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Longview ISD to track students tagged as violent (Minority Report active)
Longview News Journal ^

Posted on 04/30/2013 10:11:32 PM PDT by mnehring

The Longview school district will join a nationwide group that identifies students who could become violent and tracks them throughout their education — regardless of where they move.

Longview ISD officials said Wednesday the district will participate in the Student Safety National Alliance starting in the 2013-14 school year.

“What we are offering and introducing to you today is the Walmart for student safety and security,” said interim district Superintendent James Wilcox.

About 70 school administrators and campus police officers from 25 school districts attended a school safety conference at the district’s education safety center to learn about the alliance.

The alliance of schools maintains and shares a database to track students who have been deemed by school personnel to be potentially dangerous — capable of committing massacres such as the ones at Columbine High School, Virginia Tech and Newtown, Conn., officials said.

Profiler Dan Korem, author of “Rage of the Random Actor,” said 6 percent of the nation’s students exhibit random actor behavioral traits — character traits that indicate they could be violent.

He said about 50 percent of students are considered high risk.

“We’re here because of what happened at Sandy Hook. If we weren’t having these catastrophic acts, we wouldn’t be here,” Korem told school officials Wednesday.

Enrollment in the program costs districts 50 cents per student per year.

Based on the district’s enrollment of about 8,700 students, the district would pay $4,350 annually to participate, said Longview ISD spokesman Adam Holland.

District officials will be able to access the searchable database to enter profiles of students whom school personnel determined to be possible threats and to see if a student’s name is already in the database.

The information is available only to member school districts nationwide.

Information entered about students will follow them throughout their education — even if they move out of district or state, officials said.

The database can be used for students in grades kindergarten through college.

The database will not conflict with the Family Educational Rights and Privacy Act because the stored information will not be open to the public, officials said.

“This will not violate anyone’s right to privacy with any act much less FERPA,” Holland said.

In the Longview district, Assistant Superintendent Jody Clements and principals would be able to access the database.

Other school district administrators attending the conference said they believe the alliance has the potential to increase school safety.

Gladewater Superintendent J.P. Richardson said the program was attractive but officials his district would need more time to consider it before a decision is made.

“We will digest it and look at what we have in place that is similar to this at Gladewater ISD,” Richardson said. “Student safety is upmost important next to academics in Gladewater ISD.”

Mitzi Lloyd, Gladewater ISD assistant superintendent, said the potential to link all the databases together was an attractive feature.

James Skeeler, Pine Tree ISD assistant superintendent, said his district would also take joining the alliance into consideration.

“I will need to do more research and report to the board,” Skeeler wrote in an email statement.

Officials with Grand Prairie ISD, a district with about 27,000 students, said they would consider contracting with the alliance.

“Having the data on kids that are so mobile is going be one of the keys to us being able to manage behavior. By knowing their background, we have a foundation instead of us having to go from ground zero and guessing about the kids background,” said Grand Prairie Deputy Superintendent Vern Alexander.

The school safety alliance is not without its critics.

Branden Johnson, president of the local chapter of the NAACP, said although the database could have a positive effect on campus safety, there is a huge drawback to tagging students as troublemakers as early as kindergarten.

“On the positive side, you’re able to hopefully deter any major event from happening. But you have to understand this is labeling,” he said.

And Johnson believes labeling has a negative impact on children and their abilities to receive a quality education.

Although the information stored in the alliance’s database is not available to the public, Johnson said there is nothing stopping a principal from discussing a student’s profile in the system with his or her teacher, something he said will damage the teacher/student relationship in the classroom.

“This will adversely affect minority children, and everyone knows this, little Latino boys and girls and little African-American boys and girls,” he said.

Johnson also is concerned that children who are in elementary school may end up in the system based on normal childhood outbursts, including temper tantrums.

“There is too much subjective stuff involved. How many college students had behavioral problems when they were 7 years old?” he said.

Johnson contends the new policy could become another pipeline that pushes students from school to prison, an issue that has caught the attention of community leaders across the U.S.

“But hey, if the school district thinks this will help, OK. We are dealing with elected officials. If people don’t like this, they can vote those trustees right out of office,” he said.

