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Fifth-grader suspended at overnight nature camp for bringing Swiss Army knife
yahoo.com ^ | 26 April, 2013 | NA

Posted on 04/29/2013 6:19:09 AM PDT by marktwain

A fifth-grader in Cupertino, California was suspended and threatened with expulsion for bringing a small Swiss Army knife on a school-sponsored, science-oriented camping trip.

In early April, Braden Bandermann’s class set off on Garden Gate Elementary School’s annual, week-long pilgrimage for fifth-graders to Marin Headlands, just north of San Francisco.

Before leaving, Braden did what any Silicon Valley 10-year-old faced with the perils of nature might do: He packed his trusty Swiss Army knife. As any camper knows, the multi-tool device is nothing if not versatile. Braden’s particular model contains a can opener, tweezers, a toothpick, a nail file, a tiny pair of scissors and a small blade.

The little blade landed the boy in big trouble.

“They called me,” explained Tony Bandermann, Braden’s father. “They said, ‘You have to come and get him. He has a weapon. He needs to be suspended or possibly expelled.’”

At the time, the elder Bandermann was on a business trip in Sacramento, roughly 100 miles away. His wife, Braden’s stepmother, was at the camp with Braden, but they had arrived by bus and had no private transportation. (Braden’s mother was also unable to go to the camp so that he could serve a suspension.)

The school principal, Brandi Hucko, allegedly wanted Bandermann to rush to the site of the science camp, pick Braden up for a one-day suspension and then deliver him back to camp.

Bandermann told The Daily Caller that he was frustrated over Hucko’s insistence “that I risk my job and go get him out of the program for a one-day suspension all over a Swiss Army knife.”

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; US: California
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It is insane that we have allowed policies such as this to propagate. This is *not* an aberration any more. This insane anti-knife policy has become national.

Knives are arms protected by the Second Amendment.

1 posted on 04/29/2013 6:19:09 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

It’s only like the first thing anyone would bring with them if they went camping.


2 posted on 04/29/2013 6:22:09 AM PDT by Clarence
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To: marktwain

This is the epitome of absurdity. Someone needs to get bashed and beaten and it isn’t the little boy.


3 posted on 04/29/2013 6:22:17 AM PDT by rovenstinez
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To: marktwain

When I was a Scout, we had to have our whittling chip before we could carry our Swiss Army knife. Prior to that, we were allowed to keep them in our bags but not on a lanyard on our belts.

The pussification of our boys continues unabated. Is it any wonder why our boys are having trouble in school and life?


4 posted on 04/29/2013 6:23:21 AM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: marktwain

You are right about the policies but keep in mind that we also have adults — teachers and other educators — who implement them. I don’t know what adult in their right mind would suspend a child for doing something this innocent. It traumatizes the child for no reason. It teaches the child that there is no connection between bad intent and punishment. It teaches a child to be fearful of authority figures, or to not respect them. Ultimately, these policies will be very damaging to our society when the kids who had to suffer through them become young adults.


5 posted on 04/29/2013 6:25:03 AM PDT by Opinionated Blowhard ("When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.")
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To: marktwain

Wow, times have really changed. I remember getting a cub scouts pocket knife in 1976. I was so proud of that knife I carried it every day in my pocket to school and everywhere else. It was not an issue then. It seems these days that the innocent are punished while the guilty have excuses made for their behavior.


6 posted on 04/29/2013 6:25:05 AM PDT by albionin
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To: rovenstinez

How is a kid supposed to learn about surviving in nature if he doesn’t have a knife. We always carried pocket knives and when we were on a Scout camping trip we all had hunting knives. Hard to make a lean-to without a knife. Honesty, if really hard times ever come to the West most of the population would die within a couple of months due to a complete lack of knowledge of how to survive outside a modern urban environment.


