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Bagram Airfield Crash 29 APR 2013 (Dash Cam Video)
LiveLeak.com ^ | 4/30/2013

Posted on 04/30/2013 2:08:25 PM PDT by South40

A civilian cargo plane crash at Bagram Air Field north of Kabul in Afghanistan has killed seven people.

Video Here

(Excerpt) Read more at liveleak.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: afghanistan; cargoplane; planecrash; supplylines
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1 posted on 04/30/2013 2:08:25 PM PDT by South40
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To: South40

I have no idea how the complex computers didn’t detect the load unbalance at takeoff.

It is baffling to say the least.


2 posted on 04/30/2013 2:11:00 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (LBJ declared war on poverty and lost. Barack Obama declared war on prosperity and won. /csmusaret)
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To: South40

I have no idea how the complex computers didn’t detect the load unbalance at takeoff.

It is baffling to say the least.


3 posted on 04/30/2013 2:11:11 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (LBJ declared war on poverty and lost. Barack Obama declared war on prosperity and won. /csmusaret)
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To: freedumb2003

It does seem rather unlikely. Perhaps there was a load shift which begs the question, why was the load not better secured.


4 posted on 04/30/2013 2:12:24 PM PDT by South40 (I Love The "New & Improved" Free Republic!)
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To: South40

I saw this a few hours ago and didn’t post it because the timestamp on the video says 2/1/2013. I suppose the date could be off on the camera. I was waiting to see if anyone else reported it...liveleak appears to be the only source at the moment and I would have thought it would be all over the news.


5 posted on 04/30/2013 2:14:22 PM PDT by 6ppc (It's torch and pitchfork time)
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To: South40

Just wow


6 posted on 04/30/2013 2:16:37 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: South40

The Liveleak video won’t play for me...
Is it the same as this youtube version:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAASJlIQn9g


7 posted on 04/30/2013 2:17:11 PM PDT by Repeal The 17th (We have met the enemy and he is us.)
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To: South40

Looks like an awfully steep take off.


8 posted on 04/30/2013 2:19:05 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Repeal The 17th

Sad. You could see the stall coming.


9 posted on 04/30/2013 2:20:01 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Repeal The 17th

Same video.


10 posted on 04/30/2013 2:20:22 PM PDT by T-Bird45 (It feels like the seventies, and it shouldn't.)
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To: South40

Departure stall due to aft CG?

What a horrible thing to see.

RIP, guys.


11 posted on 04/30/2013 2:20:45 PM PDT by Tigerized ("..and whack 'em, and whack 'em, and whack 'em!' cried the Toad in ecstasy." (continuing in 2013))
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To: Repeal The 17th

I’ve been struggling with videos a lot lately and I think shockwave flash is at the center of it.


12 posted on 04/30/2013 2:21:24 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: freedumb2003

***I have no idea how the complex computers didn’t detect the load unbalance at takeoff.***

I thought that is what a Cargomaster was for. worked with KC-135s.


13 posted on 04/30/2013 2:21:41 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Do we now register our pressure cookers?)
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To: Repeal The 17th

Thanks. The Live Leak vid doesn’t work for me now either.


14 posted on 04/30/2013 2:21:45 PM PDT by South40 (I Love The "New & Improved" Free Republic!)
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To: Repeal The 17th
Now it does.

I guess it's hit and miss.

15 posted on 04/30/2013 2:22:32 PM PDT by South40 (I Love The "New & Improved" Free Republic!)
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To: 6ppc
I would have thought it would be all over the news.

They've reported on it but not a lot.
16 posted on 04/30/2013 2:23:15 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: cripplecreek

Yeah, I’ve never seen such a large plane that vertical and stalled before. Sad for all on board.


17 posted on 04/30/2013 2:23:20 PM PDT by South40 (I Love The "New & Improved" Free Republic!)
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To: South40

I read on another site that the loadmaster was onboard and was one of the seven killed. That was difficult to watch.


