Skip to comments.On Naivety and Marco Rubio (Rush)
Posted on 04/30/2013 6:14:30 PM PDT by servo1969
RUSH: This is A.J., San Francisco. A.J., thank you for holding. Great to have out program. Hello.
CALLER: Yes, I had a question Rush. On your Friday show you took a call and you said that if the GOP passes the immigration law, it's the end of the GOP, they'd be dead. On yesterday's show you took a call from somebody and you said that Marco Rubio is a true conservative, basically we should still support him. So my question to you is, how can we support somebody who is sponsoring a bill that will kill the GOP?
RUSH: Well, I don't think that's what he thinks he's doing, number one. You know, you're putting me in a bit of a bind here 'cause I'll just tell you, I think -- whew. I think Senator Rubio is a little naive on the immigration stuff, and I also know that this bill is not intended to pass. You cannot take that out of the equation. I'll tell you something else. I'm glad you actually got through here, A.J. I know you thought it was stump the host day. But you're gonna help me look really good here, which is the purpose of a caller anyway.
Marco Rubio has so artfully positioned himself on this bill. It's a Gang of Eight. He controls four of 'em. Marco Rubio has it within his power to make or break this bill, because the Democrats and Chuck-U Schumer have allowed him to become the face of it. He has played this, I think, artfully well. He's got an opportunity here to demand everything he wants on this and to hold out if he doesn't get it. Now, he's gotta do that, but I think he's in a catbird seat if he wants it. I'm not saying he does. I don't know that he's looking at it this way. This is my interpretation of this from afar, but I think he's in a pretty decent situation. The reason I say he's a force, there's no question this guy is one of the few real conservatives in elected office today, folks. There's no question about that.
RUSH: Marco Rubio has said repeatedly -- and he's a good person -- he only wants what he thinks is the best for our country. I don't question secret motives, intentions of any deceptive kind where he's concerned.
RUSH: Now, let me address this Rubio stuff because the staff on the other side of the glass is very concerned that the headline in about five minutes on every website in the world is gonna be: "Limbaugh: Rubio Naive on Immigration." In the first place, let me say at the outset that Senator Rubio and I are friends. We know each other and we communicate somewhat regularly. So these efforts that are underway or might be underway to drive a wedge between Senator Rubio and me simply will not work.
There was a story last week. I don't remember the details of it, but it was essentially that I had been highly critical and was ripping Senator Rubio. His staff called me and said, "We know that's not true. We know that's not what happened. We know that's not what you said. We got it," and the same thing here on this immigration business. Folks, I'm not gonna backtrack from what I said. If we grant amnesty -- and Rubio does not support amnesty.
He's never come out and said he's for amnesty. If we do amnesty for 11 million or more illegal aliens, I'm telling you, it's the end of the Republican Party are. And it isn't just me saying so. The Politico ran that story 10 days ago. It's mathematics. That's all it is, and it's all I ever said it is. I've asked Senator Rubio about this. That's what it was. There was supposedly a report about how I really raked Rubio over the coals in his interview here and how he was mad at me over something
They called and said, "Look, we know that's not what happened," and it wasn't. I forget the express details. But it's simply a matter of mathematics. The voting percentages, polling data indicate that 70% of the Hispanic vote's gonna vote Democrat no matter what. McCain has even said that if we did amnesty tomorrow, it's not gonna get us a single Hispanic vote. But what it is gonna do is put us in the game. Right now we're not in the game, he thinks.
We don't have a chance to compete for their minds and hearts because they think we want 'em deported. I said, "That's a crock." We don't need immigration to reform to compete for the minds and hearts of any voter. We don't need to pass a law tomorrow before we can compete for anybody. We can go get votes. We can campaign. We can take our message to anybody or any group we want. We don't need a piece of legislation first.
But full-fledged amnesty is the end of the Republican Party, and I asked Senator Rubio, "Look, why would we want to do something that the Democrat Party is salivating over?" The Democrats want amnesty so bad they can taste it, because they know what it would mean. It would mean a number of new Democrats automatically that we simply can't compete with no matter what we do. That's why they are so eager for it! There was an AP piece three days ago: "Rush Limbaugh, Marco Rubio Show GOP Rift Over Immigration Reform."
