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Diagnosing the Wrong Deficit
NY Times ^ | April 27, 2013 | VATSAL G. THAKKAR

Posted on 04/28/2013 2:35:57 PM PDT by neverdem

IN the spring of 2010, a new patient came to see me to find out if he had attention-deficit hyperactivity disorder. He had all the classic symptoms: procrastination, forgetfulness, a propensity to lose things and, of course, the inability to pay attention consistently. But one thing was unusual. His symptoms had started only two years earlier, when he was 31.

Though I treat a lot of adults for attention-deficit hyperactivity disorder, the presentation of this case was a violation of an important diagnostic criterion: symptoms must date back to childhood. It turned out he first started having these problems the month he began his most recent job, one that required him to rise at 5 a.m., despite the fact that he was a night owl.

The patient didn’t have A.D.H.D., I realized, but a chronic sleep deficit...

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One study, published in 2004 in the journal Sleep, looked at 34 children with A.D.H.D. Every one of them showed a deficit of delta sleep, compared with only a handful of the 32 control subjects...

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Of the 78 children getting the tonsillectomies, 28 percent were found to have A.D.H.D., compared with only 7 percent of the control group.

Even more stunning was what the study’s authors found a year after the surgeries, when they followed up with the children. A full half of the original A.D.H.D. group who received tonsillectomies — 11 of 22 children — no longer met the criteria for the condition. In other words, what had appeared to be A.D.H.D. had been resolved by treating a sleeping problem...

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Laboratory animals die when they are deprived of delta sleep. Chronic delta sleep deficits in humans are implicated in many diseases, including depression, heart disease, hypertension, obesity, chronic pain, diabetes and cancer, not to mention thousands of fatigue-related car...

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: add; adhd; deltasleepdeficits; sleepdisorders

1 posted on 04/28/2013 2:35:57 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem

Very interesting!


2 posted on 04/28/2013 2:37:35 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Sarah is right.)
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To: Monkey Face

Relevant to your family’s involvement in the sleep lab.


3 posted on 04/28/2013 2:40:15 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Sarah is right.)
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To: neverdem

Working the slave population 24/7 to keep em docile.


4 posted on 04/28/2013 2:44:14 PM PDT by rawcatslyentist ("The arrogant one will stumble and fall With no one to raise him up" Jeremiah 50:32)
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To: neverdem

Mothers have to get those 6-week-old babies and the rest of the kids out of bed by 6AM to handover to strangers to raise down at the daycare.

No one remembers that little kids used to be in bed by 8PM and woke up on their own schedule, at about 6-7AM. With a nap, they got the sleep they needed to thrive.

Mom’s career/happiness is more important now days.


5 posted on 04/28/2013 3:47:31 PM PDT by donna (Pray for revival.)
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To: neverdem

We homeschool. They sleep. School start time is for the benefit of employers.


6 posted on 04/28/2013 3:55:54 PM PDT by WriteOn (Truth)
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To: Tax-chick

I will check with LabLady when I get home and see if she has read this article. She is usually very good at keeping up on things pertaining to unusual symptoms and sleep deprivation.

I seldom get much delta sleep so I can understand this article quite easily.

Thanks for the ping.


7 posted on 04/28/2013 3:59:41 PM PDT by Monkey Face ( The good outnumber the evil ones, and we always will.)
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8 posted on 04/28/2013 4:00:07 PM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: Monkey Face

You’re welcome. I recall that Anoreth’s life improved dramatically once she had her tonsils and adenoids out. I should have that checked on Frank, who has never slept well, when he goes to the doctor in June.


9 posted on 04/28/2013 4:01:28 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Sarah is right.)
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To: Tax-chick

My tonsils were taken out when I was 14. My current sleep problems have to do with CFIDS, and I don’t know that there is any way to rectify the sleep problems without nedication.

I do know that between the lack of sound sleep and the amount of pain I’m in on a daily basis have a direct bearing on my BP. I’m not going to allow the medicos to treat the hypertension as a disease, when it is only a symptom of something being wrong within my body.

But thanks, again for the ping.


10 posted on 04/28/2013 4:09:04 PM PDT by Monkey Face ( The good outnumber the evil ones, and we always will.)
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To: neverdem
I wonder how many children diagnosed with A.D.H.D actually were simply allowed by their idiot parents to spend half the night in their rooms playing video games...instead of sleeping...?

My bet --- Millions of them...

11 posted on 04/28/2013 4:19:24 PM PDT by Popman (Godlessness is always the first step to the concentration camp.)
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A number of studies have shown that a huge proportion of children with an A.D.H.D. diagnosis also have sleep-disordered breathing like (obstructive sleep) apnea or snoring, restless leg syndrome or non-restorative sleep, in which delta sleep is frequently interrupted.

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Attention-deficit problems are far from the only reasons to take our lack of quality sleep seriously. Laboratory animals die when they are deprived of delta sleep. Chronic delta sleep deficits in humans are implicated in many diseases, including depression, heart disease, hypertension, obesity, chronic pain, diabetes and cancer, not to mention thousands of fatigue-related car accidents each year.

