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On the Second Amendment, Kansas points the way
dailycaller.com ^ | 18 April, 2013 | Mike Maharrey

Posted on 04/29/2013 4:43:57 PM PDT by marktwain

Opponents of federal gun control won a victory in the Senate Wednesday. But without a doubt, Congress will pass some sort of gun-control legislation. And that act will certainly violate the Constitution.

Our founding document does not delegate firearm-regulating power to Congress or the president. No clause in the Constitution empowers the federal government to ban any type of gun or magazine, create a gun registry or implement a national system of background checks, and the Second Amendment actively restricts federal power in this area. It prevents the federal government from infringing on the right of people to keep and bear arms — even in the course of exercising otherwise legitimate federal powers. So although the feds have the power to regulate interstate commerce, they do not have the power to infringe on our Second Amendment rights in the process.

But the federal government long ago abandoned any pretext of constitutional restraint.

That elevates what happened in Kansas this week to the highest level of importance.

On Tuesday, Governor Sam Brownback signed the Second Amendment Protection Act, nullifying a wide range of federal attacks on the right to keep and bear arms in Kansas. Here’s the law’s text:

“Any act, law, treaty, order, rule or regulation of the government of the United States which violates the Second Amendment to the Constitution of the United States is null, void and unenforceable in the state of Kansas.”

In other words, the law prohibits state and local agents in Kansas from participating in any federal gun-control measures restricting the individual right to keep and bear arms as understood when Kansas became a state in 1861.

The new law also makes it illegal for any federal agent to enforce any law, treaty, order, rule or regulation regarding firearms manufactured, owned and remaining within Kansas’ borders. Violators could face felony charges. State prosecutors will serve federal agents violating the law with a complaint and summons.

In essence, Sam Brownback just told Barack Obama and his federal minions, “Bring it on!”

As Judge Andrew Napolitano recently pointed out, widespread noncompliance can make federal gun-control laws “nearly impossible to enforce.” Mass noncompliance with an unconstitutional federal act stands as both constitutionally sound and effective. In fact, the Northern states’ noncompliance with the Fugitive Slave Act of 1850 was so effective, South Carolina listed nullification of the act in its Declaration of Causes of Secession.

The new Kansas law stands as the strongest and most sweeping defense of the right to keep and bear arms in the entire country so far.

Note that this bold defense of the Second Amendment did not come from Washington, D.C. — indeed, no bold defense of the Second Amendment ever will.

James Madison envisioned state action as a check on unconstitutional power before the Constitution was even ratified. He laid out the blueprint in Federalist No. 46.

“Should an unwarrantable measure of the federal government be unpopular in particular States, which would seldom fail to be the case, or even a warrantable measure be so, which may sometimes be the case, the means of opposition to it are powerful and at hand. The disquietude of the people; their repugnance and, perhaps refusal to cooperate with officers of the Union, the frowns of the executive magistracy of the State; the embarrassment created by legislative devices, which would often be added on such occasions, would oppose, in any State, very serious impediments; and were the sentiments of several adjoining States happen to be in Union, would present obstructions which the federal government would hardly be willing to encounter.” (Emphasis added)

Madison makes an important point: One state can create issues for the feds. If multiple states refuse to comply with unconstitutional federal actions, they can stop D.C. in its tracks.

Other states need to follow the Sunflower State’s lead.

Mike Maharrey serves as the national communications director for the Tenth Amendment Center. He is also the author of Our Last Hope: Rediscovering the Lost Path to Liberty. You may contact Mike at: michael.maharrey@tenthamendmentcenter.com.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events; US: Kansas
KEYWORDS: 1861; 2ndamendment; banglist; constitution; guncontrol; kansas; ks; molonlabe; secondamendment
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1 posted on 04/29/2013 4:43:57 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

This is great. Kudos to Kansas. Maybe I should move there.


2 posted on 04/29/2013 4:45:47 PM PDT by American Quilter (I will succeed despite the liberals.)
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To: marktwain
Attributed to Michael Collins in the movie of the same name:
"We have a weapon more powerful... than any in the whole arsenal of the British Empire! That weapon... is our refusal!"

3 posted on 04/29/2013 4:53:17 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: marktwain
“Any act, law, treaty, order, rule or regulation of the government of the United States which violates the Second Amendment to the Constitution of the United States is null, void and unenforceable in the state of Kansas.”