(interruption) No. Ted Cruz was attacked by Republicans for participating in the gun filibuster. Republicans were yelling at him and saying mean things. You want courage? Try being Dr. Benjamin Carson. That's real courage. Now, I've said that I think Senator Rubio is a little naive here. Let me explain to you what I mean by that. Senator Rubio, when you listen to him -- and I've said this before. This is all repetition, but I'll do it again. Senator Rubio is a young guy. He just got elected to the Senate.
This was supposed to be Charlie Crist's seat. It was way too early for Senator Rubio. He wasn't supposed to be here yet. You listen to him, and he has -- and this is good, by the way. He has an enthusiasm for conservatism that anybody new to let scene has. His attitude is, "Okay, maybe we're in trouble, but I'm here now, and I'm conservative, and I've got the ability to convince anybody." He brings that to the table. We need that!
Too many elected Republicans today are backing away from conservatism. They're afraid of it because of how the left attacks anybody who is. Senator Rubio's undaunted by that. He's not afraid of it. When I say he's naive, I don't mean about immigration. I think... Maybe "naïve" is not even the right word for it. I just think that he's not quite... How do I say this? He's willing to give liberals a much bigger benefit of the doubt than I would, based on my experiences with 'em.
If I was asked to a meeting of a bunch of liberal senators, and they were trying to persuade me to agree with them on immigration? (snorts) I'm sorry. I'd take the meeting, but I would be suspicious of it. There's no way that I would get or be persuaded by them. I know them too well. But he's got this new enthusiasm. He's arrived here and he thinks he can do anything -- and that's good, and maybe he can. I do think now that Senator Rubio, in this Gang of Eight arrangement, is actually in a really good and unique position, since they have made him the face of it.
Schumer and the boys pushed him out as the face of it because the theory was, "Let's get a conservative out there who ostensibly wants what we want, and it'll make it harder for people in his party to oppose him, 'cause he's got presidential ambitions, and nobody wants to cut those short. Nobody on the right wants to take Marco Rubio out, so let's use him." It's a way to stifle any criticism of the Gang of Eight for putting him out there. He knows this. He's fully aware of it.
You know, Marco Rubio, from his own experience, that of his family, isn't as worried about immigrants willingly becoming underclass, happy to live on government benefits, as some of us are. The Democrat Party is counting on the fact that the vast majority of these illegals are just gonna become immediate wards of the state. That's what they want them to be. Now, Rubio... You've read the story. His father is from Cuba. His father sacrificed everything. There is nothing ward-of-the-state-like in any aspect of Rubio's experience or his life.
You'd have to say Rubio, he's Latino, Hispanic, however you define these things. He's from Cuba, and he believes, because of his own experience, that people like him can be reached. He believes, because of his own experience, that the conservative message is exactly what these people can be persuaded to support. I admire that. That kind of enthusiasm is needed. That kind of excitement and positive nature is needed. How else would any conservative have any say in Congress' push for immigration? It was inevitable, and he's positioned himself here brilliantly.
Now, when I brought up that the immigrants legalized would not be supporters of the Republicans electorally, I mentioned all this to him. I'm not saying anything here I haven't said to him, privately and in interviews on this program. He allowed that most would likely vote Democrat. He said and believed that they could be won by campaigning for them on the strength of the conservative message. And his point was compelling, about not fixing immigration for political reasons. The GOP will lose if they're doing this for political reasons. He said that right on this program. He said it's not in the best interests of the country. And Republicans are doing it for political purposes. The Republicans are totally convinced that the only way that they're ever gonna get more of the Hispanic vote -- I can't emphasize to you how much the Republican establishment really believes they lost the election because of the Hispanic vote.
Now, we heard yesterday, there's a new Pew survey or some survey, everybody believes it, that what really lost Romney the election was the white turnout, something we have been stating on this program since the election, by the way. The real question, why did the white vote stay home? If the percentages of the white vote and the black vote in 2008 had been replicated in 2012, so goes this report, Romney likely would have won. The difference wasn't the Hispanic vote. The difference was the white vote. So now we must ask why did they sit home?