If the shoe fits, fix it.

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12 posted on 04/28/2013 5:50:14 PM PDT by neverdem (Register pressure cookers! /s)
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To: neverdem

“Laboratory animals die when they are deprived of delta sleep. Chronic delta sleep deficits in humans are implicated in many diseases, including depression, heart disease, hypertension, obesity, chronic pain, diabetes and cancer, not to mention...”

As someone who suffers from a life-threatening case of Willis Eckbom Disease w/ PLMW(formerly known as Restless Leg Syndrome and Periodic Limb Movement while Awake), I know all too well of both the physical and mental affects of long-term sleep deprivation. I fully expect it will take my life.


13 posted on 04/28/2013 6:02:03 PM PDT by Kimberly GG ("Path to Citizenship" Amnesty candidates will NOT get my vote!)
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To: neverdem

All I can say is wow. This has been one of the most interesting articles I’ve ever read in connection with diabetes. In addition to all my other health problems, there is definitely a sleep problem as well.


14 posted on 04/28/2013 7:03:43 PM PDT by tob2
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To: Monkey Face

After reading this article, I can understand some of my sleep problems. Always have had a very busy dream state which seems to take up a lot of my sleep time; maybe not so much with delta state.


15 posted on 04/28/2013 7:14:31 PM PDT by tob2
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To: Kimberly GG

Has clonidine not been successful for you in treating your problem?


16 posted on 04/28/2013 7:23:44 PM PDT by ottbmare (The OTTB Mare--now a Marine Mom)
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To: donna
Mom’s career/happiness is more important now days.

Where are you getting that? There aren't too many moms these days who are throwing the kids into daycare because they want to. They're doing it in large part because Uncle Sam as well as state and local governments are taking over 60% of Dad's income in taxes, and it's a lot harder to live on one income than it was when my parents, and yours, were raising children. You may hear horror stories of selfish yuppie mothers, but they're outnumbered a thousand to one by the devoted mothers who are just trying to keep the electricity turned on.

17 posted on 04/28/2013 7:54:00 PM PDT by ottbmare (The OTTB Mare--now a Marine Mom)
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18 posted on 04/28/2013 9:31:45 PM PDT by neverdem (Register pressure cookers! /s)
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To: ottbmare

Thanks! I have tried it....30+ yrs and everything from soup to nuts, marij. to methadone...Dopamine Agonist worked for a little while, but now, nothing stops the severe involuntary movement and nothing puts me to sleep despite the involuntary movement...except anesthesia.


19 posted on 04/28/2013 9:52:45 PM PDT by Kimberly GG ("Path to Citizenship" Amnesty candidates will NOT get my vote!)
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To: ottbmare

Do you have a link to such a study?

Women are pulling their sleepy kids out of bed, throwing them into the car, and delivering the kids to strangers to be raised. That’s abuse.


20 posted on 04/29/2013 1:58:00 AM PDT by donna (Pray for revival.)
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To: donna

Why are you so hostile toward women who have to work to put a roof over their heads? If you have a husband who can support you and your children, if he didn’t lose his job during the recession, congratulations. Not everyone is so fortunate. If you have a proposal for how people are supposed to get money for food without recourse to welfare or a job, I think we’d all love to hear it.

Very few mothers like the idea of daycare. I don’t personally know anyone who is happy about it. But since you’ve used the word “abuse” to characterize women who have recourse to daycare, let me say it’s probably more abusive to allow the heat or lights to go out, or to have to live in Section Eight housing, because Mom refuses to get a job.


21 posted on 04/29/2013 6:51:20 AM PDT by ottbmare (The OTTB Mare--now a Marine Mom)
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To: ottbmare

You just think I’m hostile because the truth hurts.

Children need sleep and their mothers are not giving it to them. The only reason for such a problem is the selfishness of the mothers.


22 posted on 04/29/2013 9:11:25 AM PDT by donna (Pray for revival.)
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To: donna
I think that kids have always gotten up at 6 in the morning, and nothing stops a mother from putting her children to bed earlier at night. I think that you have no way of knowing what time every working mother in the US puts her kids to bed, so you can't make such blanket condemnations. I think there are some mothers who are selfish, but it's far more selfish to let kids lose their homes, go without electricity, or live on welfare in Section 8 housing because Mom wants to stay home with them.

You still haven't told us what your proposed solution is for mothers. Where are they supposed to get money if they don't work? Welfare?

23 posted on 04/29/2013 9:56:42 AM PDT by ottbmare (The OTTB Mare--now a Marine Mom)
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To: ottbmare
I think that kids have always gotten up at 6 in the morning, and nothing stops a mother from putting her children to bed earlier at night. I think that you have no way of knowing what time every working mother in the US puts her kids to bed, so you can't make such blanket condemnations.

The thread is about children not getting enough sleep. That makes mothers guilty, no question.

I think there are some mothers who are selfish, but it's far more selfish to let kids lose their homes, go without electricity, or live on welfare in Section 8 housing because Mom wants to stay home with them.

