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Bagram Airfield Crash 29 APR 2013 (Dash Cam Video)
LiveLeak.com ^ | 4/30/2013

Posted on 04/30/2013 2:08:25 PM PDT by South40

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To: BenLurkin
the worst thing in the world is taxing to the hold short line and seeing the "Noise abatement procedures in effect" sign. I paid full fare and I want full throttle all the way to angels 30.


61 posted on 04/30/2013 3:33:08 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: BenLurkin

yes but they were called whisper jets.


62 posted on 04/30/2013 3:38:21 PM PDT by American Constitutionalist
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To: cripplecreek
Looks like an awfully steep take off.

It was way too steep for a takeoff - you might be able to pull off a steep takeoff like that in an empty aircraft, but just from that video, it looks like a stall to me, and specifically like the cargo shifted rapidly. Cargo shifting the center of gravity can do that, and apparently it had vehicles, which could shift rapidly on takeoff if one broke free and slammed into another one.

T&P to t he family, whoever was at the controls did one helluva job trying to recover. He looked to be doing everything he could to recover and might have pulled it off if he had more altitude. I couldn't imagine facing such a situation.
63 posted on 04/30/2013 4:00:57 PM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: af_vet_rr
From the Loadstar

http://theloadstar.co.uk/breaking-news-national-air-cargo-crash-at-bagram/

Scott says: April 29, 2013 at 2:55 pm

I witnessed this crash today and there was no Taliban involvement. I can tell you this for sure – the 747 took off and commenced a quite steep climb out, not unusual for here, then one of two things happened. In my opinion either the strong head wind or a micro up burst caused it to pitch upward at what looked to be at least 85deg. Nose up or the cargo shifted to the rear and caused it to nose up. It then did what all swept wing aircraft do in a stall and pitched left at about 1200 Ft AGL, then it seemed like the pilot tried to correct and it pitched right and headed for the ground just before impact. It looked like it had flattened out to nearly level but had very little or no forward speed – what followed was the ground shook, followed by a large ball of fire and a huge black cloud of smoke. I truly wish I had not seen this, but I did, and my prayers and thoughts go out to all involved – both on board and the family and loved ones of the crew and passengers.

64 posted on 04/30/2013 4:25:19 PM PDT by Mat_Helm
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To: Mat_Helm

My son watched this video, and it brought back many memories for him. He posted this in another forum:

I spent a lot of time running along the same road that guy’s driving on, right through the area where the plane crashed. He’s just rounded the bend on the far side of the runway.

Planes taking off from bases like this take off at maximum angle to get as much altitude as possible in case of small arms fire or shoulder-fired missiles. It appears that some of the cargo broke loose and rolled to the rear, shifting the center of gravity and causing an irrecoverable stall. The 7 crew did not survive.

This sort of task is something military aircraft and aircrew are much better suited to, but contracting civilians is cheaper and makes it seem like we don’t have as big a military presence in the area. RIP.


65 posted on 04/30/2013 4:34:48 PM PDT by Ray'sBeth
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To: Amberdawn

There are two videos of this?

This is off topic but when I was a kid in the 60’s I remember reading that no one had ever filmed (pre video camera) a live automobile crash.


66 posted on 04/30/2013 4:44:35 PM PDT by DManA
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To: DManA

I think it’s the same video, but since some freepers were having trouble viewing it, I thought I’d post another link.


67 posted on 04/30/2013 4:49:06 PM PDT by Amberdawn
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To: KeyLargo

How sad, God Bless them.


68 posted on 04/30/2013 4:53:47 PM PDT by Amberdawn
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To: editor-surveyor
>>>Doesn’t look like a load shift, looks like a total loss of engine thrust. It just stalled and fell like a rock.

I loss of engine thrust doesn't drag your butt down like that. You compensate by dropping your nose and gaining speed. That is a load shift.

69 posted on 04/30/2013 4:55:13 PM PDT by NELSON111
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To: South40

The aircraft just barely cleared the end of the runway, crashing within the northern perimeter road. By the time it appears in the video it had lost nearly all of its forward momentum and only moves up two or three plane lengths — most of its motion was “flat”. It would have had zero aerodynamic control in those first frames of the video. Whatever happened, happened immediately on rotation.


70 posted on 04/30/2013 5:05:42 PM PDT by Born to Conserve
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To: South40
Without seeing the initial part of the takeoff, it appears the angle of attack kept increasing until it stalled and fell off on a wing.