Now, there are some who believe that the white voters that didn't vote for Romney stayed home because of me and talk radio during the primary. They believe that people like me during the Republican primaries were so insistent that Romney just be a full-fledged card-carrying conservative, that's when he wasn't, that we inspired the white vote to stay home. I think that is a crock. I'll tell you what is going on, in my humble opinion. I think the white voters that did vote in '08, didn't vote in 2012, are middle class voters who are listening to all the rhetoric coming out of Washington and they're convinced that nobody gives a rat's rear end about them. We gotta do this for that group. We gotta do that for that group.
We've got an economy crumbling. In 2012 we had an economy crumbling -- middle class white working -- the Obama campaign gave up on them. You remember that column that came out in November of 2011 by Thomas B. Edsall. I've quoted that thing thousands of times, where the Obama campaign wrote off the white working class vote. They knew they had already lost them. They're the bitter clingers. I think they probably thought, with all this other talk about doing this for that group and this, I think they're conservative to an extent, they're never gonna vote Obama, but I don't think they didn't vote for Romney 'cause he wasn't conservative enough. Nothing to do with it. I think it had to do with the fact that they just didn't think that anybody in Washington policy-wise had anything that was gonna fix what was wrong in their lives. And they said, to hell with it.
The Republicans who think that they lost because of the Hispanic vote are wrong. I mentioned this to Senator Rubio, too. The Hispanic vote was 7% of the electorate. By contrast, the evangelical vote was 28 or 29% of the electorate. Now, of the 7% of the Hispanics, Republicans got 27 or 28% of it. Big whoop. But on the evangelical side, of that 28 or 29% turnout or percentage of the electorate, Republicans got 80% of it. And in that group, why didn't they get a hundred percent of it? They weren't gonna vote Obama. Why didn't they get a hundred percent of it? Because they just felt ignored, overlooked, or what have you.
I don't think it anything to do with the primaries, anything to do with anything other than they heard all this talk about everybody else. Many of them think they're the backbone of America, or have been, and everything's being pulled out from under 'em. Meanwhile, it's their taxes that are supporting all this other stuff. And they just said, to hell with it.
Or, as I would put it, he hasn't been kicked in the balls by the Democrats enough yet to know better.
Naivety or Nativity?
Rubio isn’t naive. He understands who he’s doing this for, who’s funding it, or he’s the dullest tool in the shed. Rush is #2. What has Rubio done to deserve all this ‘benefit of the doubt’ stuff?
WHO is Americans for a Conservative Direction? (Hint—It AIN’T conservatives!)
BTW, anyone know anything about Rush's ex-wife Marta? I got the feeling while he was married to her it was like Jeb and his mexican wife. Rush would not talk about illegal aliens during that marriage.
He hasn’t done anything to warrant this kid glove treatment, AuntB.
All he has done so far was give some flowery yet meaningless speech at the GOP convention, and conspire with snakes to destroy this country with illegal aliens.
Rubio has made his reputation into so much mud that Rush is putting his own rep at risk with this nonsense, and I say that as a person who loves and respects Rush.
But I ain’t puttin’ up with this.
Nonsense. Rush sounds like Ann Coulter when she was telling us that Mitt Romney was the best conservative ever.
I don’t think Rush is dumb. So, evidently, he’s willing to put aside all of his principles for some dumb, corrupt reason I can’t even begin to understand.
I really like Rush, but he has his limits. Unwillingness to talk about Obama’s forged birth certificate is another obvious one.
More Stupid Utterings from El-RUSHBO.
Is he on Pain Killers again?
Part agree with Rush...part do not...on this one
Rubio has been Speaker of the Florida House....which is about as corrupt and incompentent as the US Congress. He is not that naive
Also...Rubio has always supported Illegal Alien Amnesty....when Speaker of FL House he killed numerous bills that would have given FL laws like Arizona, Georgia, and Alabama
Where Rubio is naive...is that he thinks he is not being made the fool and fall guy when Amnesty fails
“Where Rubio is naive...is that he thinks he is not being made the fool and fall guy when Amnesty fails”...AGAIN
El-Rushbo has been bought and sold like Rubio!
I was listening to Rush also, while I was out biking. You’re right. He was bobbing, weaving and equivocating. A big part of Rush’s appeal has always been the opposite of this. His straight-forwardness. I like Rush, and I’ve been a listener for two decades. But wow, his weird, rambling, tortured attempt to explain/defend Rubio today was an all-out mess. It truly made me cringe.
