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Ron Paul: Police Manhunt For Boston Marathon Bombing Suspect Scarier Than Attack
The Washington Times ^ | April 30, 2013 | Cheryl K. Chumley

Posted on 04/30/2013 5:30:30 AM PDT by Biggirl

Former Rep. Ron Paul said the law enforcement that swarmed around Boston in the days following the marathon bombings was scarier than the actual terrorist attack.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; US: Massachusetts
KEYWORDS: bbronpaul; boston; bostonbombings; lockdown; marathon; paul; police; ronpaul; tsarnaev
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1 posted on 04/30/2013 5:30:30 AM PDT by Biggirl
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To: Biggirl

Somewhat agree.


2 posted on 04/30/2013 5:31:17 AM PDT by blackdog (There is no such thing as healing, only a balance between destructive and constructive forces.)
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To: Biggirl

I know what he means but he’ll be crucified for it as uncaring to the victims and unsupportive of law enforcement by the drive-bys.


3 posted on 04/30/2013 5:32:48 AM PDT by headstamp 2 (What would Scooby do?)
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To: Biggirl

The historical potential for mass murder is far greater for a police state as demonstrated in the manhunt,

than for all the terrorist attacks combined.


4 posted on 04/30/2013 5:34:54 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Biggirl

5 posted on 04/30/2013 5:34:54 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Biggirl

After watching the Dornier manhunt and then the Boston terrorist manhunt can anyone even comprehend what would happen should there be squads of hundred men strong teams of pro-2A militia intent upon removing corrupt higher office holding persons absolutely without a doubt illegally going against the Constitution?

All across America at the same time?

no wonder DHS wants a couple billion rounds of ammo, they must be deathly terrified the sheeple are gonna uprise against the evil mutton butchers.


6 posted on 04/30/2013 5:37:00 AM PDT by Spartan302 (Spartans never quit, they come back later with more warriors.)
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To: Biggirl

Is anyone in Boston complaining?
My guess is that they were terrified that they would be blown up next and are happy that the two were stopped.
I am counting on Liz Warren to take care of Boston, they voted for her.

If police searched without warrants does that mean that what they found could not be used against them in court?


7 posted on 04/30/2013 5:37:08 AM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position.)
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To: Biggirl

Mixed feelings.

FReepers don’t want to admit it but they don’t have any other solutions and don’t want to admit that the days of the posse weren’t much different.


8 posted on 04/30/2013 5:38:10 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Biggirl

Some criticism of the manhunt may be valid, but how many Bostonians died or lost limbs at the hands of law enforcement officers during the manhunt?


9 posted on 04/30/2013 5:42:27 AM PDT by windsorknot
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To: cripplecreek

I would say FReepers do have solutions, however unlike the left if we say them in this forum, the FBI will come knocking on doors.

Will wait till the SHTF then figure it out. Plus we are better at organizing in a distributed manner.


10 posted on 04/30/2013 5:45:37 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (The reason we own guns is to protect ourselves from those wanting to take our guns from us.)
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To: sickoflibs

Personally I think less cops and more community involvement is one option but I don’t have any expectation of perfection.

I would also remind the people that police are potentially dangerous (as they should be sometimes) and its a tense situation.


11 posted on 04/30/2013 5:48:06 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Biggirl

Ron Paul went a bit too far. I don’t like the comparison, but he has a point on the heavy-handed manner of LE.

There are escaped prisoners loose every now and then, and madmen and armed criminals are on the loose in very major city. Note the idiotic LE didn’t even catch the last guy until Coupe Deval ended the lockdown, and a commoner called 911. It was not just unreasonable and disgraceful, it didn’t work all that well. Will they have lockdowns anytime there is any perceived danger?


12 posted on 04/30/2013 5:56:55 AM PDT by PghBaldy (12/14 - 930am -rampage begins... 12/15 - 1030am - Obama's advance team scouts photo-op locations.)
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To: Biggirl

I completely agree, the hunt should have been surreptitious and careful not overbearing bullsheet


13 posted on 04/30/2013 5:59:26 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: cripplecreek
RE :”Personally I think less cops and more community involvement is one option but I don’t have any expectation of perfection.
I would also remind the people that police are potentially dangerous (as they should be sometimes) and its a tense situation.”

