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Immigration Bill Doesn’t Secure the Border
Heritage Foundation ^ | 4/29/2013 | James Carafano

Posted on 04/29/2013 5:33:06 AM PDT by IbJensen

Must Washington fix our broken southern border? You bet.

Will the comprehensive immigration reform bill help? You bet it won’t.

The number one flaw of the bill is it starts by giving amnesty to the unlawfully present population in the United States. As soon as the bill passes, those in the country contrary to U.S. immigration law are granted status to stay.

Amnesty immediately creates an incentive for illegal border crossings and overstays. Thus, the bill’s strategy would drive up the cost of securing the border. To make matters worse, the draft law states that anyone who was present in the U.S. before 2012 qualifies—creating massive opportunity for fraud, since there is no proof required that applicants have been here for several years.

While supporters of the bill trumpet its “border security” features, in reality, the law delivers nothing new—other than the promise of spending a lot more money and running up our debt.

The bill trashes fiscal discipline, exploiting “a loophole in the Budget Control Act (BCA) that allows Congress to spend more than allowed under the spending caps adopted in 2011.”

In other words, Washington is willing to draft a bounced check to justify an amnesty bill.

To make matters worse, there is very little likelihood that that Americans will get much for the next border security buck spent.

The Secretary of Homeland Security has repeatedly stated that our borders “have never been more secure.” In the past five years, the White House has never asked for this additional border security funding. Yet, this bill lavishes billions of additional spending on the department with no clear requirements on how the money is spent. At least $2 billion could legitimately be labeled the Secretary’s slush fund.

Supporters of the bill trumpet requirements to “certify” border security, yet its standards are in some ways weaker than existing law. Present law requires gaining “operational control” of the whole border, while this bill sets standards only for “high-risk” sectors. Since smuggling trails shift to where the security is not, even if the standards were attained in one area, the traffic would just go somewhere else.

In addition, the Department of Homeland Security has been trying unsuccessfully to define credible metrics for border security since 2004. Even if it had effective “triggers,” that does not guarantee a secure border. Border crossing conditions constantly change. Even if the goal is achieved, there is no guarantee it will stay that way.

We can do more to secure our borders. But we don’t need an amnesty bill and bogus border triggers to make our borders safe and sovereign. Nor does Washington need to throw more buckets of money toward border security.

Our government could cooperate more effectively with Mexico and the border states. Congress could modernize our legal immigrant and non-immigrant programs, including effective temporary worker programs. The government could enforce our workplace and immigration laws.

In short, the promise of border security in this case is merely an excuse for a bloated bill that would promise anything to push amnesty, regardless of cost or practicality.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Government
KEYWORDS: aliens; amnesty; carteldeocho; illegalaliens; mclame; mexicanburglars; rubio
The next time you hear Obama or one of his leftist imbeciles say how impossible immigration enforcement is, remember this simple formula: one, go to where you know aliens are; two, arrest them; three, deport them. Don’t bother asking where aliens hang out. The better question is where aren’t they hanging out. Go to a bus stop, a taco truck, a convenience store, the post office or an auto repair shop. No need to round them all up at once. Just arrest one or two every day at different locations around town and the message will soon get out.
1 posted on 04/29/2013 5:33:06 AM PDT by IbJensen
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To: IbJensen

2 posted on 04/29/2013 5:34:15 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: IbJensen
Immigration Bill Doesn’t Secure the Border


3 posted on 04/29/2013 5:37:37 AM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: IbJensen
Our government has never told a bigger lie than 'we can't deport them all'.

The only thing stopping us from doing just that is the political will.

4 posted on 04/29/2013 5:40:06 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: IbJensen

No, but it gives us a new government commission after Homeland Security sits on their hands for 5 years.

What a deal!


5 posted on 04/29/2013 5:40:10 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: IbJensen

Our son has just started a new chef job. All his kitchen staff is Mexican. He said its good that he speaks enough Spanish to give them instructions. Its a very upscale restrauant too.