7 posted on 04/29/2013 6:25:54 AM PDT by littleharbour ("All men having power ought to be distrusted to a certain degree. ~ James Madison)
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To: rarestia

I have fond memories of our son buying his first Swiss Army Knife. He had completed his whittling badge in Boy Scouts. He had saved his own money. It took him forever to decide from among the three or four in the store that he could afford. I wonder if he still has it. I also remember playing with my big brother’s knife. I still have the scar. It closed on my finger and it took several months for the healing process to complete since it cut deeply into the quick of my middle finger.


8 posted on 04/29/2013 6:27:09 AM PDT by Mercat
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To: marktwain

the whole zero tolerance is ridiculous. my daughters (7 and 9) each have a small gerber knife. they know when and how to use them, they carry them the whole time they’re with me. i have no fear that they’ll do anything “bad” with them. the only supervision they get with them is to make sure they don’t take them to school.


9 posted on 04/29/2013 6:27:54 AM PDT by absolootezer0 (2x divorced tattooed pierced harley hatin meghan mccain luvin' REAL beer drinkin' smoker ..what?)
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To: marktwain

Each and every day we are presented with more reasons to eliminate public schools and to imprison and torture all public school administration officials.

Principals and superintendents go to Gitmo, where special water boarding rooms equiped with 120db hip hop music will be awaiting these slime balls.

Does your child go to public school?

Why?


10 posted on 04/29/2013 6:28:08 AM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: marktwain

This is why kids are afraid of their own shadow. They can’t even draw a picture without consequences. Kids don’t know the difference between right and wrong because it seems everything is wrong. Our armed forces will pay dearly in the very near future.


11 posted on 04/29/2013 6:29:32 AM PDT by albie (s)
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To: littleharbour

The ‘camping’ trip about ‘science’ in California is not about survival. It is about environmental indoctrination. There is no cutting of trees to make lean tos.

Think it through folks.

If people fear knives from childhood, fear guns, believe man is a cancer and all the other propaganda, when they hit adulthood, they vote accordingly.

Search 1963 Communist goals and have a pencil handy to check off all the things you see happening.


12 posted on 04/29/2013 6:35:29 AM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: marktwain

Groucho Marx’ statement about not wanting to belong to a club that would have him as a member is more prolific than ever.

I am not sure I would want my family or myself taking part in organizations that have such single sighted vision.

The step mother was there(?- accordingly), common sense would say, if you don’t want the kid to have an ESSENTIAL tool, that fits the adventure, confiscate it, give it to the mother or guardian and be done with it. Oh yes, return it at the end of the week and maybe revise the ‘What is allowed and what isn’t list’.

The kid may have just been arming himself in case of an animal attack (2 legged, boogy man), they are in SF after all. (of course if you have female counselors - leader appears to be F, plus mentions mothers)

ANOTHER great, informative headline.
Doesn’t ANYONE read this stuff anymore?
The headline cites an ‘overnighter’, the story says the father should pick the kid up for a ONE DAY suspension and return them, then it says the camp is for a week.


13 posted on 04/29/2013 6:35:33 AM PDT by xrmusn (6/98 --I turn 75 next year- but remember, that's only 24 Celsius. (TKS R. Reagan))
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To: marktwain

“The school principal, Brandi Hucko”

IMO, female principals are a large percentage of the problem in public schools. They do not understand young males, bonding, the need for adventure, competition and proving yourself. They consider everything that’s sharp and pointy a weapon, and want to ban any activity that can lead to injury. Unless the little boys act like little girls they think something is wrong with them.


14 posted on 04/29/2013 6:36:58 AM PDT by Brooklyn Attitude (Obama being re-elected is the political equivalent of OJ being found not guilty.)
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To: albie
In the Near future???

If the Kenyan-in-Thief wasn't battering-down the Pentagon to allow homosexuals into the platoons & squads,

wasn't allowing for D.o.D. propaganda that labels Catholics & Protestant Christians as "Domestic Terrorists...

...then maybe--just maybe--the near-future of our Armed Forces would Not be so-imminent.