It was a pretty short lived ‘police state’ and its sounds like they got the right people(the brothers) pretty timely, much to the Boston locals relief. If those two were roaming around for weeks or months, like the DC sniper was here for months in late 2002, I bet the locals would be really upset. I remember some people here terrified to go outside back then.

Ron Paul is just trying to look relevant but its not working with this.

14 posted on 04/30/2013 6:00:42 AM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position.)
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To: Biggirl

What is really scary is that these freaks were in this country at all when the FBI knew about them. There are plenty more like them hanging out the local mosques and the government does not care to do anything at all about it. It would seem they take a giddy pleasure in the deaths of their fellow countrymen. There is no other reasonable explanation for these things happening in this country.

I am beginning to believe that our government wants civil war and blood shed in this country. It is all they will need to consolidate their power. This is why we have the open borders policy. It is not because Washington cares for them. It is because they despise the independent individual and all efforts are being made to destroy the very idea of freedom and intelligence. I can no longer give any of them the benefit of the doubt. If we Americans cannot find our courage and put an end to this while it is still relatively painless, it may be our families blood that is the next to spill.


15 posted on 04/30/2013 6:03:29 AM PDT by formosa
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To: Biggirl

Absolute corruption corrupts absolutely.

I may have it wrong that adage but when we have all across America SWAT teams nearly as well armed as the military all it takes is a corrupt government to take control.

We need a strong and capable police force for when the time comes, what we don’t want is that same force being issued orders when push comes to shove trying to enforce an illegal regime across the nation, or the prevent the people from correcting such political mistakes.

thats right, political mistakes or enemy action, can be viewed as the same by many.


16 posted on 04/30/2013 6:05:43 AM PDT by Spartan302 (Spartans never quit, they come back later with more warriors.)
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To: Biggirl

Biden’s comments in Boston were laughable; “terrorists lost...Boston won’t be intimidated...etc”

that’s exactly what happened during the manhunt and lockdown.
Typical dem propaganda ....180 degrees from true. Up=down. True=false.
If he or Obie say its true it most certainly is not.

If big Sis says they’re not hoarding ammo you know they are. Facing tax increases is preceded with “I won’t raise taxes one dime”

I swear its a dem strategy. When they plan to implement strategy X, step #1 is to proclaim they would never ever consider strategy X.


17 posted on 04/30/2013 6:10:59 AM PDT by chiller (NBCNews et al is in the tank and should be embarrassed)
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To: Biggirl

I am nauseous to read the comments on this thread from so many who seem to believe that trading liberty for safety is okay — on FR of all places.. IT IS NEVER OKAY in a civilian community. The manhunt could have been done without all the militant police. I am shocked and dismayed at the attitudes expressed here. There should be outrage... I strongly suspect after reading this that FR has been heavily infiltrated by lefties...

Police had no right to bang on doors - point guns a civilians who came to the door - no right - none. Then outrageously at some homes people were made to coming out of their homes with hands on their heads - shouted at abusively. Then without warrant - the police entered and searched the homes -— That is one of the major reasons we fought the Revolutionary War !!!

There was not probable cause to do this - none. It was brute force.

I am ashamed of FR members who write such drivel saying that it is OKAY - no it is NOT.


18 posted on 04/30/2013 6:13:20 AM PDT by ICCtheWay
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To: Travis McGee
In Boston storm troopers did warrant-less door to door searches of all houses, humiliation by police , forced everyone out of each house at gunpoint “get your hands Up”

Police state experiment successful : the sheep even some on this site don't complain. here's a hint, gov is the enemy

what's Franklin's quote :
They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.

Benjamin Franklin

Hayek’s quote

‘Emergencies’ have always been the pretext on which the safeguards of individual liberty have been eroded.
Friedrich August von Hayek

Mencken qoute

The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.