6 posted on 04/29/2013 5:41:09 AM PDT by raisincane (November 6, 2012 - I'm announcing my retirement at work; becoming a taker.)
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To: IbJensen; Travis McGee

If V Corp were brought home and given the mission, “Secure our border,” how long would it take?


7 posted on 04/29/2013 5:41:16 AM PDT by ASA Vet (Don't assume Shahanshah Obama will allow another election.)
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To: All
A STROLL DOWN MEMORY LANE W/ TEDDY

"The [immigration] bill will not flood our cities with immigrants. It will not upset the ethnic mix of our society. It will not relax the standards of admission. It will not cause American workers to lose their jobs." - Ted Kennedy, 1965

"This amnesty will give citizenship to only 1.1 to 1.3 million illegal aliens. We will secure the borders henceforth. We will never again bring forward another amnesty bill like this." - Ted Kennedy, 1986

"Now it is time for action. 2007 is the year we must fix our broken system." - Ted Kennedy, 2007

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Teddy wrong on amnesty? Teddy's been wrong on a lot of things.

OBOMBA CELEBRATES HIS HERITAGE ON A TRIP
TO KENYA AT AGE 23-24
Hillary/Bill had these pics during
the primary---but Teddy Kennedy warned them not to use them.

Obama's brother Malik holds up photo.

HOME AGAIN W/ aunt outside her Kenyan jungle hut.

8 posted on 04/29/2013 5:42:14 AM PDT by Liz (To learn who rules over you, determine who you are not allowed to criticize. Voltaire)
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To: ASA Vet

Overnight.


9 posted on 04/29/2013 5:42:57 AM PDT by IbJensen (Liberals are like Slinkies, good for nothing, but you smile as you push them down the stairs.)
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To: IbJensen; Tennessee Nana; Liz; TADSLOS; EXCH54FE; GeronL; Travis McGee; stephenjohnbanker; ...
RE :”The number one flaw of the bill is it starts by giving amnesty to the unlawfully present population in the United States. As soon as the bill passes, those in the country contrary to U.S. immigration law are granted status to stay.
Amnesty immediately creates an incentive for illegal border crossings and overstays. Thus, the bill’s strategy would drive up the cost of securing the border. To make matters worse, the draft law states that anyone who was present in the U.S. before 2012 qualifies—creating massive opportunity for fraud, since there is no proof required that applicants have been here for several years. “

It has to be a huge comprehensive bill because that is the only way for THEM get ‘path to citizenship’ passed.

I keep hearing by many both parties and a few here claim that not many of them will want citizenship anyway, if that is true then why is it a Dem precondition for a bill that GOP RINOs caved to so early?

Rubios delay full amnesty for 10 years reminds me of Ryan's cut medicare in 10 years. Who cares what happens in 10 years right? And what if this amnesty passes and Latinos still come out and vote Dem in 2016, and of course many in GOP are turned off by it???

10 posted on 04/29/2013 5:46:14 AM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position.)
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To: skeeter

How about heavy fines for any business that hires illegals?
Also, no government benefits for anyone not proving citizenship.


11 posted on 04/29/2013 5:48:32 AM PDT by EEGator
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To: IbJensen

For many years Rubio was was Fidel Castro’s finest agent, he had most of us fooled. Fortunately, this ammnesty bill came along and exposed him.


12 posted on 04/29/2013 5:48:37 AM PDT by McGavin999
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To: IbJensen

This “immigration bill,” like all others before it, never was about border security. It’s just a pandering exercise to attempt to buy votes from a constituency that’ll never vote any way but democrat.

I heard Grahamnesty on Hannity’s radio show last week... went on and on about how the illegals will have to go through this hoop and that to attain citizenship... never mind the follow-on legislation that will inevitably come, pushing for shorter timeframes. He wants us all to believe the political orientation of the hispanic vote will shift “immediately” once this bill is passed. He’s full of more sh*t than a Christmas goose if he thinks we’re biting that one.


13 posted on 04/29/2013 5:51:43 AM PDT by ScottinVA (Gun control: Steady firm grip, target within sights, squeeze the trigger slowly...)
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To: EEGator
The first thing that must be understood when confronting this issue is that those pulling the strings do not want to control the border.

