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Will elephants still roam earth in 20 years?
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Posted on 04/30/2013 8:42:17 AM PDT by chessplayer

(CNN) -- At the start of the 1980s there were more than a million elephants in Africa. During that decade, 600,000 were destroyed for ivory products. Today perhaps no more than 400,000 remain across the continent, according to Samuel Wasser of the University of Washington, who is widely recognized as an authority on the subject.

If this level of killing continues, if elephants continue to be slaughtered for trinkets and statuettes, in 10 years' time most of Africa's elephants will be gone and an ineffable symbol of majesty and wonder -- and the linchpin in the ecology of an entire continent -- will have been consigned to oblivion.

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KEYWORDS: alarmism; elephants; everybodypanic; extinction; gaiaworship; junkscience; ohnoes
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Utterly tragic. Elephants have existed for a very long time in one form or another. Mastodons, wooly mammoths, todays elephants. Incredibly sad knowing that they will very soon be obliterated and will never again walk this planet. At least 25 thousand were slaughtered in 2012, and the rate of slaughter this year is even greater. And the more money more people in Asia get, the greater the demand for ivory. Elephants are very intelligent and understand the concept of mortality, and even understand the genocide being waged against them. An NPR special thinks 20 more years is far too optimistic and believes elephants will be extinct in less than 7 more years.
1 posted on 04/30/2013 8:42:17 AM PDT by chessplayer
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To: chessplayer

I guess ivory would be a good investment then.


2 posted on 04/30/2013 8:44:21 AM PDT by humblegunner
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To: humblegunner

No, they’ll fly like in Roger Dean posters.


3 posted on 04/30/2013 8:46:44 AM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: chessplayer

This is PETA horse-hockey. Elephants are like fleas in many places.

The best thing for elephants is to controllably hunt them. This means that there are ample funds to stop poachers (the real threat), and that herds are culled appropriately.

Economic freedom and property rights in Africa would help greatly.


4 posted on 04/30/2013 8:48:12 AM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Universal Background Check -> Registration -> Confiscation -> Oppression -> Extermination)
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To: chessplayer

The GOP will be extinct by then, so they’re will be no need of that mascot....


5 posted on 04/30/2013 8:48:22 AM PDT by G Larry (Darkness Hates the Light)
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To: chessplayer

The GOP will be gone before elephants.


6 posted on 04/30/2013 8:48:37 AM PDT by bmwcyle (People who do not study history are destine to believe really ignorant statements.)
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To: chessplayer

“If this level of killing continues, if elephants continue to be slaughtered for trinkets and statuettes, in 10 years’ time most of Africa’s elephants will be gone”


Classic alarmist junk science.


7 posted on 04/30/2013 8:49:33 AM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Universal Background Check -> Registration -> Confiscation -> Oppression -> Extermination)
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To: chessplayer

Republicans? Nope, they’ll be gone much sooner than 20 years.

Oh... the animal? They’ll be in zoos. It’s sad, but beyond my control. The animals I need... dogs for companionship, fish, chicken, pigs and cows for food, are all plentiful.


8 posted on 04/30/2013 8:49:39 AM PDT by brownsfan (Behold, the power of government cheese.)
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To: chessplayer

Sorry, it wasn’t NPR. It was National Geographic on PBS.

“If you watched the National Geographic special Battle for the Elephants on PBS, you’re probably concerned about the fate of one of Africa’s greatest natural treasures—and with good reason. Last year was devastating for elephants across Africa, with poaching-related deaths estimated to be at least 25,000. A rate that some experts say, if left unchecked, could lead to the extinction of the African elephant by 2020.”

http://www.care2.com/causes/will-african-elephants-be-extinct-in-ten-years.html

“Battle for the Elephants”

“The film tells the ultimate wildlife story — how the Earth’s most charismatic and majestic land animal today faces market forces driving the value of its tusks to levels once reserved for precious metals.”

http://www.pbs.org/programs/battle-elephants/

In Tanzania alone, 30 elephants are being slaughtered every day.