And who makes the determination that one of the above mentioned entities is in violation of the Second Amendment?

4 posted on 04/29/2013 4:53:33 PM PDT by the_Watchman
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To: marktwain

The Second Civil War may have just started. God Bless the united States of America.


5 posted on 04/29/2013 4:53:58 PM PDT by MeganC (You can take my gun when you can grab it with your cold, dead fingers.)
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To: the_Watchman

“And who makes the determination that one of the above mentioned entities is in violation of the Second Amendment?”

For the purposes of the State of Kansas the people of the State of Kansas do. As they just did.


6 posted on 04/29/2013 4:55:33 PM PDT by MeganC (You can take my gun when you can grab it with your cold, dead fingers.)
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To: marktwain

I have wondered this in in the past...
why it is that city, county, and state law enforcement
get involved in things that are actually “federal” crimes.

Whether it is making counterfeiting money,
sawing the barrel off a shotgun,
making home-made alcohol,
or ripping the label off a mattress...

...if the feds want to make all sorts of rules,
then why does it fall to city, county, and state law enforcement to enforce them?

The supreme court pretty much said that Arizona can’t enforce federal immigration law, so what’s the difference?


7 posted on 04/29/2013 4:56:23 PM PDT by Repeal The 17th (We have met the enemy and he is us.)
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To: American Quilter
Maybe I should move there.

We've driven through many times, and always enjoy the people...and there are some really pretty rural towns (Pratt and Concordia come immediately to mind).

But also having driven through Greensburg a few years after it's scouring, I think I'd pass on wanting to retire there; well, there's the winter weather, also.

8 posted on 04/29/2013 4:58:36 PM PDT by ErnBatavia (Piffle....)
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To: marktwain
"But without a doubt, Congress will pass some sort of gun-control legislation."

Oh, yeah? We'll see how that goes in the House of Representatives--very minute detail and name, and it will not be forgotten during the campaigns for the next two elections.


9 posted on 04/29/2013 4:59:47 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: the_Watchman
That's why it's kind of a nothing bill, IMO. The Supreme Court interprets the Constitution, per Marbury, so if 0bama gets a rubber stamp panel the Kansas legislators will simply shrug their shoulders and say "too bad, but at least we tried."
10 posted on 04/29/2013 5:11:41 PM PDT by Trod Upon (Every penny given to film and TV media companies goes right into enemy coffers. Starve them out!)
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To: the_Watchman; MeganC

“And who makes the determination that one of the above mentioned entities is in violation of the Second Amendment?”

I do. You do. We all do. Who else is more knowledgeable to make the determination after having read the amendment and the arguments and writings that supported its inclusion in the Constitution? Would you care to extend your remark with an explanation?


11 posted on 04/29/2013 5:14:06 PM PDT by chulaivn66 (Semper Fidelis in Extremis)
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To: Trod Upon

“The Supreme Court interprets the Constitution, per Marbury,”

They are not the exclusive one to do so. Every citizen gets to do so, when they sit on a jury. Every peace officer gets to do so when they decide to arrest or not. Every judge gets to do so, and so do prosecutors. Every elected official gets to do so, though they have run from their duty in droves over the last 50 years.

Alexis de Toqueville remarked on it in Democracy in America.


12 posted on 04/29/2013 5:17:56 PM PDT by marktwain (The MSM must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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To: marktwain

State prosecutors will serve federal agents violating the law with a complaint and summons.

Sing it from the mountaintops...

13 posted on 04/29/2013 5:19:02 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: marktwain
In other words, the law prohibits state and local agents in Kansas from participating in any federal gun-control measures restricting the individual right to keep and bear arms as understood when Kansas became a state in 1861.

So that means sawed-off shotguns are legal? Fully automatic weapons are legal? RPG launchers are legal? Good luck with enforcing that.

14 posted on 04/29/2013 5:20:54 PM PDT by 0.E.O
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To: marktwain
The new law also makes it illegal for any federal agent to enforce any law, treaty, order, rule or regulation regarding firearms manufactured, owned and remaining within Kansas’ borders. Violators could face felony charges. State prosecutors will serve federal agents violating the law with a complaint and summons.

So they cannot enforce federal laws prohibiting firearms that are manufactured in Kansas from being brought into a federal courthouse or a federal prison? But they can keep them out of state courthouses, the state capitol, or state prisons? Kind of unfair if you ask me.