H. L. Mencken

2.5 milion home invasions per year in the U.S.A and the police thugs won't protect you against that which is actually probable : a mass shooter as in adam lanza(.0000000000000000001% chance) is not probable. still i haven't been home invaded even though there are thousands of thugs out here in the city. but i’m ready with high caliber semi-auto weapons if they do invade and don't want the stupid police “Help”.

19 posted on 04/30/2013 6:16:18 AM PDT by Democrat_media (s tMary Landrieu voted for the UN to take away our 2nd amendment rights)
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To: windsorknot

They didn’t lose limbs.....they lost liberties.


20 posted on 04/30/2013 6:17:30 AM PDT by bdog2995
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To: Biggirl

He was Right, Millions just listening and not understanding it is their personnel responsibility and to allow military style search for 1 person. Had this individual tried to come into our home only one would have walked out at best.

We are becoming a nation of wimps, who in general, do not understand out Rights or Responsibilities.


21 posted on 04/30/2013 6:17:48 AM PDT by jafojeffsurf (Return to the Constitution)
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To: Biggirl

As I posted on another thread last night:

A little lesson on the law: Allowing police to come into your home, even if it’s just for a new officer to introduce him/herself, is silent consent. If the officer sits down on your couch, feels something funny, pulls your unregistered revolver from the seat cushions, you’re in trouble. The same can happen in your vehicle. The cop pulls you over, asks you to get out, and starts going through your trunk. You have nothing to hide so why protest! You don’t say no so by doing so you’re saying yes. He finds your teenage son’s friend’s bag of weed. Guess who’s going to jail for this? I just took part in a huge Bill of Rights high school assembly. These scenarios are exactly the examples that the lawyers presented. If those cops saw anything in those houses, the fact that the residents let them in to look for a terrorist is irrelevant.


22 posted on 04/30/2013 6:22:00 AM PDT by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: sickoflibs

Yes, everything can be used against them. Failing to tell the police no and opening the door to your home is silent consent.


23 posted on 04/30/2013 6:23:37 AM PDT by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: Biggirl

I can’t say he’s wrong. What bothered me most is the way the people of Watertown simply bent over and took it. I hope anyone there who refused to let the police in and were forcibly searched will follow up with a lawsuit.


24 posted on 04/30/2013 6:24:25 AM PDT by muir_redwoods (Don't fire until you see the blue of their helmets)
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To: windsorknot
Some criticism of the manhunt may be valid, but how many Bostonians died or lost limbs at the hands of law enforcement officers during the manhunt?

In the Dorner manhunt the police shot up several completely innocent people in their vehicles. Fortunately no one was killed.

Considering all the rounds thrown by police while the last suspect lay bleeding and unarmed inside a boat, I think they were more lucky than anything else in this last go around.

25 posted on 04/30/2013 6:27:45 AM PDT by Gunslingr3
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To: Biggirl

It was a civilian resident who found Tsarnaev, not a cop. The search did nothing to find him. Simply cordoning the area would have produced the same result.


26 posted on 04/30/2013 6:27:56 AM PDT by muir_redwoods (Don't fire until you see the blue of their helmets)
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To: goodwithagun
RE :”Yes, everything can be used against them. Failing to tell the police no and opening the door to your home is silent consent.”

Yes, telling the police they can search your home is consent. But what about those who were not home or who didnt answer the door? And if they were say drug dealers with lots of the product out in the open (inside) they could just refuse.

If those people agreed to a search then it wasnt much of a police state action.

27 posted on 04/30/2013 6:28:33 AM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position.)
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To: Biggirl

Look I have no problem with people using this search tactic to bash the governor. If a Republican governor had done this the left would be all over it. However, one of the reasons for this house to house searh in that neighborhood was that a suspected terrorist cell was harboring the fugitive. Both terrorist drove all over Waltham and Watertown for an hour, dense city streets, that only a local would have knowledge to navigate. They could have easily gotten on the Mass Pike and gassed up the car in five minutes from where the hijacking took place Allston. Who were the looking for or who did they meet up with in Watertown?


