2012 - Big T returns to US
Aug 2012 – Big T creates Youtube terrorist videos showing Imarat Kavkaz militant Islamic group from Caucasus and Abu Dujana, a jihadist leader
Sept 5, 2012 – Big T applies for US citizenship which is delayed because of closed FBI investigation
Sept 11, 2012 - White cap gets US citizenship
November 2012 - Mama in Russia
Nov 2012 – Big T rants in mosque
Nov 2012 – Big T rants at muslim shopkeeper who advertised Thanksgiving turkeys
Jan 18, 2013 – Big T rants again in mosque and is asked to leave
Feb 6, 2013 – Big T purchases fireworks


41 posted on 04/28/2013 9:27:43 AM PDT by bgill (The problem is...no one is watching the Watch List!)
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To: Gadsden1st

Heck - he may have had a point (assuming that was his motive, and I doubt it), because we didn’t let lack of citizenship keep someone out of the WH.


42 posted on 04/28/2013 9:31:58 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: SeekAndFind

His ‘Misha’ friend told him it wasn’t proper Islamic behavior.


43 posted on 04/28/2013 9:32:11 AM PDT by HollyB
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To: SeekAndFind

A lot of us suffer huge disappointments..but we don’t go blow people up. Shut up NYT. You are a disgrace.


44 posted on 04/28/2013 9:37:15 AM PDT by Earthdweller (Harvard won the election again...so what's the problem.......? Embrace a ruler today.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Beating up women (Domestic Violence) closes many doors. Poor baby! Nobody ever told him that his actions would have consequences?


45 posted on 04/28/2013 9:42:15 AM PDT by 230FMJ (...from my cold, dead, fingers.)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks SeekAndFind. Shilling in the New York Slimes, Deborah Sontag, David M. Herszenhorn and Serge F. Kovaleski:
...after capturing his second consecutive title as the Golden Gloves heavyweight champion of New England in 2010, Tamerlan Anzorovich Tsarnaev, 23, was barred from the national Tournament of Champions because he was not a United States citizen.

46 posted on 04/28/2013 10:58:09 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: penelopesire

Not sure if you got this one yet.


47 posted on 04/28/2013 12:16:27 PM PDT by AllAmericanGirl44
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To: OwenKellogg; bunster; thouworm; maggief; onyx; nutmeg; AllAmericanGirl44; ConservativeMan55; ...

Boston Bombing Ping!!

(Thanks AllAmericanGirl44)


48 posted on 04/28/2013 12:52:52 PM PDT by penelopesire (TIME FOR OBAMA TO ANSWER FOR BENGHAZI UNDER OATH!!)
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To: Lady Jag; SeekAndFind; bgill
Lady Jag posted this on another thread:

His Amazon wish list dates back to 2006 and even then he wished for anti-social items from terror manuals to Stalin’s bio. He’s been stewing for at least 7 years to acummulate bomb-making info.

Tamerlan Wish List

49 posted on 04/28/2013 1:53:15 PM PDT by thouworm (DEMOGOGUE: leader who makes use of prejudices, false claims and promises to gain power.)
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To: Gadsden1st
"I say again: His body smashed from his brother running him down and dragging him down the street."

Here's proof to back up your claim:

Bomber Got Run Over By His Brother

50 posted on 04/28/2013 1:57:46 PM PDT by 1_Rain_Drop
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