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Plastic bags, tape, broomsticks fix San Onofre leak
abc ^ | 4/30 | blacher

Posted on 04/30/2013 8:03:29 AM PDT by RummyChick

SAN DIEGO - An inside source gave Team 10 a picture snapped inside the San Onofre Nuclear Generating Station (SONGS) showing plastic bags, masking tape and broom sticks used to stem a massive leaky pipe.

San Onofre owner Southern California Edison (SCE), confirms the picture was taken inside Unit Three, but did not say when. The anonymous source said the picture was taken in December 2012.

(Excerpt) Read more at 10news.com ...


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1 posted on 04/30/2013 8:03:29 AM PDT by RummyChick
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An inside source gave Team 10 a picture snapped inside the San Onofre Nuclear Generating Station (SONGS) showing plastic bags, masking tape and broom sticks used to stem a massive leaky pipe.

I see the problem.......no duct tape.

2 posted on 04/30/2013 8:04:17 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: RummyChick
Don't you feel safe that this will stop nuclear leaking???

3 posted on 04/30/2013 8:04:35 AM PDT by RummyChick
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Here is the comment about the photo
"The component in the photograph is a circulating water box in unit 3 which is defueled (not operating). This is part of the system that takes in ocean water which is circulated through condensers and then returned to the ocean. This water is not radioactive. We identified a small leak in the water box and will perform maintenance per our scheduling process. In the meantime, plastic is in place to direct the water from the small leak to a drain. While this system is not needed while unit 3 is defueled, we do periodically circulate ocean water through the system and that's why we use the temporary plastic to route the water to a floor drain."
4 posted on 04/30/2013 8:05:41 AM PDT by RummyChick
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To: RummyChick

So does this pipe actually carry contaminated coolant or is it just a scary picture?


5 posted on 04/30/2013 8:06:37 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: RummyChick

“”If that’s nuclear technology at work and that’s how we’re going to control leaks I think the public should know,” the inside source said.

More than one anonymous source talked about the picture with Team 10. They said the public has a right to know about the plant’s condition, as the NRC decides whether the plant will be allowed to restart.”


6 posted on 04/30/2013 8:07:31 AM PDT by RummyChick
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To: RummyChick

So you’d prefer a million dollar solution?


7 posted on 04/30/2013 8:08:21 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do ithat when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver

I don’t live in San Diego.

Insiders are talking about the terrible conditions of that facility.

Hey, let it leak...


8 posted on 04/30/2013 8:09:19 AM PDT by RummyChick
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To: RummyChick

So basically, not even newsworthy. “OMG, someone installed a temporary fix. PANIC!!!!!!!”


9 posted on 04/30/2013 8:12:00 AM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: cripplecreek

It’s just a scary picture. Read the statement at the bottom of the article, it is part of the ocean water non-radioactive system. It is a temporary measure to redirect the small leak to a drain pending the repair. I’m sure there are real things to be concerned about at the plant but this is not one of them.


10 posted on 04/30/2013 8:12:04 AM PDT by NonValueAdded (3 guns when you only have one arm? "I just don't want to get killed for lack of shooting back")
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To: RummyChick

So there is nothing “nuclear” to leak.

Looks like the the atomophobes have their panties in a twist over nothing.

Again.


11 posted on 04/30/2013 8:12:58 AM PDT by Nik Naym (It's not my fault... I have compulsive smartass disorder.)
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To: NonValueAdded

This is the point of that photo

“This is nuclear, this should be tip top,” one source said. “Everything in that plant should be tip top, not bottom of the barrel.””

If you read the whole story you will see there are MAJOR issues with that facility.

But hey, I dont live there ..let it leak.


12 posted on 04/30/2013 8:14:10 AM PDT by RummyChick
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To: RummyChick

Better call MacGyver


13 posted on 04/30/2013 8:15:38 AM PDT by verga (A nation divided by Zero!)
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To: Nik Naym

SURE...FIRE IT UP..WITH KNOWN ISSUES

“We are dealing with unknown territory here which has never been explored before,” another inside source said. Two inside sources called restarting SONGS “risky.”