18 posted on 04/30/2013 2:23:46 PM PDT by liege (You don't drive out the darkness; you turn on the light.)
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To: South40

500 Internal Server Error


19 posted on 04/30/2013 2:23:51 PM PDT by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed &water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: JimRed
I got that too. I tried again and it worked. It's hit and miss. The YouTube video is more reliable.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAASJlIQn9g

20 posted on 04/30/2013 2:26:22 PM PDT by South40 (I Love The "New & Improved" Free Republic!)
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To: Tigerized

I read earlier that they believe the load broke loose. They speculated that it was a relatively light load, so the aircraft could perform a steeper climbout, which caused the loading straps to break. That sounds very plausible, or they could have had a runaway trim possibly. Very sad.


21 posted on 04/30/2013 2:26:30 PM PDT by Big Giant Head
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To: South40

Can we be sure Ron Brown wasn’t on board?


22 posted on 04/30/2013 2:27:28 PM PDT by Bob Buchholz
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To: cripplecreek
You got that right.
A very steep angle of attack for any commercial jetliner.
Yes it could have been a load shift. But ? remember about 10 years ago a military B-52 was flying around at a air force base and the pilot was playing around trying to be a top gun and banked to steep and the plane lost lift and stalled ?
It could have been anything from a load shift, a inexperienced pilot, thrust reverser ? horizontal stabilizer gone wrong ? a topgun pilot trying to be cool in trying to pull a high angle take off ?
23 posted on 04/30/2013 2:28:20 PM PDT by American Constitutionalist
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To: South40

Nasty, wonder if cargo shifted or they simply did not get the CG correctly set. AOA very high at point video is taken. Either loss of thrust or bad CG but as airspeed rapidly drops nose departs left and than 747 departs flight and rolls right. Passing through nose level the gear is coming back down as you see the nose gear dropping just before impact. Pilot was extending gear back down. They knew they were in real trouble. Sad to see. Prayers for the air crew and their families.


24 posted on 04/30/2013 2:29:10 PM PDT by Mat_Helm
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To: F15Eagle

Creepy isn’t it ? by the time it was about 200-300 feet off the ground it lost lift and stalled.


25 posted on 04/30/2013 2:29:46 PM PDT by American Constitutionalist
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To: Repeal The 17th

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2317306/Kabul-plane-crash-Video-captures-moment-plane-dropped-sky-crashing.html

Here’s another video from daily mail UK.


26 posted on 04/30/2013 2:29:56 PM PDT by Amberdawn
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To: freedumb2003
The load might've conceibably been within safety limits, but the pilot may have been "flying by the seat of his/her pants" (inertial feel, muscle memory), or even been showing off, letting airspeed get too slow, straying into the "area of reverse command", where s/he probably had little experience flying the a/c.

What I saw developing in the video (before the "point of no return") would've required dramatic, counter-intuitive control inputs that some pilots would shrink from doing, never having to do them before (outside a simulator).

OTOH, there may have additionally been a contributory hardware system failure that would've been beyond any pilot's ability to overcome.

/complete speculation
HF, CFII

27 posted on 04/30/2013 2:30:21 PM PDT by holden (Alter or abolish it yet?)
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To: Southack; T-Bird45; cripplecreek; South40

Any one want to guess as to what went wrong?
It just stalls and falls.
So sad to see.


28 posted on 04/30/2013 2:30:47 PM PDT by Repeal The 17th (We have met the enemy and he is us.)
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To: South40
There was a B-52 about 10 years ago that crashed at a air force base when the pilot banked to hard at a low altitude and crashed.
29 posted on 04/30/2013 2:31:39 PM PDT by American Constitutionalist
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To: American Constitutionalist

I pissed that air crews feel they have to take off like that because it’s a bad neighborhood. RIP to the crew and their families. You can hear the Army guy filming in the vehicle say f**k in sadness.


30 posted on 04/30/2013 2:32:36 PM PDT by Amberdawn
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To: American Constitutionalist

Yes, port wing stalled, then a/c made a yaw to starboard, probably spooled the port engines to max, then no airspeed and the whole a/c stalled.

Prayers for the victims and their families.


31 posted on 04/30/2013 2:33:34 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: American Constitutionalist

1994 Fairchild Air Force Base B-52 crash

32 posted on 04/30/2013 2:34:56 PM PDT by South40 (I Love The "New & Improved" Free Republic!)
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To: South40

747?........