28 posted on 04/30/2013 6:30:50 AM PDT by outpostinmass2
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To: goodwithagun
the police didn't ask them, they pointed guns at all residents and ordered them to get out of their house. here is the video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&v=B_Gb6i5DF9k&NR=1

the gov also ORDERED everyone to not leave their house and for no one to go in

29 posted on 04/30/2013 6:31:03 AM PDT by Democrat_media (s tMary Landrieu voted for the UN to take away our 2nd amendment rights)
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To: Democrat_media
Yep, it was a successful test. "Martial law demo? Check." I'd love to know who came up with the ROE for those house-to-house searches. Who were the main actors on those "joint task forces" that integrated DHS/DOJ/FBI/State/local LE?

Aiming rifles at Americans in windows is a very big deal. Dragging Americans out of houses German Nazi style is a big deal.

"Raus! Raus! Schnell! Raus!"

And Americans didn't object at all. Just wait for the "real" national emergency, and not just this little demo project. I'm sure the DHS/SA/SS is very happy with the placid sheeple response to Watertown.


30 posted on 04/30/2013 6:31:56 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Travis McGee

Stuff like that plant the “seeds” for “revolt”.


31 posted on 04/30/2013 6:33:21 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Biggirl

You open your borders, let in tens of millions of low-lifes and criminals, and this result is inevitable.

Liberty is not for everyone. That’s why we have jails. And locks on doors, and fences, and bank vaults.

It’s nothing new.


32 posted on 04/30/2013 6:33:52 AM PDT by Steely Tom (If the Constitution can be a living document, I guess a corporation can be a person.)
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To: cripplecreek

If they needed to search homes because of the possibility that the terrorist was holding up in a home and was taking hostages, why did they force the inhabitants to keep their hands up at gunpoint and pat them down? Could the terrorist have disguised himself that well or have been hiding in someone’s pocket? The cops weren’t looking for the suspect, they were treating all citizens as criminals and conducting illegal searches.


33 posted on 04/30/2013 6:38:39 AM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: Rusty0604

.....Yet the irony of it all is that it took a guy who wanted to go out for a “smoke” to find bomber number 2, right in his boat!


34 posted on 04/30/2013 6:40:03 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Biggirl

Who pays for the time missed from work?


35 posted on 04/30/2013 6:41:23 AM PDT by fruser1
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To: formosa

And what was amazing is how willingly the people in Boston were willing to give up their freedom and dignity. Being patted down at gunpoint under the guise of looking for a particular suspect?


36 posted on 04/30/2013 6:42:59 AM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: windsorknot
Some criticism of the manhunt may be valid, but how many Bostonians died or lost limbs at the hands of law enforcement officers during the manhunt?

So you're good with having your neighborhood locked down like a cell block and have a dozen or so men with sub machineguns remove you and your family from your home at gunpoint while they ransack your house... As long as they don't shoot and/or kill you?

37 posted on 04/30/2013 6:46:39 AM PDT by Orangedog (An optimist is someone who tells you to 'cheer up' when things are going his way)
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To: sickoflibs

I just can’t help but wonder how many FReepers would feel the same outrage if it were a civilian posse doing exactly the same with zero oversight.

Lord knows how much property civilian posses destroyed over the years, or how many searches they conducted, or how many innocents they wounded or killed, or how many executions they carried out without benefit of trial.

None of it was right but we need some balance rather than grabbing our crotches and screaming “police state!”.


38 posted on 04/30/2013 6:58:27 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Spartan302
We need a strong and capable police force for when the time comes, what we don’t want is that same force being issued orders when push comes to shove trying to enforce an illegal regime across the nation, or the prevent the people from correcting such political mistakes.

No, we don't need a strong and capable police force. When you get that, you boston only worse next time. 99% of them will follow whatever orders they are given. Ask one of them if they would have followed the orders to put Anne Frank on a train to the camps in nazi germany and watch them squirm to avoid giving you an honest yes or no answer. The real answer is they would load her ass onto that rail car. The laws of human nature have not been repealed. Americans are going to have to learn the hard way that the police are not their friends.