Records obtained by Team 10 show SONGS staff were concerned about “hundreds of corrosion notifications” and “degraded equipment” throughout the plant. Staff sent a letter to management saying SONGS “clearly has a serious corrosion problem” in pipes throughout the planT


14 posted on 04/30/2013 8:15:50 AM PDT by RummyChick
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To: driftdiver

Sounds like the reactor isn’t even operational and the pipe carries plain old sea water.

Kinda like the leaky radiator hose on my non running pickup truck that has an old smoke detector behind the seat.


15 posted on 04/30/2013 8:15:53 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: RummyChick

If there are MAJOR issues, how come all they can show us a picture of is a little leaking ocean water?


16 posted on 04/30/2013 8:16:35 AM PDT by Nik Naym (It's not my fault... I have compulsive smartass disorder.)
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To: driftdiver

I bet they put regular plywood on broken windows until the new pane comes in. They should be using Brazilian cherry wood.


17 posted on 04/30/2013 8:17:24 AM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: RummyChick

For those of you who have seen San Onofre, it’s the boob plant...


18 posted on 04/30/2013 8:17:59 AM PDT by neodad (USS Vincennes (CG-49) Freedom's Fortress)
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To: Nik Naym

Do you think people in the San Diego area ought to investigate to find out the true condition of the plant???

Or just shut their eyes and fire everything up and hope for the best..because..hey..everything is fine...

Seems like I remember some officials in Japan saying the same thing


19 posted on 04/30/2013 8:18:42 AM PDT by RummyChick
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To: RummyChick

Yes anti-nuke people are never happy with any solution. A technical solution is too expensive, a non-technical one is dangerous.


20 posted on 04/30/2013 8:18:58 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do ithat when I have a fire.)
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To: RummyChick

“This is the point of that photo”

The point of the photo is to take a benign subject and re portray it as something it is not in order to make a statement.

This is the kind of dishonest reporting I expect from leftist scum.


21 posted on 04/30/2013 8:19:25 AM PDT by Nik Naym (It's not my fault... I have compulsive smartass disorder.)
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To: Nik Naym

Dang,maybe an engineer that worked INSIDE knows more than you

http://www.10news.com/news/investigations/san-onofre-insider-says-nrc-should-not-allow-nuclear-restart-042513


22 posted on 04/30/2013 8:20:19 AM PDT by RummyChick
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To: RummyChick

Having been a steamfitter in my past life and working at oil refineries, nuke plants, and other chemical facilities, my question is this pipe on the nuclear (radioactive) side of the plant or the non-nuclear side?

If it is fresh coolant water on the supply side it is only water and is a minor issue unit the next schedule outage when the gaskets can be replaced and flanges re-torqued.

I was working on the then named WPPSS Plant 2 and we were installing a new piping system in the coolant water pump house that was going to be completely under water upon completion. This was 6 foot diameter pipe and, contrary to popular belief, was not perfectly round which led to hi-lo mismatch when fitting the pipes together to be welded. We had a disgruntled fitter who was going to be laid off so he contacted the site NRC Rep to tell him of this issue to save his job.

When the NRC Rep showed up with a few others in tow he asked to see the issue which we chowed him. And then the piping superintendent looked right at him and asked the question: Are you afraid of water leaking into the pipe or out of the pipe? NRC Rep left and so did the fitter.

Bottom line is if it only water, regardless of which side it is on, and only a minor leak, which this appears to be just a dripping issue, it can wait until the next outage versus taking the plant down, reporting it as an unplanned shutdown, losing generation during repair, and then going through the re-start process.


23 posted on 04/30/2013 8:21:00 AM PDT by shotgun
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To: RummyChick

The picture seems to fit the explanation and sounds reasonable.

Not intended to stop a leak just divert the water that is leaking to a drain until the leak can be repaired.


24 posted on 04/30/2013 8:21:09 AM PDT by IMR 4350
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To: cripplecreek

“...So does this pipe actually carry contaminated coolant or is it just a scary picture?...”

Just a scary picture. Circ water lines are just what was stated: cold ocean water in, warm ocean water out. All non-radioactive. If it were “radioactive hot”, they would have to declare at the very least an “Unusual Event” with the NRC...and maybe more.


25 posted on 04/30/2013 8:21:12 AM PDT by lgjhn23 (It's easy to be liberal when you're dumber than a box of rocks.)
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To: RummyChick

Dang, maybe you haven’t figured out that I have better things to do than argue with an over emotional ignorant twit.