15 posted on 04/29/2013 5:22:56 PM PDT by 0.E.O
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To: 0.E.O

Figures a boot lick such as you would be on the wrong side of this issue.


16 posted on 04/29/2013 5:25:35 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: 0.E.O; All
But they can keep them out of state courthouses, the state capitol, or state prisons? Kind of unfair if you ask me.

It appears they would have no problem enforcing state laws keeping guns out of federal courthouses or federal prisons. These law did not exist 100+ years ago, and we had very low crime rates. Realistically, there should be almost no need for federal courthouses or federal prisons. Only 30 years ago, it was well established that crime was a state matter. The federal criminalization of vast numbers of activities needs to be rolled back by about 95%.

17 posted on 04/29/2013 5:29:29 PM PDT by marktwain (The MSM must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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To: marktwain; 0.E.O
Mark FYI,

0.E.O = statist, federalist apologist.

18 posted on 04/29/2013 5:31:54 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: 0.E.O
So that means sawed-off shotguns are legal? Fully automatic weapons are legal? RPG launchers are legal? Good luck with enforcing that.

The state has its own laws about these matters. I do not see any problem with them refusing to enforce federal law on them. Machine guns were easily purchased before 1932 and were an insignificant problem, most of which was with guns stolen from the government.

Having short barrelled shotguns and rifles illegal only makes sense if you make handguns illegal. Otherwise it is simple stupidity. Rocket launchers were legal until 1968, and we had no problems with them.

What is your point? That ATF will attempt to enforce the federal laws? Possible, but much of this effort is an attempt to push a 10th amendment test case. It may well not work. I have little faith in Roberts or Scalia.

19 posted on 04/29/2013 5:37:48 PM PDT by marktwain (The MSM must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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To: central_va
Figures a boot lick such as you would be on the wrong side of this issue.

Figures that someone like you would assume you're right and everyone else is wrong. As the story is written it's impossible to interpret it any other way. Obviously the story is incorrect in a number of areas. This legislation is no different that the kind of legislation passed in other states. None of them have been tested in court as yet, but given the fate of nullification efforts in the past I don't hold out much hope for the good people of Kansas or their law.

20 posted on 04/29/2013 5:39:57 PM PDT by 0.E.O
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To: 0.E.O

Keep licking that Federal boot boy. They done got you good.


21 posted on 04/29/2013 5:41:20 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: American Quilter

I am moving there.


22 posted on 04/29/2013 5:43:16 PM PDT by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: marktwain
It appears they would have no problem enforcing state laws keeping guns out of federal courthouses or federal prisons.

Can state laws do that? States can pass laws keeping weapons from state prisons, state courts, any police or sheriff office, etc. but according to Article I Congress exercises exclusive legislation over all government facilities. You cannot carry a gun into a federal courtroom or a federal prison because federal law prevents it and until now, federal law trumped state law. Prime example, in Kansas a judge with a concealed carry permit can carry his or her weapon with them into court. But a federal judge in Kansas can't carry a gun into their federal court room because federal law prohibits it. But if the federal government cannot enforce any federal law impairing the right to keep and bear arms then how can they prevent a Kansas citizen from taking their legal firearm, manufactured and possessed in Kansas, into any federal facility they want?

23 posted on 04/29/2013 5:50:08 PM PDT by 0.E.O
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To: 0.E.O

Why shouldn’t all weapons be legal? Men can kill with their bare hands so we should make hands illegal? Punish the crime, not the ability to commit a crime.


24 posted on 04/29/2013 5:50:27 PM PDT by WMarshal (Free citizen, never a subject or a civilian)
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To: central_va
Keep licking that Federal boot boy. They done got you good.

And I'm supposed to take lectures on boot-licking from someone who lives in a blue state? One that went for Obama? Twice? How's that hope-and-change stuff working out for ya?

25 posted on 04/29/2013 5:52:05 PM PDT by 0.E.O
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To: 0.E.O

I may move to Kansas.


26 posted on 04/29/2013 5:53:36 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: marktwain
The state has its own laws about these matters. I do not see any problem with them refusing to enforce federal law on them. Machine guns were easily purchased before 1932 and were an insignificant problem, most of which was with guns stolen from the government.

