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EXPLOSIVE REPORT: FORCES WERE AVAILABLE TO HELP AMERICANS UNDER ATTACK IN BENGHAZI
The blaze ^ | 4-29-2013 | Jason Howerton

Posted on 04/29/2013 6:26:39 PM PDT by crosslink

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To: jjotto
Yes, I think the later article refutes most of that. His retirement had been planned some time before Sept. 11, 2012.

Top AFRICOM Commander General Carter Ham Was Never Ordered to Save US Men in Benghazi (Video) October 28, 2012

There is Cong. Chaffetz, on the same date as your article, saying that Gen. Ham was never given an order. Quoting Gen. Ham who also said that assets were available.

101 posted on 04/29/2013 9:08:19 PM PDT by TigersEye (If babies had guns they wouldn't be aborted)
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To: crosslink

Everyone already knew this...

They had laser pointers on targets and we didn’t send the ordinance that was in range.


102 posted on 04/29/2013 9:12:58 PM PDT by Safrguns
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To: Lancey Howard

RetiredColonel is an auctioneer.


103 posted on 04/29/2013 9:13:08 PM PDT by The_Media_never_lie (Actually, they lie when it suits them! The crooked MS media must be defeated any way it can be done!)
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To: TigersEye

Yes. There seems to be only one source for the ‘Ham relieved’ story: tigerdroppings.com, referenced in the Washington Times story.


104 posted on 04/29/2013 9:13:21 PM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: crosslink

Forward to my Obama loving uncle, listen to more pathetic denial.

Liberalism is a cult, not dissimilar to Islam. Just dressed up a little nicer.


105 posted on 04/29/2013 9:13:52 PM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s.....you weren't really there)
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To: GeorgeWashingtonsGhost

We still don’t know where the CIC was that night. I want to know what he was doing. He and Hillary have blood of Americans on their hands and they better pay. This is getting big.


106 posted on 04/29/2013 9:14:33 PM PDT by dandiegirl
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To: dandiegirl

Do you think we will have the answers to these questions by 9/11/2014?


107 posted on 04/29/2013 9:16:50 PM PDT by The_Media_never_lie (Actually, they lie when it suits them! The crooked MS media must be defeated any way it can be done!)
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To: skeeter

“I can easily see balless Barry waffling at the height of the attack - ‘what will happen to my campaign if someone gets hurt?’”

skeeter, you are being much to hard on the Poofter in Chief; he wasn’t waffling, he was having a very private conference with Reggie Love and they had the Do Not Disturb sign out.


108 posted on 04/29/2013 9:18:52 PM PDT by Pelham (Without Deportation you have De Facto Amnesty.)
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To: jjotto
If he was fired for attempting to defy 0bungles it was a very slow motion firing...

Rodriguez Succeeds Ham as Africom Commander

By Claudette Roulo American Forces Press Service

STUTTGART, Germany, April 5, 2013 – Army Gen. David M. Rodriguez became U.S. Africa Command’s third commander here today during a ceremony at the command’s headquarters with Army Gen. Martin E. Dempsey, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, presiding.

Rodriguez succeeds Army Gen. Carter F. Ham, who is retiring after a 39-year career that included two years as an enlisted infantryman in the 82nd Airborne Division.


109 posted on 04/29/2013 9:21:13 PM PDT by TigersEye (If babies had guns they wouldn't be aborted)
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To: crosslink; Travis McGee

“Cross Border Authority” bump!


111 posted on 04/29/2013 9:23:59 PM PDT by Perseverando (The truth is hate to those who hate the truth.)
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To: RetiredColonel
They don't need permission from the local government they only need a CBA from the POTUS.

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Three Facts

Fact One:

1) Only the POTUS can authorize a CBA (cross border authority) command for a rescue mission in a foreign nation.

Plus Fact Two:

2) No rescue mission was attempted.