I’ve made that mistake before. Sorry I don’t have time to play with you today.

Go ahead and have your freak out panic attack. You don’t need my help to do it.


26 posted on 04/30/2013 8:22:24 AM PDT by Nik Naym (It's not my fault... I have compulsive smartass disorder.)
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To: Nik Naym

Channel 10 has been following this

Have you worked for the NRC????

This guy has

http://www.10news.com/news/investigations/san-onofre-insider-says-nrc-should-not-allow-nuclear-restart-042513


27 posted on 04/30/2013 8:22:37 AM PDT by RummyChick
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To: Nik Naym

I will go with more than one engineer familiar with that plant over you.

http://www.10news.com/news/investigations/san-onofre-insider-says-nrc-should-not-allow-nuclear-restart-042513


28 posted on 04/30/2013 8:23:29 AM PDT by RummyChick
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To: Nik Naym

There is an insider WHISTLEBLOWER from that plant.

Funny how there are a lot of experienced people that have a reason to know that this is a dangerous plant.

And then we have you...that just wants to pretend everything is okay.

HAVE YOU WORKED INSIDE THAT PLANT?????????????


29 posted on 04/30/2013 8:25:52 AM PDT by RummyChick
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It’s all total bullshit!!!!

There is nothing unsafe at that plant.

If this was art one of the two active reactors it couldn’t hurt anything but it isn’t even at an active plant and there isn’t any radiation even in that unit,.

If there was a total meltdown at one of the active plants it still couldn’t hurt the public, all that would happen in a worst case scenario would be to lock the door and walk away.

I live 14 miles from it and as far as i’m concerned it should have been restarted months ago!


30 posted on 04/30/2013 8:26:10 AM PDT by dalereed
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“There is nothing unsafe at that plant.”

There are engineers who have been inside that disagree with you.

Have you been inside??????


31 posted on 04/30/2013 8:28:50 AM PDT by RummyChick
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To: RummyChick

No, that’s completely unsafe. They need to use duck tape!


32 posted on 04/30/2013 8:33:12 AM PDT by Boogieman
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Btw, if someone has 25 years in the in nuclear field and is a safety engineer at a plant ..and he says there are major issues...

You would be a fool not to want more answers if you lived in the area.

Don’t ask for my tax dollars to clean up that mess that YOU advocate letting happen.


33 posted on 04/30/2013 8:33:26 AM PDT by RummyChick
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It’s not water that goes through the coolant when it’s fueled but what I find weird is that they use salt water for this system. I wonder how well the pipes and valves hold up.

I’d live next to a reactor, they aren’t unsafe, especially with what we have learned in the last thirty years (never let Jane Fonda or Michael Douglas near the plant).

We had a plant here in the Sacramento area, actually southeast of Sac but not far at all. When it was running the Westinghouse turbine kept having issues so they hand to shut the plant down to fix the turbine. I don’t think they had any nuclear issues although they had to scram the plant when the turbine shed blades. I even took a tour through it, we got as close as the air lock to the reactor containment building, it was cool. Nevertheless, the moron voters, voted to close the plant. Fast forward to around 2000. People wondered what it would take to restart Rancho Seco but it was already 50% de-commisioned. Idiots.


34 posted on 04/30/2013 8:33:40 AM PDT by Lx (Do you like it, do you like it. Scott? I call it Mr. and Mrs. Tennerman chili.)
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To: driftdiver

The “Antis” are often more dangerous than the “Pros” in any given situation.

With the Embridge pipeline spill here in Michigan a couple of years ago, the antis had created a situation where Embridge was afraid to look for or fix problems due to punitive fines and costs imposed for finding their own problems. Meanwhile the state hadn’t even had the required state inspector on the payroll for nearly a decade.

The Wolverine pipeline spill in Jackson Michigan was a similar situation. Wolverine was in the middle of a total system overhaul but hadn’t gotten to Jackson when the gasoline spill occurred. This led to the usual lawsuits and restrictions and with the millions Wolverine had already spent it was no longer feasible so they simply shut down and America lost another refinery.


35 posted on 04/30/2013 8:34:18 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Lx

“It’s not water that goes through the coolant when it’s fueled but what I find weird is that they use salt water for this system. I wonder how well the pipes and valves hold up.”

perhaps this has led up to the massive corrosion.