33 posted on 04/30/2013 2:35:47 PM PDT by Red Badger (Want to be surprised? Google your own name......Want to have fun? Google your friend's names........)
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To: Amberdawn
I pissed that air crews feel they have to take off like that because it’s a bad neighborhood.

Air crews at John Wayne Airport in Orange County, CA are required to take off like that so the rich people living in Newport Beach won't be bothered by the jet noise. It can be startling for some passengers so they are warned prior to takeoff.

34 posted on 04/30/2013 2:37:04 PM PDT by South40 (I Love The "New & Improved" Free Republic!)
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To: Repeal The 17th

looks like Unsecured cargo shifted aft during takeoff, forced stall, altitude too low to correct........


35 posted on 04/30/2013 2:37:33 PM PDT by Red Badger (Want to be surprised? Google your own name......Want to have fun? Google your friend's names........)
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To: South40

Departure stall due to improper loading moving CG aft?


36 posted on 04/30/2013 2:38:34 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: holden
Would bird ingestion do this ?
A large foreign object into the engines ?
37 posted on 04/30/2013 2:40:43 PM PDT by American Constitutionalist
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To: South40

That’s ridiculous as well. From what I heard, the 747 had a civilian air crew.


38 posted on 04/30/2013 2:42:58 PM PDT by Amberdawn
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To: Southack

Yes, definitely a stall.


39 posted on 04/30/2013 2:44:43 PM PDT by KeyLargo
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To: South40
So it was more than 10 years ago.

Perhaps more video will come out of this crash.
Now if they have a video at the airbase of the plane taking off with a angle from the side.
40 posted on 04/30/2013 2:45:33 PM PDT by American Constitutionalist
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To: American Constitutionalist

It could but I didn’t see any FOD debris coming out of those port engines


41 posted on 04/30/2013 2:46:31 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: Repeal The 17th
Any one want to guess as to what went wrong? It just stalls and falls.

As others have suggested, a cargo shift. This isn't the first time it's happened and probably won't be the last.

42 posted on 04/30/2013 2:47:04 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: liege

Apparently the load shifted aft. Probably not secured sufficiently.

Sad.


43 posted on 04/30/2013 2:47:16 PM PDT by KeyLargo
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To: American Constitutionalist
FOD from the runway (ala Concorde) or bird ingestion, too, both seem possibilities.

I understand from one of the posters above that a steeper-than-usual climbout phase was called for at Bagram, presumably because of the potentially of ground-to-air fire. What an awful exacerbation to all these potential things-on-the-hairy-edge for pilots to avoid!

It could also have been that load shifted after take-off due to insecure mechanisms or straps.

HF

44 posted on 04/30/2013 2:47:51 PM PDT by holden (Alter or abolish it yet?)
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To: American Constitutionalist
Would bird ingestion do this ? A large foreign object into the engines ?

Not likely. Departure stalls are not that hard to recover from, something went way wrong. Looks like the flaps were extended, Some flaps are necessary on take off but that looked like a lot.

45 posted on 04/30/2013 2:48:03 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: F15Eagle

Bad fuel ? someone engaged the thrust reversers ?


46 posted on 04/30/2013 2:48:44 PM PDT by American Constitutionalist
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To: holden
One of the best commercial airliners to do that manuver was the 727.
It could take off on short run ways and even dirt run ways.
47 posted on 04/30/2013 2:51:50 PM PDT by American Constitutionalist
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To: South40

Doesn’t look like a load shift, looks like a total loss of engine thrust. It just stalled and fell like a rock.


48 posted on 04/30/2013 2:52:45 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: central_va
It was a 747-400 series, I think.

49 posted on 04/30/2013 2:54:01 PM PDT by American Constitutionalist
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To: American Constitutionalist

I’m gonna guess cargo shift, and/or too-low VR speed for that climb angle / temp / altitude. Stall.

They just didn’t have enough airspeed. Cargo may have slid to port; hard to tell from that left wing stall right now.


50 posted on 04/30/2013 2:54:03 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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