Rubio is no Reagan —he will “grow in office”. We all know what THAT means.
Rush is almost smitten with him, and he is GOING to be disappointed by Rubio in a very major way.
Rubio is Bob Dole with a chilli pepper.
At least MarcoPhone is catching holy heck from his constituents back in Florida. Another protest is now planned.
Rush wants desperately to believe that this Amnesty thing with Rubio is just a “ploy” that Rubio is undertaking and that Rubio doesn't really want the gang of 8’s plan to become law.
My belief is that, like that father of the promising son, Rush's eyes, FOR THE TIME BEING, are blinded to seeing the truth of what Rubio is. I'm not blind and I see Rubio for what he is—and I am bitterly disappointed in him. I see him trying to hustle the decent conservative folks such as Rush with his lies and his sweet talk.
Rubio, like the biggest shit-storm you can imagine, this creation of yours is all going to come flying back to haunt you and be your undoing. You've become trapped by your Gang of Eight Amnesty ploy like a fly caught by flypaper—struggle all you want, but you've become trapped by your own creation. Enjoy your time in bed with Schumer and Graham and McCain; you all deserve one another.
And now, Rush is dead to me.
Am I the only one who remembers that before his first election Rush told us what a true consrvative GW Bush was ...how did that turn out?..
“He hasnt done anything to warrant this kid glove treatment, AuntB.....Rubio has made his reputation into so much mud that Rush is putting his own rep at risk with this nonsense, and I say that as a person who loves and respects Rush.
But I aint puttin up with this.”
Exactly how I feel. It’s like watching friends drop dead. And what is this, “I talk to him on the phone all the time” stuff? About WHAT??
Rush has, in the past, had great political instincts.
But this Rubio stuff from him is a huge load of parsed crapolla. I’m embarrassed to hear Rush uttering such convoluted nonsense.
Rubio is now and will be in the future another lying, two faced, RINO sellout who will screw the hell out of *Americans* to assist ILLEGAL ALIENS in taking over this country. Got that Marco? They are not undocumented anything. They are criminals, illegal aliens. Nothing more.
HERE YOU GO!!
We already know who is advising Rubio, His chief of Staff....
See, Who is Cesar Conda?
So a former George Soros rag editor is now Rubios Chief of Staff.
Behind the scenes of Amnesty..
See, Who is Cesar Conda?
“Rush has, in the past, had great political instincts.....”
He still has those great political instincts. I think Rubio is simply a blind spot (and I believe a temporary blind spot) for him. Clarity in Rush’s perception of Rubio’s true character will be restored to Rush—hopefully in the relative near term.
Rush has pretty well worked all his life and probably hasn’t had much time to frequent pool halls. Or, more accurately, the kind of pool halls in which I wasted some of my youth. Rubio is a familiar type to me—the hustler. I learned to recognize his type in my youth and thus avoided the losses that sometimes befell some of my slower learning (or perhaps more gullible) friends. It was only recently that I started to see through Rubio’s facade and recognized the “hustler” character that was hiding behind that facade. After all these years I had started to let some of my character recognition skills get rusty and it took the Amnesty Gang of 8 business to restore those skills to me.
I hope Rush wakes up soon to Rubio’s true character and learns to recognize that he is being hustled. We need Rush; he is one of the great hopes we have of regaining and then retaining the great Republic we were given.
“Rubio is my friend.”
With those words Rush showed he is just like the rest of the elites.
Being part of their club trumps all principles. That is why the Senate is such a corrupt and dangerous place.
It’s like all those people who were friends of Hitler, and thus could overlook all the faults and corruption that was going on around them just to maintain their friendship.
Rubio looks naive, but is he as tough as his original backers proclaimed?
I don’t think Rush would ever agree with your analysis of Rubio, which is certainly original thinking on your part.
Reagan had a similar chief of staff, the Bushite Jim Baker. Didn’t help too much
Oh, me, I never realized that Marta is Hispanic? Never thought about it
I think what makes Rush go easy on Rubio is that he sees in Rubio a youthful optimism that he himself can no longer conjure, and he finds that optimism ingratiating. It is my opinion that, like me, Rush knows in his gut that America is finished. America is now nothing more than a land mass populated by moochers, cretins, ingrates, and parasites who have absolutely no respect for the military and who vote for big government to confiscate money from their neighbors so that it may be redistributed to them in exchange for their votes. It is not an America worth defending anymore. That America no longer exists.