Equals Fact Three:

3) 0bama turned his back on 41 State Dept. and CIA employees refusing to issue a CBA command and went to bed so he could go to Las Vegas the next day.

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Now go read those links I gave you before you make an even bigger fool of yourself.

112 posted on 04/29/2013 9:24:47 PM PDT by TigersEye (If babies had guns they wouldn't be aborted)
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To: RetiredColonel

Would you feel the same way if Bush had been CIC? I think not.


113 posted on 04/29/2013 9:25:44 PM PDT by dandiegirl
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To: RetiredColonel; crosslink
If you really want to have fun you could answer post #43.

To: RetiredColonel

With all due respect sir your wrong, 5 people rented a civilian plane, flew into Benghazi and rescued 30 people.


43 posted on 04/29/2013 7:03:55 PM PDT by crosslink
(Moderates should play in the middle of a busy street)

114 posted on 04/29/2013 9:34:56 PM PDT by TigersEye (If babies had guns they wouldn't be aborted)
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To: crosslink; Marine_Uncle; TigersEye; justa-hairyape; onyx; SunkenCiv; Grampa Dave; NormsRevenge
Purge Time?
115 posted on 04/29/2013 9:48:12 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ((The Global Warming Hoax was a Criminal Act....where is Al Gore?))
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; crosslink

I don’t know about that. As far as Benghazi goes the USS John C. Stennis was in the Persian Gulf at the time (IIRC) which definitely was too far away to have been of help. Plenty of assets were closer.


116 posted on 04/29/2013 9:53:12 PM PDT by TigersEye (If babies had guns they wouldn't be aborted)
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To: blueunicorn6
Panetta didn't have command over that one....

Freaking amazing!

118 posted on 04/29/2013 9:58:50 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ((The Global Warming Hoax was a Criminal Act....where is Al Gore?))
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To: wastedyears

Foxnews is carrying it....and they are getting more viewers all the time.


119 posted on 04/29/2013 10:02:00 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ((The Global Warming Hoax was a Criminal Act....where is Al Gore?))
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To: Hetty_Fauxvert
The Upcoming hearings will show names and faces.

Unless Obama is successful at stonewalling.

120 posted on 04/29/2013 10:04:30 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ((The Global Warming Hoax was a Criminal Act....where is Al Gore?))
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To: RetiredColonel

Read the links I gave you written by someone who did train for such things.


121 posted on 04/29/2013 10:04:41 PM PDT by TigersEye (If babies had guns they wouldn't be aborted)
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To: TigersEye

I agree that there was a derilection of duty. However, the attacks happened in the afternoon Eastern time zone. Unless Obama goes to bed before the sunset in DC, that accusation makes no sense.


122 posted on 04/29/2013 10:10:47 PM PDT by HawkHogan
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To: jjotto; TigerClaws; TigersEye; Marine_Uncle
FR thread:

TRR: Is a General losing his job over Benghazi?

Posted on Sun 28 Oct 2012 03:01:13 PM EDT by TigerClaws

123 posted on 04/29/2013 10:11:14 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ((The Global Warming Hoax was a Criminal Act....where is Al Gore?))
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To: TigersEye
Hmm...OK.
124 posted on 04/29/2013 10:12:37 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ((The Global Warming Hoax was a Criminal Act....where is Al Gore?))
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To: HawkHogan

The attack was still ongoing at 1:AM Sept. 12th EDST. 0bozo is said to retire at 9:PM most nights. Any other trivial complaints?