15 posted on 04/29/2013 6:39:37 AM PDT by ExcursionGuy84
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To: marktwain

“He has a weapon.”

How utterly stupid many of today’s so-called educators are!

It reminds me of a few years ago when flying out of San Diego’s Lindbergh Field. I had purchased a small toy revolver from the Roy Rogers Museum for one of my grandsons.

When the carryon conveyed up the belt and under the X-Ray the female idiot security screener jumped back, threw her hands up in the air and shouted “He has a gun!”

The damned thing was about eight inches long and it took 45 minutes to get the situation straightened out.


16 posted on 04/29/2013 6:40:14 AM PDT by IbJensen (Liberals are like Slinkies, good for nothing, but you smile as you push them down the stairs.)
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To: marktwain

It was inevitable. After the guns - then the knives - one with points and blades anyway.

Baseball bats will be next.


17 posted on 04/29/2013 6:40:39 AM PDT by ZULU ((See: http://gatesofvienna.net/))
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To: absolootezer0

I think they should re-name their policy a zero reason policy. Instead of judging each situation with reason they just declare that they will judge all situations the same which means not at all. Of course these days so many people are just waiting to sue over anything and everything you almost can’t blame these schools. Almost. I tell you the more I read the news and watch what is going on the more I want to just sell everything and move as far away from other human beings as possible. I’m serious. The world has gotten so screwy, I don’t recognize it any more and it seems like it has mainly happened since 2000.


18 posted on 04/29/2013 6:43:41 AM PDT by albionin
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“Wow, times have really changed”.

I have the feeling that this outdoor camp is like MCPS school “outdoor ed”. Not required, but implemented for 6th graders. A two day overnight camp designed to talk about water pollution, air quality etc... an environmental instruction vs a true outdoor education trip. In short, a liberal camping trip thus no room for true outdoors education/tools.


19 posted on 04/29/2013 6:43:55 AM PDT by momtothree
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To: marktwain
Anyone who considers a Swiss Army knife in the hands of a fifth-grader on a camping trip to be a "weapon" is a goddamned idiot. But our culture dictates that we're all supposed to be such "idiots", now.

Zero Tolerance Intelligence policies reflect an inability or unwillingness on the part of supposed adults to make value judgments; to distinguish, to discriminate. But increasingly, they cannot or will not do so.

Such failure is a symptom of our society's moral and ethical collapse in the face of the Progressive ideology. Because "discrimination is... mmm... y'know, bad, m'kay???"

And that's why we're pretty much doomed.

20 posted on 04/29/2013 6:54:33 AM PDT by andy58-in-nh (Cogito, ergo armatum sum.)
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For at least fifty years, the Sierra Club has recommended a list of "Ten Essentials" for any hike or camping trip. That list includes a knife. That should be his defense.

Post one liberal icon against another.

21 posted on 04/29/2013 6:55:20 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (An economy is not a zero-sum game, but politics usually is.)
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To: Brooklyn Attitude

IMO, female principals are a large percentage of the problem in public schools”

...I would tend to agree with one exception. My daughters HS principle is a female and very conservative. I ran into her at a tea party a few years ago and she supports Ken Cuccinelli for Va Gov! I feel very fortunate that we have her.


22 posted on 04/29/2013 6:59:35 AM PDT by albie (s)
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To: marktwain
I wonder if milk money will be banned too:


23 posted on 04/29/2013 7:00:37 AM PDT by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!)
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To: Carry_Okie

I wonder what they said up on the camping trip when they came across the old Nike Missile site up there? Probably something to the effect these were weapons of imperial war mongers. Frankly, I wish they would reactivate the site, tie the principal to one of the air defense missiles and launch her into the stratosphere.


24 posted on 04/29/2013 7:04:36 AM PDT by Mouton (108th MI Group.....68-71)
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To: albionin

You know why they have “zero tolerance” policies?
Because the person that makes a judgment call is responsible for that decision.