The parasites outnumber the hosts now, and theres no going back. America is dead.
The Democrats have won.
America has now elected - - twice - - an African communist as its president and Commander-in-Chief. If that doesn't tell you America is finished, nothing will. Rush can hardly believe there are people like Rubio out there who still appear to have hope that America can be restored. Rush's problem is that he doesn't really know what kind of vision for a restored America Rubio truly has.
Rush lost me with the birther issue and his silence on the subject.
His Rubio comments seal the deal, he is a New World Ordeer republican sellout.
BS, Rush. Look up Rubio’s record as the Florida Leader of the House. Look it up! He isn’t doing what is best for this nation and I really resent your pandering to him. Expose him for what he is or your credibility will take a serious hit.
I have anther theory for the declining white turnout. Voter fraud.
Thanks for a thoughtful post. I’d like to learn more. What specific behaviors do you associate with a “hustler?”
In fact, at one point when I (that's right, me) was in communication with him it about it, he said, and I quote "Illegal immigration is the sign of a healthy economy." Those words were oddly enough, the very same terms in use by the US Chamber of Commerce! Now that the economy is distinctly unhealthy, Rush (and the Chamber) would like us to forget their "look the other way" stance.
Furthermore, Rush has become a fervent Rubio man. Rush has never admitted that there might even be a constitutional eligibility issue here... or anywhere else.
Let me explain a personal prejudice. I believe Right Wing Talk Radio has an overall negative effect on the conservative movement. It is a commercial broadcast phenomenon that reiterates the bad news about Obama day after day but only to an audience who already knows it. The constant negativity, IMNVHO, depresses turnout among the base. The mere word "Conservatism" is not a program nor a Plan for action. For instance, not one of the Rightie Yakkers ever asked Romney what his program or plan was to be if he should win the election. Instead they (and Romney) simply offered the voters the fact that Romney was not Obama. Result: so-called "conservatives" absent at the polls.
He ain’t married to Marta anymore.
Rush is right. Rubio is naive and will get burned after trying to “compromise” with democrats. Rubio will get burned by not trying to “compromise” with democrats too.
Either way, he’s toast.. I just hope he doesn’t get burned too badly.
Rubio is the voluntary and willing tool, being used by the usual amnesty/open borders suspects to hoodwink the American public into thinking that this Gang of 8 bill isn’t amnesty, and that it actually contains tough border enforcement requirements.
Everything Rubio is doing on this issue is deceitful and dishonest. Both Rush and Levin have said what a fabulous guy Rubio is, and how they’ve had many private conversations with him. And, of course, Hannity has been groveling and worshiping at Rubio’s feet since he first became known nationally.
Rush and Levin are hurting themselves in the eyes of many by pretending Rubio’s deceit and dishonestly is just a garden variety difference on an issue, nothing unusual.
“Rubio is the voluntary and willing tool, being used by the usual amnesty/open borders suspects to hoodwink the American public”
You’re right. There is simply no logical way Rubio doesn’t fully understand who is pushing and financing this amnesty...the biggest clue...he lies...he says this isn’t amnesty.
WHO is Americans for a Conservative Direction? (HintIt AINT conservatives!)
I don’t buy this whole “he means well but is just misguided” line. Rubio and other supporters of amnesty know exactly what they’re doing and why. There’s no sense looking for angels that just aren’t there.
Rubio is a traitor.
He has written a Bill with Charles Schumer, which if it passed would destroy the country forever.
Rubio must be opposed politically and driven from office.
First, folks, you know that Rubio is and has been a politician for years (Conservative as he has previously demonstrated). Second, you know that a politician does not do things or vote for things that gets him into hot water with his constituents. That leaves open the idea that maybe he is being disingenuous with his immigration plans.
Is it time for him to forgo his early Tea Party ideas and for us to actually look at what he is proposing now? There is a very big difference in these policies. Therefore, do we not consider him a traitor or just another politician seeking universal recognition and glorification by the media?
This is the remaining question and it is not totally clear yet, but becoming clearer by every speech he makes.
I intend to stay tuned and listen carefully though as he is fast losing my faith in his ideals!