As the manifested load were vehicles of a known type and weight, my guess is part of the load broke loose and shifted aft probably right at rotation or slightly after takeoff, causing the Center of Gravity to rapidly shift aft beyond aircraft control limits. This resulted in a steeper and steeper nose rise, rapid loss of airspeed, and stall. Once the load broke loose and they were airborne, they were doomed.

What an awful tragedy!

71 posted on 04/30/2013 5:06:55 PM PDT by Gritty (The Constitution's purpose is to insulate personal freedom from a lust for power-Judge A. Napolitano)
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To: Gritty

I agree. A shifting load becomes far more possible when you consider the load was on wheels.


72 posted on 04/30/2013 5:09:50 PM PDT by South40 (I Love The "New & Improved" Free Republic!)
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To: Gritty
>>>my guess is part of the load broke loose and shifted aft probably right at rotation or slightly after takeoff, causing the Center of Gravity to rapidly shift aft beyond aircraft control limits.

That's my guess having been a cargo increment monitor in a past life and having worked with numerous load masters.

73 posted on 04/30/2013 5:12:29 PM PDT by NELSON111
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To: freedumb2003

the way that they have to be loaded into the aircraft is going to be changed after this. they have to be loaded into the fuselage at an angle, which doesnt allow for the load to be locked in. it is simply strapped in. i am willing to bet that the load of the 5 MRAP shifted very unexpectedly which caused the stall/spin. each MRAP weighs 14tons, so even if one of them broke its straps it would have shifted enough to either break the other MRAPs loose or if it was the only one, it would have surely caused the accident. they are saying that the weather might be to blame as well, however ive flown enough to let you know that it is probably unlikely. not saying to rule it out, but it is fairly unlikely that the cause of the stall/spin in a 747 from just that is unlikely. and before you go second guessing my train of thought, i have flown the C-5 Galaxy in the air force and i fly for this particular company. while i did not know this crew personally, i have flown into and delivered supplies to this particular airport.


74 posted on 04/30/2013 5:14:46 PM PDT by sukhoi31
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To: American Constitutionalist

as for the b-52, the truly sad part about this was the pilot that was ultimately at the control at the beginning of the crash had a history of doing stuff like this. he was what i would call an experienced pilot, but took many risks throughout his career. the commander of that wing didnt let anyone else fly with him but himself, so that he could prevent anything bad happening. if you research the right video, im sure its on youtube, you can see someone bailing out of the aircraft before it crashes. that is the commander of that wing jumping out trying to possibly have a slim chance of living. sadly he didnt make it. you are right that the b-52 stalled out due to the turn being too much.


75 posted on 04/30/2013 5:14:46 PM PDT by sukhoi31
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To: sukhoi31; American Constitutionalist
Echoes Of Air Force Plane Crash A B-52 Pilot Was Known For Stunts. His Commander Faces Trial.

The Crash of Czar 52 at Fairchild AFB, WA, in 1994 (Video)

Darker Shades of Blue: A Case Study of Failed Leadership

76 posted on 04/30/2013 5:43:21 PM PDT by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: af_vet_rr

Looks like all but one of these guys were from here in Michigan.

Pilots Brad Hasler of Trenton, Mich. and Jeremy Lipka of Brooklyn, Mich.; First Officer Rinku Summan of Canton, Mich.; loadmaster Michael Sheets of Ypsilanti, Mich.; First Officer Jamie Brokaw of Monroe, Mich.; and maintenance crew Gary Stockdale of Romulus, Mich. and Timothy Garrett of Louisville, Ky.

http://www.annarbor.com/news/ypsilanti/ypsilanti-man-among-7-killed-in-afghan-crash/


77 posted on 04/30/2013 5:56:16 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: NELSON111

They did drop their nose, just before hitting bottom.

The plane was wallowing without control due to lack of airspeed.


78 posted on 04/30/2013 6:08:36 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: South40

The aircraft was in Fresno, CA recently (layover at FAT cheaper than LAX)...the crew gave tours to local A&P students:
http://abclocal.go.com/kfsn/story?section=news/local&id=9085477


79 posted on 05/01/2013 10:47:45 PM PDT by Drago
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To: Timber Rattler

Darker Shade of Blue was a good read, thanks.


80 posted on 05/02/2013 12:39:31 AM PDT by jpsb
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