I’m not saying it’s because of lawyers... but... it’s because of lawyers.

On the more “cosmic battle” scale, Satan is continuing his unabated attack on the concept of “father”, which builds on the concept of “man”.


25 posted on 04/29/2013 7:05:42 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: marktwain

So, how was he supposed to dissect a frog?


26 posted on 04/29/2013 7:05:57 AM PDT by moovova
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To: marktwain
Oops, Milk Money:


27 posted on 04/29/2013 7:09:21 AM PDT by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!)
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To: Opinionated Blowhard
" It teaches a child to be fearful of authority figures, or to not respect them. "

Unfortunately these so called authority figures do not deserve any respect.

It should be clear to all. The only fix for this crap is to put an end to government schools. All education must be private.

Government run schools was just a bad idea from the outset but years of taxpayer funded, government serving government institutions have turned our schools into left wing cesspools.

28 posted on 04/29/2013 7:13:48 AM PDT by precisionshootist
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To: marktwain

It should be a school requirement to bring a utility knife when camping and to know how to use it.


29 posted on 04/29/2013 7:19:06 AM PDT by Kirkwood (Zombie Hunter)
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To: marktwain
the saddest thing regarding this story is these people are the ones we're allowing to teach our young. Self perpetuating idiocy.
30 posted on 04/29/2013 7:25:52 AM PDT by drypowder
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To: marktwain

In the ‘70’s, on a school field trip to Philadelphia, I bought a promotional 2” bowie knife with the 76ers logo on it. Probably couldn’t have stabbed butter with that Taiwanese blade, but neither did I get in trouble.

Now, my youngest son loves knives. But he knows better than to take one to his Christian school. Girl got in trouble there for bringing a butter knife in with her lunch.

Not sure how much trouble. Probably “don’t ever bring that here again” rather than national spotlight for being expelled, but she’s still used as an example for the rest.


31 posted on 04/29/2013 7:27:16 AM PDT by Rinnwald
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To: marktwain


32 posted on 04/29/2013 7:28:38 AM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: moovova

Mumblety-peg anyone?


33 posted on 04/29/2013 7:31:19 AM PDT by Gadsden1st
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To: MrB

I think you’re right. It reminds me of Atlas Shrugged where everyone in society is afraid to take any responsibility or think because they know they will be punished for it.


34 posted on 04/29/2013 7:31:51 AM PDT by albionin
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To: marktwain

When we go hiking my teenage son usually has a multi blade knife in his pocket, a good folding buck knife in the backpack and a ka-bar on his belt. If he could get away with it I’m sure he’d strap one of his machetes to his pack.

I don’t think he’d do well in California schools.


35 posted on 04/29/2013 7:35:11 AM PDT by Pan_Yan (I believe in God. All else is dubious.)
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Now, my youngest son loves knives. But he knows better than to take one to his Christian school. Girl got in trouble there for bringing a butter knife in with her lunch.

Perhaps, as a Christian school, they would be amenable to reason. Indoctrinating the young with the idea that the carry of knives is unacceptable is a bad idea.

They could promote responsibility by having a class similar to the Boy Scouts, and allowing those who took it to carry knives.

Just a thought.

36 posted on 04/29/2013 8:06:54 AM PDT by marktwain (The MSM must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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To: Pan_Yan

Public schools aren’t needed today. They’re obsolete and should be phased out. Read the comments at the end of the article. They are scathing. There is virtually no support for this school’s actions.

Ten years ago or so, you would read articles such as this one and many people supported zero tolerance. Well, they don’t anymore. It won’t take much longer for them to decide not support public schools, either.

These parents should never permitted their son to go on this trip. Who wants the public schools to have authority over their child for five days and nights?
God only knows what else is going on there.


