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Coelacanths: Evolutionists Still Fishing in Shallow Water (article)
Institute for Creation Research ^ | 4-29-2013 | Timothy L. Clarey, Ph.D., and Jeffrey Tomkins, Ph.D.

Posted on 04/29/2013 8:09:01 AM PDT by fishtank

Coelacanths: Evolutionists Still Fishing in Shallow Water by Timothy L. Clarey, Ph.D., and Jeffrey Tomkins, Ph.D. *

A recent report, published in Nature,1 on the genome sequence of the so-called living fish fossil, the African coelacanth, has some evolutionists scrambling to defend their story. This is because the coelacanth's DNA is similar to other types of fish and not land animals, thus forcing the evolutionists to postulate that the coelacanth evolved slowly.1

Although modern coelacanths are found in water about 500 feet deep, Axel Meyer, a member of the study team believes that ancient coelacanths may have lived in shallow water, stating, "Other coelacanths lived in more shallow, estuary-like environments 400 million years ago, and you can envisage them using fins more like walking legs."2 In the overall evolutionary scenario, fish are believed to have transitioned to land and then continued evolving into amphibians and eventually into other land creatures.

The ancestral lineage of the coelacanth was thought to have gone extinct 70 million years ago, during the Cretaceous Period—an era most famous for the presence of dinosaurs. In other words, there are no known fossils of this fish in subsequent, younger sedimentary units. Therefore, finding a living coelacanth in 1938 off the east coast of Africa created quite a shock among scientists. This placed the coelacanth in the "living fossil" category, as an example of an organism thought to be extinct, and yet found living today virtually unchanged.

Only 309 individual occurrences of a live coelacanth have been recorded since it was first identified in 1938.1 Studies of modern specimens have taught scientists a lot about this unique fish. A French team found that coelacanths possess a swim bladder filled with oil, giving it neutral buoyancy between the depths of 600-900 feet.3 Many sharks use a similar type of system that allows them to swim freely without having to exert energy to keep from sinking or rising.

Studies of the coelacanth's eye have also shown it to have vision perfectly suited for the dark depths between 300-600 feet, rather than eyes more appropriate for light in shallow water.3 Direct eyewitness evidence from fisherman and deep-sea submersibles have placed the fish living between depths of 450-600 feet.3

So, evidence from the fish's swim bladder and eye structure, as well as fisherman reports and direct underwater observance all show that the coelacanth lives at depths of about 500 feet below the surface. A deep sea environment that it is uniquely designed to inhabit.

The coelacanth has long been hailed as an ancestor to amphibians and other tetrapods as their lineage goes back a supposed 300 million years.1 However, the exact origin of coelacanths has never been established by evolutionary scientists, the fish just seem to appear in the rocks "suddenly" like most all fossil organisms.4 And modern coelacanths were also found to give birth to live young (like some sharks), unlike their supposed descendants, the amphibians.3

The substantial evidence is stacking up. Modern coelacanths were designed to live in deep water, they do not lay eggs like amphibians, and they have DNA that is clearly fish like.

It's a good thing paleontologists didn't lead the search for the coelacanth as they would have no doubt set their fishing lines in water far too shallow. Clearly the coelacanth is a uniquely designed fish engineered by the Creator to live in deep water, and not a predecessor to some fictional crawling creature that decided to transition from shallow water to land.

References

Amemiya, C.T., et al. 2013. The African coelacanth genome provides insights into tetrapod evolution. Nature. 496 (7445): 311- 316.

Wade, N. Fish's DNA May Explain How Fins Turned to Feet. Posted on nytimes.com April 17, 2013, accessed April 18, 2013.

Thomson, K.S. 1991. Living Fossil. New York, NY: W.W. Norton and Company, 137-144.

Carroll, R. L. 1988. Vertebrate Paleontology and Evolution. New York, NY: W.H. Freeman and Company, 147-148.

* Dr. Timothy Clarey is Research Associate at the Institute for Creation Research. Dr. Tomkins is Research Associate at the Institute for Creation Research and received his Ph.D. in Genetics from Clemson University.

Article posted on April 29, 2013.


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: biology; coelacanths; creation; creationism; fishes; ichthyology; theology

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1 posted on 04/29/2013 8:09:02 AM PDT by fishtank
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To: fishtank

Check out this quote from the evolutionist ‘scientist’:

“Although modern coelacanths are found in water about 500 feet deep, Axel Meyer, a member of the study team believes that ancient coelacanths may have lived in shallow water, stating, “Other coelacanths lived in more shallow, estuary-like environments 400 million years ago, and you can envisage them using fins more like walking legs.”2”

Ever since darwin, the ‘evolutionist’ has been speaking by conjectures wrapped in deception surrounded by fairy tale.

They tale a lot and write even more, but their “proof” is all words.


2 posted on 04/29/2013 8:11:18 AM PDT by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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To: fishtank

The Christian taliban. No wonder the churches are empty.


3 posted on 04/29/2013 8:17:30 AM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: fishtank

Funny how God designed these creatures for specific environments, yet we find no creatures designed for environments that wouldn’t support evolution such as on other planets and moons in the solar system.