Its obvious to anyone paying attention but many, many Americans still buy the 'our immigration system is broken' BS.

14 posted on 04/29/2013 5:52:34 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: IbJensen

I have no faith in this country’s ability or desire to retain its sovereignty. Far too many at the levers of power want it brought asunder.


15 posted on 04/29/2013 5:53:01 AM PDT by ScottinVA (Gun control: Steady firm grip, target within sights, squeeze the trigger slowly...)
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To: IbJensen

So long as the president and the attorney general are black, the border will never be secure. There is no enforceable law making the law be enforced

As long as we have an influx of hispanio trash, the collapse of black culture can be ignored. Blacks have taken over and destroyed the cities but that is being ignored with the focus on illegals.


16 posted on 04/29/2013 5:53:07 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 .....History is a process, not an event)
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To: sickoflibs

They dont give a damn about citizenship. Mexicans are proud Mexicans. Thet do not love America.

They just want to use America economically.


17 posted on 04/29/2013 5:53:08 AM PDT by amihow
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To: bert
So long as the president and the attorney general are black, the border will never be secure.

That's irrelevant. White administrations have long proven they such at securing the border, too.

18 posted on 04/29/2013 5:55:15 AM PDT by ScottinVA (Gun control: Steady firm grip, target within sights, squeeze the trigger slowly...)
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To: ScottinVA

No, it is a racist thing


19 posted on 04/29/2013 5:56:33 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 .....History is a process, not an event)
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To: amihow
Mexicans are proud Mexicans. They do not love America.

What they "love" about America is the brightening prospect of an anschluss of at least half of our territory with Mexico. Who would've thought all those years ago, America would be so effectively occupied and subdued by legions of invaders from a third-world country?

20 posted on 04/29/2013 5:59:22 AM PDT by ScottinVA (Gun control: Steady firm grip, target within sights, squeeze the trigger slowly...)
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To: bert

IMO it is, but more in the sense of diluting the traditionally white demographic for the purpose of control.


21 posted on 04/29/2013 6:01:56 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: ASA Vet

About 2 days. But they would need harsh ROE. The more practical solution is to build the type of multiple parallel fences they have in San Diego along the entire border. The fedgov already owns the land, the 100 yard strip. They could solicit bids from a dozen fencing contractors, and with rewards and penalties, get the entire thing built in a matter of months.


22 posted on 04/29/2013 6:04:16 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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23 posted on 04/29/2013 6:05:49 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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They clearly don’t. Libs want more votes, and R’s want cheap labor for business.


24 posted on 04/29/2013 6:08:14 AM PDT by EEGator
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To: amihow; stephenjohnbanker; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; Gilbo_3; Impy; NFHale; BillyBoy
RE :”They dont give a damn about citizenship”

Dems made US citizenship their precondition demand for working with GOP and Rub and the others caved in on it immediately.

If its not important then why will Dems reject a bill without it?

Hell, if Rubs bill really doesnt allow them to get any US benefits for 10 years (I am skeptical of this claim) and it had no citizenship there is no way Dems would support it.

25 posted on 04/29/2013 6:09:13 AM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position.)
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To: IbJensen

True, just start the ball rolling and the rest will happen. Attack it from the position of fining employers and cutting all benefits and they will go home.


26 posted on 04/29/2013 6:24:07 AM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: IbJensen

There is no intention to close the borders. For decades we did not have an influx of illegals from Mexico. They are being let in in order to lower yhe standard of living for America and to help tip the scales toward socialism.


27 posted on 04/29/2013 7:33:27 AM PDT by informavoracious (The ancient Greeks and Romans thought they were on the "right side of history.")
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To: IbJensen; 1_Inch_Group; 2sheep; 2Trievers; 3AngelaD; 3pools; 3rdcanyon; 4Freedom; 4ourprogeny; ...
Ping!

Click the keyword Aliens to see more illegal alien, border security, and other related threads.