Actually they don't. Sawed-off shotguns and fully automatic weapons are illegal because federal law prohibits them, not state law. But if this Kansas law prohibits the enforcement of federal laws restricting ownership then unless the state passes a law regulating them then they should be legal. Or at least immune from prosecution if you own one.

What is your point? That ATF will attempt to enforce the federal laws?

If they try to enforce them then that's a felony, isn't it?

27 posted on 04/29/2013 5:56:53 PM PDT by 0.E.O
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To: central_va
I may move to Kansas.

Hell move on up here to Nebraska. We got plenty of room, just dumped a Democrat Senator instead of electing one, and except for the oddballs in the 2nd Congressional district we haven't voted for a Democrat since 1964. Just leave any Obama-loving tendencies that you may have picked up behind you.

28 posted on 04/29/2013 6:02:45 PM PDT by 0.E.O
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To: WMarshal
Why shouldn’t all weapons be legal? Men can kill with their bare hands so we should make hands illegal? Punish the crime, not the ability to commit a crime.

My feeling is that any person permitted by their state to carry a concealed weapon should be able to carry the weapon of their choice to any public building they want to, be it school, court room, state capitol, city hall, police station, whatever.

29 posted on 04/29/2013 6:05:59 PM PDT by 0.E.O
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To: marktwain

Once we kicked Sebelius’ worthless butt out Kansas became well again.


30 posted on 04/29/2013 6:07:44 PM PDT by Old Yeller
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To: central_va

I’d rather have the local county Sheriff arrest the federal agents as they are violating the law.


31 posted on 04/29/2013 6:20:57 PM PDT by joseph20 (...to ourselves and our Posterity...)
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To: 0.E.O
But a federal judge in Kansas can't carry a gun into their federal court room because federal law prohibits it.

I believe your are mistaken. Federal judges can carry in court. http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2009-05-25/news/36858552_1_federal-court-federal-judge-local-court-officials

32 posted on 04/29/2013 6:37:17 PM PDT by marktwain (The MSM must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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To: marktwain

33 posted on 04/29/2013 6:40:06 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: 0.E.O

Nebraska is definitely a better pick than Kansas. No initiative or referendum allowed in KS. You can’t petition the legislature to do anything.


34 posted on 04/29/2013 7:23:09 PM PDT by x_plus_one (John Ransom: truth always resides wherever brave men still have ammunition.)
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To: marktwain

KS newspaper editors hate Brownback, because they’re all leftists. They run editorials written by leftist poly-sci profs trashing him almost daily. I think he’s great.


35 posted on 04/29/2013 7:37:00 PM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: marktwain
It appears they would have no problem enforcing state laws keeping guns out of federal courthouses or federal prisons. These law did not exist 100+ years ago, and we had very low crime rates. Realistically, there should be almost no need for federal courthouses or federal prisons. Only 30 years ago, it was well established that crime was a state matter. The federal criminalization of vast numbers of activities needs to be rolled back by about 95%.

That's pretty generous... I'd certainly go for dumping the US Code Title 18 excepting Sec 242 & 241... I'm sure that's more than 95% gone there.

36 posted on 04/29/2013 8:22:38 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: x_plus_one
Nebraska is definitely a better pick than Kansas. No initiative or referendum allowed in KS. You can’t petition the legislature to do anything.

Only half the legislators to screw things up, too. We have, I believe, the only unicameral legislature in the country.

37 posted on 04/30/2013 3:40:51 AM PDT by 0.E.O
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To: 0.E.O

Douglas County went red last election. Amazing.


38 posted on 04/30/2013 7:19:41 AM PDT by x_plus_one (John Ransom: truth always resides wherever brave men still have ammunition.)
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To: x_plus_one
Douglas County went red last election. Amazing.

Douglas County has Lawrence. Lawrence has University of Kansas. Nuff said.

39 posted on 04/30/2013 7:28:57 AM PDT by 0.E.O
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To: marktwain

I agree with the author, Kansas is pointing the way forward. Liberty must be found & defended at home!


40 posted on 04/30/2013 12:28:13 PM PDT by Monorprise
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To: MeganC

“The Second Civil War may have just started. God Bless the united States of America.”

No, not yet.

Kansas and her Sister states have no intention of provoking a Federal invasion, Not yet anyway.

Kansas is taking a bold step beyond mere nullification and into the domain of interposition but even so I do not believe she intends to tried much into that territory. It would be foolish of her to do so before her sister States are ready to back her and do likewise.