9 posted on 04/30/2013 8:52:26 AM PDT by chessplayer
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To: chessplayer
Will elephants still roam earth in 20 years?

I'll take "where my taxes are going for $1000"

is it bad that this is first thing that occurs to me when I see a title like this one?

10 posted on 04/30/2013 8:52:43 AM PDT by NativeSon ( Grease the floor with Crisco when I dance the Disco)
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To: chessplayer
Will elephants still roam earth in 20 years?

Only cyborg/zombie elephants.

11 posted on 04/30/2013 8:52:58 AM PDT by SIDENET
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To: chessplayer

As long as there’s no more RINOs...


12 posted on 04/30/2013 8:53:24 AM PDT by swampthang77
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To: chessplayer

Oh, fer pete’s sake! Trade in elephant ivory has been outlawed for how long now? Are we supposed to believe that roving hordes of ivory poachers are still decimating elephant populations?

Alarmist twaddle.


13 posted on 04/30/2013 8:53:30 AM PDT by IronJack (=)
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To: SIDENET

With frikkin’ laser beams.


14 posted on 04/30/2013 8:53:36 AM PDT by SIDENET
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To: brownsfan

Repubs/elephants are already gone. What we are left with is a RINO party.


15 posted on 04/30/2013 8:53:40 AM PDT by GrandJediMasterYoda (Someday our schools will teach the difference between "lose" and "loose")
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To: chessplayer

Ok, so do you pursue the present course which means criminalizing the ivory trade which makes it a rarity, pushing up the price and demand for a rarity.

Or does on try a supply side solution which would involve “elephant farms” where you breed them like cattle, increasing the supply, driving down prices and eliminating the cache of having a rare item ?


16 posted on 04/30/2013 8:54:29 AM PDT by staytrue
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To: chessplayer

This reminds me that I need to score some ivory grips for my Colt Python.


17 posted on 04/30/2013 8:54:51 AM PDT by SIDENET
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To: chessplayer

18 posted on 04/30/2013 8:55:11 AM PDT by Corporate Democrat
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To: chessplayer

I don’t know.......How old is Candy Crowley?


19 posted on 04/30/2013 8:56:24 AM PDT by GreenHornet
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To: chessplayer

Honeybees are carrying elephants off to their secret megahive in Antarctica but you didn’t hear it from me.


20 posted on 04/30/2013 8:58:59 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: bmwcyle; All
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21 posted on 04/30/2013 8:59:53 AM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: IronJack
Trade in elephant ivory has been outlawed for how long now? Are we supposed to believe that roving hordes of ivory poachers are still decimating elephant populations?

Drugs have been illegal for how long now? Are we supposed to believe that roving drug pushers are still on our city streets?

Follow the money.
22 posted on 04/30/2013 9:00:52 AM PDT by SpinnerWebb (In 2012 you will awaken from your HOPEnosis and have no recollection of this... "Constitution")
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To: chessplayer

lets do the math, hitlary is how old now?


23 posted on 04/30/2013 9:01:02 AM PDT by longfellow (Bill Maher, the 21st hijacker.)
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To: IronJack; Mushroom Gravy; chessplayer
Follow that second link in #9 and spend an hour watching.

There's 2 reporters; 1 in Africa and 1 in china. There are many, large, elaborate pieces available in china.

24 posted on 04/30/2013 9:08:53 AM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: chessplayer

My only answer to that question is “it’s not our call”.


25 posted on 04/30/2013 9:11:41 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: chessplayer

The Chinese are moving into Africa in a big way, and the factory managers like to hunt ivory on weekends from helicopters.


26 posted on 04/30/2013 9:12:57 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Islam is a religion of peace, and Moslems reserve the right to behead anyone who says otherwise.)
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To: chessplayer
I've done two “safaris” in East Africa...in several Tanzanian national parks to be specific.Not to sound like an “environmentalist” and an animal rights whacko but there are few things in this world more moving than seeing elephants,lions,giraffes,rhinos (the quadrupeds type) in the wild.Tragic wouldn't be a strong enough word to use if any of them were to disappear.
27 posted on 04/30/2013 9:14:04 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Leno Was Right,They *Are* Undocumented Democrats!)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Celebrate diversity!