37 posted on 04/29/2013 8:06:59 AM PDT by goldi
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To: marktwain
It's a good thing he didn't take a bigger knife
38 posted on 04/29/2013 8:09:44 AM PDT by Second Amendment First ("Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not..." - Thomas Jefferson.)
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To: goldi
Public schools aren’t needed today. They’re obsolete and should be phased out. Read the comments at the end of the article. They are scathing. There is virtually no support for this school’s actions. You are absolutely correct. The whole Bismarkian model of schooling is obsolete. With the Internet, we do not need the old model of brick and mortar schools for basic education. They are an expensive anachronism that is being used to destroy our culture and Western civilization.
39 posted on 04/29/2013 8:11:50 AM PDT by marktwain (The MSM must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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To: albionin

***I was so proud of that knife I carried it every day in my pocket to school****

In the late 1950s or early ‘60s if you wanted to be considered one of the boys you had to have a folding pocket knife (any brand) and a small whetstone.

At noon we would all get together and sharpen knives while talking about anything.

And if someone took a large hunting knife to school it caused no panic as everyone knew he was in leathercraft class. Same for kids with pistols.

Today’s massive culture of fear began after the murder of Bobby Kennedy.


40 posted on 04/29/2013 8:13:18 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Do we now register our pressure cookers?)
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To: marktwain

-— The whole Bismarkian model of schooling is obsolete. With the Internet, we do not need the old model of brick and mortar schools for basic education. They are an expensive anachronism that is being used to destroy our culture and Western civilization.-—

Worth repeating.


41 posted on 04/29/2013 8:15:53 AM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas
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To: albionin

It happened after Columbine and all the schools jumped on the zero tolerance/zero brains bandwagon.


42 posted on 04/29/2013 8:42:30 AM PDT by goldi
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To: marktwain
I remember sitting in home room in Junior High ('60s) cutting out the magnet in my notebook. It slipped and cut my hand which required 3 stitches.

Nothing was ever said about bringing a knife to school or leaving it home in the future. Just to cut away from yourself.

43 posted on 04/29/2013 8:43:05 AM PDT by TangoLimaSierra (To the left the truth looks like Right-Wing extremism.)
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To: marktwain

I’m a Scout leader and encourage my scouts to carry a knife. I also spent last week at the FIRST Robotics World Championships. I suspect a large percentage of the 20,000 competitors had knives because they are indispensable tools. We also had unfettered use of reciprocating saws, band saws, drills, grinders and countless other tools. If you want to see some young people performing at their best, youtube 2013 FRC Championship.


44 posted on 04/29/2013 9:07:15 AM PDT by cyclotic (In a society of wolves, you do not fight back by creating more sheep-Dan Bongino)
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To: marktwain

SAK: Useful tool.

The principal: Useless tool.


45 posted on 04/29/2013 10:29:39 AM PDT by Moltke ("I am Dr. Sonderborg," he said, "and I don't want any nonsense.")
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To: marktwain
They could promote responsibility by having a class similar to the Boy Scouts, and allowing those who took it to carry knives.

The reformed church the school is affiliated with has a CCC (Calvinist Cadet Corp) chapter that my boy belongs to. It's run by one of the teachers at the school (all-around great guy, and role-model for my oldest boy who is studying to be a teacher). At their camp outs, the boys are allowed to bring pocket knives, and can whittle away during supervised activities. However, the school rules remain separate.

46 posted on 04/29/2013 11:55:33 AM PDT by Rinnwald
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To: marktwain

A world run by silly women and queers


47 posted on 04/29/2013 12:29:55 PM PDT by wardaddy (wanna know how my kin felt during Reconstruction in Mississippi, you fixin to find out firsthand)
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To: marktwain
Who will fight to defend freedom in this country, after we've raised a generation of metrosexual eunuchs?
48 posted on 04/29/2013 12:57:03 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Travis McGee

Nobody. That’s the point.


49 posted on 04/29/2013 12:58:28 PM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: marktwain

Contact INFO. http://www.edline.net/pages/Cupertino_Union_SD/Contact_Us/Contact_Information


50 posted on 04/29/2013 3:11:16 PM PDT by Exton1
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