For now Kansas needs to let the feds try(and find innocent of course) their own officers. Let this be a political stunt to display the self-serving corruption of the Federal courts. That is exactly what needs to happen politically, before we move on to real interposition.

For now nullification is where we need to go, and I remind you the whole propose of nullification is to legitimize just resistance to unjust federal usurpation of so named rights of the people. This is the beginning of a movement against Washington, but we must have a large number of our sister states morally and practically behind us before we move on.


41 posted on 04/30/2013 12:39:10 PM PDT by Monorprise
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To: Trod Upon

Let the Federal employees in black robes enforce their own edicts.

That being said Kansas is legitimization resistance to Federal usurpation. They are not seriously intending to move solidly into interposition. It is not time for that and Kansas knows it.

Instead Kansas is setting up the next political ‘stunt’ which we need to be preparing ourselves to take advantage of.

This this ‘stunt’ will be to highlight the self-serving corruption of the Federal employees in black robes, thus further undermining their legitimacy and paving the political path towards effective acts of interposition.


42 posted on 04/30/2013 12:48:22 PM PDT by Monorprise
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To: American Quilter; demshateGod; central_va

You would not like the weather. Maybe we could work out a temporary residence exchange or vacation swap. I’m pretty sure you all would change your minds, I would have to return to Kansas, and you all could not wait to get back home.


43 posted on 05/01/2013 12:14:41 AM PDT by tdscpa
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To: Old Yeller
We did not kick her worthless butt out. She got drafted into the Owe-bama army for the war against America.
44 posted on 05/02/2013 1:20:18 AM PDT by tdscpa
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To: tdscpa

I’m in the Kansas City area now doing interviews. I am moving here (Lord willing). The weather cant be worse than Oklahoma.


45 posted on 05/02/2013 4:07:25 AM PDT by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: 0.E.O
So they cannot enforce federal laws prohibiting firearms that are manufactured in Kansas from being brought into a federal courthouse or a federal prison?

Noob you are making up arguments. Kansas law states you can not carry Any place where the carrying of firearms is prohibited by federal or state law.

46 posted on 05/02/2013 4:32:05 AM PDT by Starstruck (Don't rest. We came close to the 2nd Amendment being field tested.)
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To: Starstruck
Noob you are making up arguments. Kansas law states you can not carry Any place where the carrying of firearms is prohibited by federal or state law.

But any federal law prohibiting the carrying of firearms manufactured and carried in the state of Kansas are null and void. Or didn't you read the article, old timer?

47 posted on 05/02/2013 4:42:23 AM PDT by 0.E.O
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To: 0.E.O
But any federal law prohibiting the carrying of firearms manufactured and carried in the state of Kansas are null and void. Or didn't you read the article, old timer?

But the law I just quoted was a State law not a Federal law. This new law did not overide existing Kansas State laws.

48 posted on 05/02/2013 8:19:06 AM PDT by Starstruck (Don't rest. We came close to the 2nd Amendment being field tested.)
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To: Starstruck
But the law I just quoted was a State law not a Federal law. This new law did not overide existing Kansas State laws.

OK, let me try this again. According to you, in Kansas you can't carry a firearm anywhere that state or federal law prohibits it. But this act nullifies all federal laws restricting gun ownership, so the only restriction is where Kansas law prohibits it. Irony aside, states can pass laws restricting carrying in state buildings, state courts, state prisons, state law enforcement facilities, state schools, what have you. They cannot pass laws prohibiting or allowing carrying in federal courts, federal buildings, federal prisons, any facility owned and controlled by the federal government. Only Congress can do that. And no matter what Congress says, those kind of laws cannot be enforced in Kansas. So by rights the people of Kansas should be able to take their firearms into federal court, federal buildings, any federal facility they want so long as they are approved to carry by the state of Kansas and, possibly, only if the gun was manufactured in the state.

Clear now?

49 posted on 05/02/2013 8:37:51 AM PDT by 0.E.O
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To: 0.E.O
But this act nullifies all federal laws restricting gun ownership

Still not seeing where restricting where you can carry restricts owning a gun. You can't enter my house with a gun unless I allow it. I'm not restricting you from owning a gun.

50 posted on 05/02/2013 9:39:06 AM PDT by Starstruck (Don't rest. We came close to the 2nd Amendment being field tested.)
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