125 posted on 04/29/2013 10:14:14 PM PDT by TigersEye (If babies had guns they wouldn't be aborted)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; crosslink; TigersEye; justa-hairyape; onyx; SunkenCiv; Grampa Dave; ...
RE: "Purge Time?"
I vote NO. Let us give the good Colonel some time. It may turn out he is as much a conservative patriot as any of us.
I can think back in the first days I joined this site and delved into why our Army and Marines where not ably protected in the ground vehicles such as HUMVEES in particular, for the end result being I convinced quite a few folks with facts as how over time the type steel was no longer available in stocks in American fonderies.
FR did not boot me off as a noobe at that point. I seem to still be around.
Give him a chance. Some of what he said many of us would echo, in how our troops should not be used with such cavalier abandonment.
Let us give the Colonel some time to fit in and converse with fact based arguments as to where this will all lead.
You all did not call for me to get the axe, after I made a number of informed statements as how long it would actually take a F16 fully loaded with AG weapons to take off from Signolla and hover over the Annex area, after a things where produced no one later disputed.
If the good Colonel is one of us, then legit discourse will come along. He will have a chance to dispute what others bring forth, and vice versa.
That's my take on it Ernest. Do all have a healthy and content upcoming day where possible.
126 posted on 04/29/2013 10:14:25 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Galt level is not far away......)
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To: The_Media_never_lie
Colonel retired from racing in July 2010.


127 posted on 04/29/2013 10:15:56 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Lancey Howard

One end of the horse has decided to join us on FR.


128 posted on 04/29/2013 10:17:24 PM PDT by TigersEye (If babies had guns they wouldn't be aborted)
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To: TigersEye

On Foxnews the intervuee, said their was a C-120 unit train in Crochia at the time. I think a 40 man unit.


129 posted on 04/29/2013 10:17:50 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ((The Global Warming Hoax was a Criminal Act....where is Al Gore?))
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Right. He also said they could have been there in 4-5 hours max. Early reports last fall were that such a team had been moved from a base in Germany and was on the tarmax at Sigonella awaiting orders.


130 posted on 04/29/2013 10:21:02 PM PDT by TigersEye (If babies had guns they wouldn't be aborted)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

As we came to find out. General Ham did not get the axe. He was already in the loop to be replaced. Then retired in 2013.


131 posted on 04/29/2013 10:22:41 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Galt level is not far away......)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; TigersEye
Geez,...it's getting late...couple of typos....and it should be a C-130.

I assume he was referring to a Gunship with the cannon and Gatling gun.

132 posted on 04/29/2013 10:23:51 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ((The Global Warming Hoax was a Criminal Act....where is Al Gore?))
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
And the article says it was a C-110.

Guess what aircraft it was can get cleared up later.

133 posted on 04/29/2013 10:26:01 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ((The Global Warming Hoax was a Criminal Act....where is Al Gore?))
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To: TigersEye

Didn’t he mention a unit was training in Croatia....hope I spelled that right.


134 posted on 04/29/2013 10:28:10 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ((The Global Warming Hoax was a Criminal Act....where is Al Gore?))
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To: TigersEye
I was thinking exactly the same thing.

"We have more to worry about than one bad incident with four KIA. Sad, but get over it."


135 posted on 04/29/2013 10:28:20 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: RetiredColonel

Hmm ... Thank you for your comment, Retired Colonel Vested Interest ... Somehow, I don’t think anyone’s buying your kind anymore. So sorry .


136 posted on 04/29/2013 10:31:12 PM PDT by JennysCool (My hypocrisy goes only so far)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
You were only off by 10! LOL

Yes, he probably meant the gunship but a C-130 could also be used for an air drop or landing on a rough airstrip so it could have been used both for troop insertion and an evac.

137 posted on 04/29/2013 10:31:43 PM PDT by TigersEye (If babies had guns they wouldn't be aborted)
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To: Lancey Howard
They all had a really cool plan .....but when Al-queda showed up,....it was a simple plan for Failure.

Now they dedy that they had a cool plan.

Referring to the CIA outpost there and what they were up to.

138 posted on 04/29/2013 10:32:00 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ((The Global Warming Hoax was a Criminal Act....where is Al Gore?))
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Yes, I believe he did.