39 posted on 04/30/2013 7:02:35 AM PDT by Orangedog (An optimist is someone who tells you to 'cheer up' when things are going his way)
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To: Biggirl

Stupid...foot in mouth . Sometimes you’re better off keeping opinion to self.

If you’re in the hospital deaf with your ears still ringing or looking at the stumps that were your legs. No you idiot it’s not scarier.


40 posted on 04/30/2013 7:04:19 AM PDT by Blackirish (Forward Comrades!!!!!!!!!)
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To: cripplecreek
RE :”None of it was right but we need some balance rather than grabbing our crotches and screaming “police state!”.

Has anyone made any legitimate complaints about that Boston police action on themselves? Like any unrelated arrests or seizures of private property resulting from these searches?

Or did they just make the locals feel more secure? Like I said, if these two were running around for months like the DC snipers were in 2002 there would be lots of angry Bostonians.

Clearly Ron Paul is just blogging from else-where.
This is the best he can find to complain about?

41 posted on 04/30/2013 7:07:39 AM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position.)
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To: Biggirl

The left has found the range. Only crazy Ron Paulites object!

Forget that one million people under martial law, while law enforcement lies about the terrorist being armed to avoid early scrutiny. That’s just sausage making details there.

Finally, the media can run with the story -it’s Paulites.


42 posted on 04/30/2013 7:07:44 AM PDT by Fitzy_888 ("ownership society")
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To: sickoflibs

Door to door warrantless searches did NOT get the 2 bombers, it was a guy outside the search zone who noticed a blood stain on his boat.
Those who sacrifice freedom for security deserve neither freedom or security.


43 posted on 04/30/2013 7:12:58 AM PDT by chae (I was anti-Obama before it was cool)
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To: Biggirl

Another point to consider.....

I noticed at least one SWAT team member in Watertown had what looked like a digital camcorder mounted on top of his helmet.

I wouldn’t appreciate having the layout of my house, the rooms and their contents recorded. An invasion of privacy as well as a potential threat to the security of both myself and my family members.

Who saw those images? Were they destroyed or deleted after the search of a home didn’t turn up any terrorists?


44 posted on 04/30/2013 7:15:03 AM PDT by july4thfreedomfoundation (November 4, 2008 and November 6, 2012.....Two days that will live in infamy!)
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To: sickoflibs
This is the best he can find to complain about?

He should be concentrating on the fact that our government is creating these problems by importing terrorists and has been for a very long time.
45 posted on 04/30/2013 7:15:17 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: cripplecreek
RE :”He should be concentrating on the fact that our government is creating these problems by importing terrorists and has been for a very long time. “

We are together 100% on that one.

Ron is the King of irrelevance. He'd be whining about those two terrorists treatment if he thought anyone would care.

46 posted on 04/30/2013 7:21:40 AM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position.)
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To: chae; cripplecreek
RE Those who sacrifice freedom for security deserve neither freedom or security.”

This sounds so far about nothing.

Ron Paul needs a different hobby now that he is retired.
He is still the king of irrelevence.

47 posted on 04/30/2013 7:22:53 AM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position.)
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To: Biggirl

I agree.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2013/04/28/Pentagon-Consults-Extremist-Who-Calls-Christians-Monsters-and-Enemies-of-the-Constitution-to-Develop-Religious-Tolerance-Policy


48 posted on 04/30/2013 7:26:55 AM PDT by Linda Frances (Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness)
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To: Orangedog

How many homes were “ransacked”, names and addresses, please.


49 posted on 04/30/2013 7:28:14 AM PDT by windsorknot
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To: chae

“Door to door warrantless searches did NOT get the 2 bombers, it was a guy outside the search zone who noticed a blood stain on his boat.”

Sure the searches were part of why they got the terrorist. If police don’t chase them, shoot it out with them, and cordon off the area, as well as search the houses, the loser doesn’t hop in a boat bleeding all over the boat.


50 posted on 04/30/2013 7:28:56 AM PDT by rbmillerjr (We have No Opposition to Obama's Socialist Agenda)
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