36 posted on 04/30/2013 8:35:57 AM PDT by RummyChick
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Time to get the glasses checked. I thought that headline said SEN ONOFRE. I thought the Dems were getting far more aggressive in trying to stop press leaks.


37 posted on 04/30/2013 8:37:18 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: RummyChick

If you don’t live in the area shut your damn mouth!!!


38 posted on 04/30/2013 8:37:34 AM PDT by dalereed
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To: Buckeye McFrog

LOLOLOLOL


39 posted on 04/30/2013 8:37:53 AM PDT by RummyChick
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To: dalereed

You anti nuke freaks piss me off to no end!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


40 posted on 04/30/2013 8:38:36 AM PDT by dalereed
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To: RummyChick
The source, who requested anonymity, is not alone in concerns over the safety San Onofre Nuclear Generating Station (SONGS).

This is very, very, very serious...but I'm not willing to give my name.

41 posted on 04/30/2013 8:39:12 AM PDT by Half Vast Conspiracy (Based on a letter from an 8 year old…school is now illegal...'cuz it’s yuckey and dumb'.)
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To: dalereed

Why would you completely ignore a Safety Engineer INSIDE the plant with more than 2 decades of experience???


42 posted on 04/30/2013 8:39:35 AM PDT by RummyChick
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Link please, I'd like to know what experienced and unbiased nuclear engineers have to say although Jimmuh Carter claimed to be a nuk engineer, he is disqualified.

I wondered at the fact that they use sea water. Now, granted, the plant was built on the ocean so I assumed that they got water there but I didn't know it wasn't de-salinized.

I mean it's a nuk plant, I'm sure they have enough energy to desalinate the water they need and if there's a life threatening occurrence, they can just use the sea water like in Fukoshima which, according to experts, rendered those plants unusable forever. Then again, I think they had salt water in the reactor containment vessels and the ancient design didn't use heat exchangers so the water that drove the turbines is the same water the was in the reactor. Great job GE. I hope they take more care in their jet engines. They certainly didn't in the washer we bought a few years ago. POS.

43 posted on 04/30/2013 8:41:01 AM PDT by Lx (Do you like it, do you like it. Scott? I call it Mr. and Mrs. Tennerman chili.)
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"I’m sure there are real things to be concerned about at the plant but this is not one of them" said I.

Wouldn't you want them to be concentrating on the major issues first?

44 posted on 04/30/2013 8:41:29 AM PDT by NonValueAdded (3 guns when you only have one arm? "I just don't want to get killed for lack of shooting back")
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To: Half Vast Conspiracy

Why would you be surprised at the unwillingness to divulge names.

Think Benghazi people might think twice???

What about those giving info to Beck????

You think there aren’t people who might endanger someone or at the very least create a hellish situation for a whistle blower???

Just ask those involved with Fast and Furious


45 posted on 04/30/2013 8:41:44 AM PDT by RummyChick
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To: NonValueAdded

I think you can do both.

Channel 10 asked specific questions about that repair.

They didn’t get answers.

Maybe it was only for a day.

But I doubt it.


46 posted on 04/30/2013 8:43:04 AM PDT by RummyChick
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To: RummyChick
showing plastic bags, masking tape and broom sticks used to stem a massive leaky pipe.

Sounds a lot like the procedures used by Kongress to fix the deficit/debt problems.

47 posted on 04/30/2013 8:43:46 AM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: RummyChick

Like I said, if you don’t live in So. Calif. Shut your god damn mouth!!!


48 posted on 04/30/2013 8:44:37 AM PDT by dalereed
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To: RummyChick

In the military, that’s known as an “field expedient.” Ah, that’s nuttin’. I once fixed the headlights on my daughter’s 1983 Eclipse using an old garden glove, a doggy toy, and a tennis ball. It was a thing of beauty. Wish I had taken a picture of it. You should’ve seen the look on the mechanic’s face when we took it in for state inspection.


49 posted on 04/30/2013 8:45:00 AM PDT by PowderMonkey (WILL WORK FOR AMMO)
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To: dalereed

The anti nukes force us to rely on old technology when new state of the art technology makes Fukyshima style disasters a thing of the past. Things like passive convection cooling don’t even require pumps or power to cool a reactor.


50 posted on 04/30/2013 8:46:13 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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