28 posted on 04/30/2013 9:14:10 AM PDT by Phillyred
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To: chessplayer

Sorry, I’m jaded about the whole endangered species thing.

Chalk it up to animal “rights” activists who cause untold misery among human beings — for whom the planet and its animals were created — over the supposed demise of minnows, spiders, salamanders, microbes, etc.

I pretty much don’t give a rat’s heinie what goes the way of the dinosaur any more. Except that I’d like to see every member of the animal “rights” lobby extinct.


29 posted on 04/30/2013 9:19:25 AM PDT by Nervous Tick (Without GOD, men get what they deserve.)
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To: Phillyred
China's Demand for Ivory Fueling Elephant Poaching
30 posted on 04/30/2013 9:23:03 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Islam is a religion of peace, and Moslems reserve the right to behead anyone who says otherwise.)
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To: IronJack

“Oh, fer pete’s sake! Trade in elephant ivory has been outlawed for how long now? Are we supposed to believe that roving hordes of ivory poachers are still decimating elephant populations?”

Yes, you are. It is still legal to possess ivory, as long as it’s “old”. There is a great deal of new “old” ivory, very popular in Asia.


31 posted on 04/30/2013 9:24:01 AM PDT by The Antiyuppie ("When small men cast long shadows, then it is v?ery late in the day.")
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To: IronJack

Yes, because people would NEVER trade illegal products. How shocking.

Yes, as a matter of fact, there ARE roving hordes of ivory poachers.


32 posted on 04/30/2013 9:26:59 AM PDT by bigdaddy45
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To: Nervous Tick

I don’t think God called on man to kill off every other species on the planet. The animal rights lobbyist does go too far, but its a bit sad that you couldn’t care less if some of the more majestic members of the animal kingdom literally go the way of the dodo.


33 posted on 04/30/2013 9:30:05 AM PDT by bigdaddy45
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To: Nervous Tick

I’m a bit conflicted here. Don’t these environmental-whackos predict we’ll all be dead from climate change anyway. So what does it matter? Actually, just think how much innocent vegetation these bulky critters (the ele’s) destroy every day. Environmentally sound...I think it might be better if they were gone. Save random vegetation!!!!!


34 posted on 04/30/2013 9:30:24 AM PDT by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: Nervous Tick

As far as I’m concerned, the people whining about it are part of the problem. They need to put up or shut up and go stop it.

The same way I feel about people who seem to think we should be involved in everybody else’s wars.


35 posted on 04/30/2013 9:35:00 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: bigdaddy45

>> its a bit sad that you couldn’t care less

Sorry, pal. Didn’t mean to make you all sad.

So... what should I do about it? Wring my hands? Flop sweat? Write “animal planet” a check? What? I don’t buy ivory or elephant skin, as it is... kinda seems above my pay grade to effect what happens to them.

And can you define for me exactly where in the food chain I should begin to give a damn?

And can you help me figure out whether I should care MORE about the forty million aborted actual, y’know, CHILDREN than I do about the elephants?

Guide me, Oh Moral Arbiter.


36 posted on 04/30/2013 9:37:10 AM PDT by Nervous Tick (Without GOD, men get what they deserve.)
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To: chessplayer
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37 posted on 04/30/2013 9:38:33 AM PDT by ansel12 (Civilization, Crusade against the Mohammedan Death Cult)
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To: chessplayer

I guess we should just kill all the Asians. Or better yet we should send all the guns we confiscate to the elephants and give them maps to Asia and provide transportation. They appear to be smart enough, if you believe the details of this story ,that they can take care of themselves if given the means.


38 posted on 04/30/2013 9:38:39 AM PDT by Cyman
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To: hal ogen

>> Actually, just think how much innocent vegetation these bulky critters (the ele’s) destroy every day.

You got it! Plus, every time one of them farts, Earth’s temperature rises 0.8 degrees.