28 posted on 04/29/2013 8:41:39 AM PDT by HiJinx (When one has possessions he is as often possessed by them as possessing them. Jubal Sackett)
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To: Liz; All

” “The [immigration] bill will not flood our cities with immigrants. It will not upset the ethnic mix of our society. It will not relax the standards of admission. It will not cause American workers to lose their jobs.” - Ted Kennedy, 1965 “

For those who missed this.


29 posted on 04/29/2013 10:54:18 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker
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To: sickoflibs; IbJensen; Tennessee Nana; Liz; TADSLOS; EXCH54FE; GeronL; Travis McGee

” Rubios delay full amnesty for 10 years reminds me of Ryan’s cut medicare in 10 years.”

Same lie, different subject.


30 posted on 04/29/2013 10:57:46 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker
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To: sickoflibs; amihow; stephenjohnbanker; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; Gilbo_3; Impy; NFHale; ...

” Hell, if Rubs bill really doesnt allow them to get any US benefits for 10 years (I am skeptical of this claim) and it had no citizenship there is no way Dems would support it. “

I think they might....

” Department of Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano declared that she, President Barack Obama and other political officials at the top of this administration have the authority to decide which laws to enforce, and which ones to ignore.”

Does it matter what the bill says?


31 posted on 04/29/2013 11:04:58 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker
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To: ScottinVA

Ask Serbia how not securing its’ border worked out for them?


32 posted on 04/29/2013 11:06:51 AM PDT by jpsb
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To: bert

“So long as the president and the attorney general are black, the border will never be secure”

So, what excuse did Bush and his LATINO atty general have?


33 posted on 04/29/2013 11:08:23 AM PDT by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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RE ” Hell, if Rubs bill really doesnt allow them to get any US benefits for 10 years (I am skeptical of this claim) and it had no citizenship there is no way Dems would support it. “
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I think they might....”

A few might, but the Dem base wants them voting and the GOP $$$$ base, the Romney club, they want their labor.

The unions who are key to Dems =$$$$ they demand the voting and are not that hot on the labor part.

Recall a story about a month ago between Chamber of Commerce and Unions on key parts of this bill, You and I were not invited.

34 posted on 04/29/2013 11:24:50 AM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position.)
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To: sickoflibs

” A few might, but the Dem base wants them voting and the GOP $$$$ base, the Romney club, they want their labor.”

Yep, to both.

” Recall a story about a month ago between Chamber of Commerce and Unions on key parts of this bill, You and I were not invited. “

Both parties selling America down the river, and yes, we and most of America were not invited.


35 posted on 04/29/2013 11:28:37 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker
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To: IbJensen

Even if a bill was presented that says the border will be closed immediately it would end up a joke. They would “deem”it as closed after making a show of doing something. But we know it will be a sham considering the people who run the government.


36 posted on 04/29/2013 11:29:24 AM PDT by dforest (I have now entered the Twilight Zone.)
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To: IbJensen

Of course not. All it does is send a message: “Run for the Border!”


37 posted on 04/29/2013 11:29:35 AM PDT by Little Ray (How did I end up in this hand-basket, and why is it getting so hot?)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

always great readin your comments


38 posted on 04/29/2013 11:31:25 AM PDT by advertising guy (clearly, semi automatic high capacity pressure cookers should be banned)
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Thanks.


39 posted on 04/29/2013 11:34:43 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker
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To: stephenjohnbanker
RE :”Both parties selling America down the river, and yes, we and most of America were not invited.”

If you look at the GOP ruling $$$$class demands its a bunch of stuff when mixed together blows up.

Amnesty (votiNG) to get more poor workers + tax cuts for the GOP ruling class plus extend retirement age to 70 = suicide bomb.

The Senate is the worst.

40 posted on 04/29/2013 11:39:51 AM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position.)
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To: sickoflibs

Why dems support? Because the bill give the illegals all they want. They don’t love this country. They want the bennies.

Mexicans who are already voters will vote for whichever party gives the most bennies. Which party is that?

The Repubs are stupid and playing into game.


41 posted on 04/30/2013 9:20:11 AM PDT by amihow
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