4 posted on 04/29/2013 8:18:30 AM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: fishtank
So.... even if you were to buy into that,... um, opinion... then he's saying that somehow the coelacanths may have started out as a land creature and not only evolved into the water, but increasingly deeper water?

Not the usual progression suggested.

5 posted on 04/29/2013 8:19:47 AM PDT by alancarp (Obama will grab your guns and ship them to Mexican drug mobs.)
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To: fishtank

I remember a Sci-Fi, B movie from the Fifties starring this fiddy. I think a dragonfly licked up some fluid dripping from the fish, and turned into a giant. Can’t recall anything else. Wonder what the title of that movie was?????


6 posted on 04/29/2013 8:20:06 AM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: SpaceBar
The Christian taliban. No wonder the churches are empty.

1. They're hardly empty.
2. This is called 'making the experts defend themselves', which is what this entire site does every single day on subjects like climate change, the economy, abortion, and general Left Wingnut thinking. This is no different.

7 posted on 04/29/2013 8:25:40 AM PDT by alancarp (Obama will grab your guns and ship them to Mexican drug mobs.)
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra

“Attack of the Teenage Mutant Coelacanthic Dragonflies”

You DON’T want one of these on your windshield!


8 posted on 04/29/2013 8:28:33 AM PDT by elcid1970 ("The Second Amendment is more important than Islam.")
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To: SpaceBar
The Christian taliban. No wonder the churches are empty.

What a monumentally stupid and ignorant comment. I suggest you find some other site to troll. We don't classify ANY Christian as taliban here and have no use for or affinity with any who does!

9 posted on 04/29/2013 8:33:34 AM PDT by pgkdan (Some taglines never go away....)
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To: SpaceBar
No wonder the churches are empty.

As are their heads.

10 posted on 04/29/2013 8:37:46 AM PDT by John Valentine (Deep in the Heart of Texas)
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To: pgkdan

I’ve run into this with leftinlaws.
Whenever you suggest that a standard of behavior be established,
they accuse you of wanting to implement the Christian equivalent of the Taliban.


11 posted on 04/29/2013 8:39:07 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: fishtank
and you can envisage them using... This is science? I can "envisage" them growing beards and driving around in nuclear submarines. Doesn't make it true.

Jeez, in general, I believe in evolution over creation. But idiots like the one quoted in this article, don't help the argument.

12 posted on 04/29/2013 8:40:02 AM PDT by wbill
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To: alancarp
This is called 'making the experts defend themselves'...

No matter what you call it, it consists of empty-headed recitation of propaganda points and misrepresentation of legitimate research. No legitimate, serious scientist (i.e. expert) feels the slightest need to "defend" himself from this kind of inanity.

13 posted on 04/29/2013 8:40:28 AM PDT by John Valentine (Deep in the Heart of Texas)
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To: MrB

I’ve run into the same kind of thing and it’s what I expect from the idiots who spout it. It’s most definately not what I expect on FR and I don’t think we should give it a pass.


14 posted on 04/29/2013 8:41:30 AM PDT by pgkdan (Some taglines never go away....)
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To: fishtank
A recent report, published in Nature,1 on the genome sequence of the so-called living fish fossil, the African coelacanth, has some evolutionists scrambling to defend their story. This is because the coelacanth's DNA is similar to other types of fish and not land animals...

Just WOW! Research shows that a fish's DNA resembles the DNA of other fish more than it does the DNA of land animals.

An absolutely staggering discovery, and one that surely must prove "intelligent design". Not.

And I am fairly certain that the news that fish DNA resembles fish DNA more than it does the DNA of land animals will have remarkably few scientists "scrambling to defend their story" as it is put. I love reading the nonsense that is becoming more and more common here on Free Republic.

15 posted on 04/29/2013 8:46:37 AM PDT by John Valentine (Deep in the Heart of Texas)
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To: pgkdan
We don't classify ANY Christian as taliban here and have no use for or affinity with any who does!

What about "Taliban Catholics"?

What he means by web-based McCarthyism is what John L Allen (of the National Catholic Reporter) calls the “Catholic Taliban”.

Allen’s explanation of this term was recently spelled out to an audience at the University of Texas. It was necessary, Allen said, to strike “a balance between two extremes”. This is how he described these extremes:

“On the one extreme lies what my friend and colleague George Weigel correctly terms ‘Catholicism Lite’, meaning a watered-down, sold-out form of secularised religiosity, Catholic in name only. On the other is what I call ‘Taliban Catholicism’, meaning a distorted, angry form of the faith that knows only how to excoriate, condemn, and smash the TV sets of the modern world....
....Singled out for special attention was RealCatholicTV.com, which, accused the paper, is “hunting for ‘traitorous’ nuns, priests or bishops throughout the American Church”. “We’re no more engaged in a witch hunt than a doctor excising a cancer is engaged in a witch hunt,” said Michael Voris of RealCatholicTV.com and St Michael’s Media. “We’re just shining a spotlight on people who are Catholics who do not live the faith.”