So, what excuse did the mothers have before Obama's economy came along?

You still haven't told us what your proposed solution is for mothers. Where are they supposed to get money if they don't work? Welfare?

Apparently, they have decided to abuse their young children to solve their problems.

24 posted on 04/29/2013 11:25:01 AM PDT by donna (Pray for revival.)
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To: donna

OK, you win. Working mothers are bad, cruel, selfish, and abusive. It’s far better to let one’s children live in Section 8 housing with the druggies and gangs than to get a job and give them a middle-class upbringing. What an ideal solution!


25 posted on 04/29/2013 12:05:46 PM PDT by ottbmare (The OTTB Mare--now a Marine Mom)
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To: ottbmare
OK, you win. Working mothers are bad, cruel, selfish, and abusive.

Selfish. They are selfish.

26 posted on 04/29/2013 12:22:54 PM PDT by donna (Pray for revival.)
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To: donna

You still have not provided suggestions for what mothers should do when they need money to pay for food, housing, and utilities, if they are not to work. What is your idea?


27 posted on 04/29/2013 1:23:51 PM PDT by ottbmare (The OTTB Mare--now a Marine Mom)
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To: ottbmare

Don’t you know?

Build a traditional values family and stick with your spouse for a lifetime. Stop abusing your children now, and they won’t abuse you in your old age. Cancel your cable TV, sell the second car, skip fast foods, etc, and live simply. Find a good church that can provide direction when times are bad.


28 posted on 04/29/2013 2:37:56 PM PDT by donna (Pray for revival.)
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To: donna
Those are all lovely suggestions but you have suggested ways of saving money, not making money without labor. I am still waiting to hear your proposal for how people are to make money without working. If you have an idea for how this is to be done, millions of us would love to hear it! Where does the food, rent, medication, heat, and clothing come from if there is no income??

There are millions of us who do not have cable, or a second car, or vacations, cell phones, fast food, new clothes, big houses, manicures, magazine subscriptions, club memberships, sports, hobbies, or any other little pleasure. Yet somehow we still have to work, because traditional values or not, good church or not, food does not magically appear on the table. The electric utility does not smile fondly and say, "Oh, we won't cut this family's lights off for nonpayment. We want to see this mother stay at home with her kids all day." Not going to happen.

You are not being realistic. Even the best church is not going to provide complete support for a family just because Mom wants to stay at home and not work.

29 posted on 04/29/2013 3:51:39 PM PDT by ottbmare (The OTTB Mare--now a Marine Mom)
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To: ottbmare

If you reject all options, then you can only give your children to someone who can feed them and let them sleep! Wouldn’t you agree?


30 posted on 04/29/2013 5:21:27 PM PDT by donna (Pray for revival.)
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To: donna

You have not made a single suggestion for a way a mother might get money to feed her children without work. I have asked repeatedly for your secret way of acquiring money and have heard nothing. I’m done. Enjoy your superiority. And do pray that you will never be forced to work for your food. Must be nice.


31 posted on 04/29/2013 7:12:08 PM PDT by ottbmare (The OTTB Mare--now a Marine Mom)
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To: ottbmare

Seriously, you cannot live a life that abuses your children. What you do, starting right now, is build a traditional family. You need to humble yourself and get your extended family involved. You need to join with your husband (who is required to bring home the bacon) to plan around the children’s needs. You can’t do it by yourself, even in good times, so jump out of that rut and live by traditional values. God will provide.


32 posted on 04/30/2013 3:46:14 PM PDT by donna (Pray for revival.)
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To: tob2

It sseems more and more people are having aleep problems.

(I would have answered you sooner but was out of the state.)

It’s an easy thing to take care of. To fend off the Evil Sleep Meanies, I take melatonin before bedtime. It helps. I take 40 mg, but most people don’t need that much. I take it because I have CFIDS, and sleep problems are a given.

I hope this atricle helps you find an answer!

‘Face


33 posted on 04/30/2013 5:40:55 PM PDT by Monkey Face ( The good outnumber the evil ones, and we always will.)
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To: donna

What if there is no extended family? Everyone is dead. What if there is no husband anymore?

You still have not said how a woman is supposed to provide for her children without working. Still waiting on that. Please suggest a fabulous home business that will provide enough income to support a couple of kids and their mother without requiring her to leave the house. Ideas are welcome.


34 posted on 04/30/2013 5:49:15 PM PDT by ottbmare (The OTTB Mare--now a Marine Mom)
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To: Monkey Face
Melatonin and some herbal tees help with sleeping. I have always had sleep problems; slept with one eye open and one ear on the alert. Now as I approach 70 and with type 2 diabetes, the bathroom beckons far too often, night and day, Wind up taking a nap or two during the day.
35 posted on 04/30/2013 6:57:55 PM PDT by tob2
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To: ottbmare

If you reject all options, then you can only give your children to someone who can feed them and let them sleep!

Wouldn’t you agree?


36 posted on 04/30/2013 7:21:15 PM PDT by donna (Pray for revival.)
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