139 posted on 04/29/2013 10:33:29 PM PDT by TigersEye (If babies had guns they wouldn't be aborted)
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To: Lancey Howard
Oh, that guy! I can't stand him.
140 posted on 04/29/2013 10:34:20 PM PDT by TigersEye (If babies had guns they wouldn't be aborted)
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To: RetiredColonel

Gee. If only everyone was as “strategic” and “tactical” as you ... we might have lost every conflict we were ever involved in.


141 posted on 04/29/2013 10:38:09 PM PDT by JennysCool (My hypocrisy goes only so far)
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To: Marine_Uncle; RetiredColonel
It may turn out he is as much a conservative patriot as any of us.

EXTREMELY doubtful. We certainly know that "bold" isn't exactly in this "Colonel's" vocabulary.

142 posted on 04/29/2013 10:40:34 PM PDT by JennysCool (My hypocrisy goes only so far)
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To: JennysCool

I’ll respect your opinion as well as his until we have a bit of dialog from him over time. Fair enough?


143 posted on 04/29/2013 10:44:54 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Galt level is not far away......)
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To: Marine_Uncle

Sorry. Can’t buy disinformation from someone who signed up two weeks ago, probably in anticipation of this report coming out.

We used to make fun of such disinformation moles when it was the Soviet Union doing it.


144 posted on 04/29/2013 10:50:44 PM PDT by JennysCool (My hypocrisy goes only so far)
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To: Marine_Uncle

The problem is that no one is being held accountable. No one fired. No one reprimanded. There was no plan. And the actions of the administration resulted in people getting dead uselessly.


145 posted on 04/29/2013 10:54:19 PM PDT by petitfour
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To: null and void

**** “Even a single fly over with an A-10 could have broken the attack without a single shot fired.” *****

True

Problem is an A-10 doesn’t have the legs unsupported... doesn’t mean it couldn’t happen but the planning and coordination makes it unlikely, besides there were other assets nearby that could have worked just as well or much better, AC-130 Gunship that “was” there and could have ended it within minutes with a simple fly-over or cut loose with a flip of a switch and really ended it ... if only authorized to do so.

TT


146 posted on 04/29/2013 10:59:39 PM PDT by TexasTransplant (Idiocracy used to just be a Movie... Live every day as your last...one day you will be right)
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To: RetiredColonel
Colonel. Welcome aboard. Sorry you had to earn the wrath of one hell of a lot of wonderful patriots at this site.
It goes along with the territory. In the days to come perhaps you will consider sticking around. You should if you are as advertised.
As I write it is surely obvious to me as well as you that you ticked a few folks off considerably. But then I ticked a few off many years back more then once.
If you are a patriot, conservative would help, soldier in good standing, then stick around for a while or for years.
I want to see Hildabeast and the Kenyan usurper in particular literally FRY, and if General, later CIA Director Petreous was in on a cover up that let our men down, fry, so be it as well.
I would hope you feel the same way. Perhaps you joined this site realizing there are one hell of a lot of good folks here, and many do consider facts being presented in a careful format.
As your aware, the Benghazi issue is dear to quite a few of our hearts.
So many of us God loving American patriots felt like we lost family.
I'll leave it go at that.
147 posted on 04/29/2013 11:01:23 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Galt level is not far away......)
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To: JennysCool
I respect your opinion, and sentiments. I feel the same way.
Believe me. You take care.
148 posted on 04/29/2013 11:02:55 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Galt level is not far away......)
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To: petitfour
Believe me Freeper. I hold the same feelings, and facts.
All I had asked for is the new member have a reason to stay around and be cleared over time. If he is not a troll, then over time he will make known to some he is worthy of dialog.
149 posted on 04/29/2013 11:05:22 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Galt level is not far away......)
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To: petitfour

I guess Barack thought his malfeasance would get lost in the “fog of war.” In a way it’s reminiscent of the dirty trick that the early King David pulled on Uriah. It was easier to get treasonous than it was to confess to monkey business. Of course Barack wouldn’t have been fit to shine David’s shoes even then....


150 posted on 04/29/2013 11:08:39 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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