Don’t even get me started about those damned whales peeing in the pool. Disgusting, I’ll say that much. And if you’ve ever had a spotted owl drop a load on the windshield of your just-washed brand-new tree shredder while you’re razing an old growth forest, you’ll want to personally endanger every last one of those too, tell you what!


39 posted on 04/30/2013 9:43:40 AM PDT by Nervous Tick (Without GOD, men get what they deserve.)
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To: IronJack

I can only tell you what I personally observed during my safaris in East Africa during the 1980s and 1990s: poachers operating freely with the protection of corrupted government officials. Elephants and rhinos protected by guards armed with bolt-action rifles - until the guards were driven off by poachers armed with semi-automatic rifles, who then slaughtered the animals, took the horns and ivory, and left the carcasses to rot in the African sun.

The problem is real. Alarmist twaddle? No.


40 posted on 04/30/2013 9:52:27 AM PDT by karnage
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To: bigdaddy45

Sure there are. Cuz National Geographic doesn’t have any environmentalist agenda and they’d NEVER inflate the numbers or exaggerate the outlook ... We’ve been hearing this “endangered elephants” claptrap since Ernest Hemingway bagged his last tusker. Yet there are — by this article’s own admission — half a million of them left.

I ain’t buyin’ it.


41 posted on 04/30/2013 9:54:11 AM PDT by IronJack (=)
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To: Nervous Tick

Its kinda funny. I live in the most heavily populated part of Michigan along the I-94 corridor and I’ve been watching a trio of bald eagles fishing in the lake every morning.


42 posted on 04/30/2013 9:54:16 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: IronJack
I ain’t buyin’ it.

Same here. I'm not saying there aren't problems but many places in Africa that have reasonable stability have monetized the wildlife and led to a rebound in numbers.
43 posted on 04/30/2013 10:00:58 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: cripplecreek

Tranquilizer the elephants and take the tusks when they are young. They stay alive and will live fruitful lives.

Worst that will happen is the poor elephant will be made fun of by his peers.


44 posted on 04/30/2013 10:04:17 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (The reason we own guns is to protect ourselves from those wanting to take our guns from us.)
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To: chessplayer

This article is so damn stupid and wrong. There are millions of elephants left in Africa. There’d be a lot more if Africa wasn’t full of communist governments. There was excellent game management in Rhodesia, for example, until the Commie Mugabe took over.


45 posted on 04/30/2013 10:05:15 AM PDT by backwoods-engineer (Blog: www.BackwoodsEngineer.com)
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To: EQAndyBuzz
Tranquilizer the elephants and take the tusks when they are young. They stay alive and will live fruitful lives.

I believe Botswana already harvests some ivory that way. My uncle bought some elephant jerky at a reserve when he was there a few years ago.
46 posted on 04/30/2013 10:07:46 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: karnage

So in a country that can’t even begin to feed its citizens, let alone protect them, the government is paying people to run around and GUARD rhinos??? As ridiculous as poaching is, it occurs to me that a lot of dead pachyderms is a small price to pay for a lot of live people!

It sounds to me like your compassion is somewhat misplaced.


47 posted on 04/30/2013 10:08:12 AM PDT by IronJack (=)
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To: EQAndyBuzz

I’ve been saying the same thing for years. Same thing with Rhinoceros horns.

And why would the elephant be made fun of by his peers, if their tusks are gone as well?


48 posted on 04/30/2013 10:16:41 AM PDT by Kevmo ("A person's a person, no matter how small" ~Horton Hears a Who)
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To: cripplecreek

Very cool!

They’ll be where they’ll be, I guess. And where one encounters the Creatures is part of the magic and wonder of Creation.

Sometimes we, the pinnacle of the Creatures, are a little arrogant in our view of how much control we really have over it all.


49 posted on 04/30/2013 10:26:09 AM PDT by Nervous Tick (Without GOD, men get what they deserve.)
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To: cripplecreek
Honeybees are carrying elephants off to their secret megahive in Antarctica but you didn’t hear it from me.

Are you sure they weren't giant tsetse flys?

50 posted on 04/30/2013 10:41:02 AM PDT by mc5cents
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