-- from the thread Attacks build up on the ‘Taliban’ and the ‘McCarthyites’ of the Catholic blogosphere

16 posted on 04/29/2013 8:47:23 AM PDT by Alex Murphy ("If you are not firm in faith, you will not be firm at all" - Isaiah 7:9)
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To: fishtank

It still doesn’t make any case for Young Earth Creationism


17 posted on 04/29/2013 8:49:02 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: fishtank

“Your Evolutionist has no regard for human life, not even of his own. For this reason men, I want to impress upon you the need for extreme watchfulness. The enemy may come individually, or in strength. He may even appear in the form of our own troops. But however we must stop him. We must not allow him to gain entrance to this base. Now, I’m going to give you THREE SIMPLE rules: First, trust NO one, whatever his uniform or rank, unless he is known to you personally; Second, anyone or anything that approaches within 200 yards of the perimeter is to be FIRED UPON; Third, if in doubt, shoot first then ask questions later. I would sooner accept a few casualties through accidents rather losing the entire base and its personnel through carelessness. Any variation of these rules must come from me personally. Any variation on these rules must come from me personally. Now, men, in conclusion, I would like to say that, in the two years it has been my privilege to be your commanding officer, I have always expected the best from you, and you have never given me anything less than that. Today, the nation is counting on us. We’re not going to let them down. Good luck to you all.”
Dr. General I.M. Kookie, Institute for Creation Research.


18 posted on 04/29/2013 9:08:23 AM PDT by tumblindice (okey dokey)
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To: alancarp
[...] then he's saying that somehow the coelacanths may have started out as a land creature and not only evolved into the water, but increasingly deeper water? Not the usual progression suggested.

You mean like, um, whales and dolphins?

Evolutions have no difficulty accepting the possibility of sea creatures evolving into land creatures and then back again.

Regards,

19 posted on 04/29/2013 9:23:16 AM PDT by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra

The movie you have in mind is “Monster on the Campus”. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uy3JqdyUX7g


20 posted on 04/29/2013 9:44:19 AM PDT by stormer
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To: SpaceBar

When you compare Christians to the Taliban, you are being reductive and deliberately offensive, not only to Christians themselves, but also to the victims of the real Taliban. Idiotic statements like this are best kept in your bookmarked Reddit atheist forums, or in your online review of one of Dawkins’ rags.
Remember that evolution is only a well-developed theory, and evolutionists often disagree on certain aspects, time spans etc. It also implies you ignore mathematics and probability. You’re entitled to your opinion, but if you think coming on a conservative forum and attacking Christians with ridiculous comparisons to the Taliban makes you somehow ‘intellectual’ or ‘superior’, you need a reality check.


21 posted on 04/29/2013 9:59:28 AM PDT by Viennacon
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To: stormer

“Monster on the Campus”.

Thank you!


22 posted on 04/29/2013 10:44:25 AM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: Viennacon

I am sorry you feel that way. My post wasn’t directed at all christians, just the nutjobs who wrote the article. That said, plenty of practicing christians are repulsed by articles like these.


23 posted on 04/29/2013 11:04:13 AM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: alexander_busek

Evolutionists have no trouble in coming up with any cockamamie theory necessary to keep the their anti-God mantra going. But no, I suppose if you believe that fins can evolve into legs and arms, then it’s hardly a stretch to believe that the reverse could also occur.


24 posted on 04/29/2013 11:04:24 AM PDT by alancarp (Obama will grab your guns and ship them to Mexican drug mobs.)
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To: John Valentine

Okay, to be fair, I’ll refer to you, then, as part of the Evolutionist Taliban.


25 posted on 04/29/2013 11:05:21 AM PDT by alancarp (Obama will grab your guns and ship them to Mexican drug mobs.)
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To: alancarp

drivel..... there is no antiGod thought associated with evolutionary science. To make such an assertion is to display ignorance


26 posted on 04/29/2013 11:26:30 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 .....History is a process, not an event)
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To: fishtank


27 posted on 04/29/2013 11:32:24 AM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Mater tua caligas exercitus gerit ;-{)
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To: bert

I disagree. That was true early on, but it is very often used today as a means to exclude alternate points of view as unscientific and .. yes, ‘ignorant’. Good luck getting a doctorate in any field from anthropology to botany or biology with a research area that suggests the possibility of an intelligent creator being involved at any point in an evolutionary process. That pendulum has swung quite far.


28 posted on 04/29/2013 11:50:06 AM PDT by alancarp (Obama will grab your guns and ship them to Mexican drug mobs.)
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra
I remember a Sci-Fi, B movie from the Fifties starring this fiddy. I think a dragonfly licked up some fluid dripping from the fish, and turned into a giant. Can’t recall anything else. Wonder what the title of that movie was?????

I remember that one as well. Some scientist guy determined that it was the blood of a coelacanth which turned that ordinary dragonfly into a 'devolved' version which was several feet long. So, what did this genius do? He sampled the blood *himself*, and became some sort of humanoid/troglodyte thingie. Hollyweird, go figure...

the infowarrior

29 posted on 04/29/2013 10:41:01 PM PDT by infowarrior
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