Longview ISD also is considering joining with Richardson-based Pave Systems, a data clearinghouse that provides technology based security systems, Holland said.

Ghassan Nino, Pave Systems CEO, said his company provides technology through smart devices that will allow school officials to lock down a campus from anywhere using a smart device.

“That is something we have been studying since before today. We really like the idea of being able to lock down a school from outside or inside the school,” Holland said. “I think you will see that in the very near future at Longview ISD.”

That same smart device will simultaneously send an alert to police and first responders.

Wilcox said the alliance’s database and Pave Systems are giving school officials the tools they need to provide safer, more conducive learning environments.

“This not only provides a bigger safety net for our students, but a bigger dragnet for the random actor or person who is going to bring harm to our campus,” he said.


TOPICS: Government; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: cscope; minorityreport; precrime; publicschools; texas; turningtexasblue
Move over CSCOPE, Texas public schools are incorporating a 'pre-crime' prediction system like in the movie Minority Report. Per comments on the article, this would label about 50% of students as "At Risk" and 6% of students as "High Risk" all from the recommendation of a teacher. Labels that will follow them from school to school. None of which are based on any actual crimes committed by the students but by the school's belief they are 'at risk' and the metrics provided by this Pave Systems company.
1 posted on 04/30/2013 10:11:32 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: KevinDavis

Of SciFi interest.


2 posted on 04/30/2013 10:12:11 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: mnehring

Correction on my previous note. They are labeling up to 50% of students “High Risk”, a label to be viewed and judged through their school careers because someone has a hunch.

Let that sink in for a minute.


3 posted on 04/30/2013 10:16:12 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: mnehring; Allegra; big'ol_freeper; Lil'freeper; TrueKnightGalahad; blackie; Cincinatus' Wife; ...
Re: “We’re here because of what happened at Sandy Hook. If we weren’t having these catastrophic acts, we wouldn’t be here,” Korem told school officials Wednesday.

Gadzooks! I did not realize it was a violent 6 to 7 year old Sandy Hook student... that did the killing there?

4 posted on 04/30/2013 10:22:27 PM PDT by Bender2 ("I've got a twisted sense of humor, and everything amuses me." RAH Beyond this Horizon)
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To: Bender2
Oh... but you missed the rub. It wasn't even not an actual violent student but a student someone, somewhere thought could be violent at sometime and this company stuck that student's profile into their database and the metrics said they potentially could be violent so their name was put in their database as being a potential Sandy Hook type killer.

Where have I heard this before?


5 posted on 04/30/2013 10:26:59 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: mnehring
Re: The Longview school district will join a nationwide group that identifies students who could become violent and tracks them throughout their education — regardless of where they move.

Good, NOW we can keep these little bastards...  photo DearWormer-1-L-150.gif on DOUBLE SECRET PROBATION all their lives!

6 posted on 04/30/2013 10:28:07 PM PDT by Bender2 ("I've got a twisted sense of humor, and everything amuses me." RAH Beyond this Horizon)
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To: Bender2
Oh wait, they had precogs too:


7 posted on 04/30/2013 10:28:51 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: mnehring
Well, here is how I...  photo colostmy.gif uncog--
8 posted on 04/30/2013 10:31:28 PM PDT by Bender2 ("I've got a twisted sense of humor, and everything amuses me." RAH Beyond this Horizon)
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To: mnehring

I don’t know. It just seems to mean nothing when I don’t know what state it’s in and then it’s a waste of my time when . . .

Oh, well. I’ll get ready for the flames because it’s worth it.

Peeve.


9 posted on 04/30/2013 10:36:59 PM PDT by stanne
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To: mnehring; penelopesire

I can’t close my jaw.

Penelope: non-Boston Bombing ping


10 posted on 04/30/2013 10:41:50 PM PDT by thouworm (DEMOGOGUE: leader who makes use of prejudices, false claims and promises to gain power.)
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To: stanne

Did you try clicking on the article link?


11 posted on 04/30/2013 10:43:21 PM PDT by MEG33 (Prayers for all affected in Boston and West)
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To: LucyT

Pre-crime ping


12 posted on 04/30/2013 10:47:04 PM PDT by thouworm (DEMOGOGUE: leader who makes use of prejudices, false claims and promises to gain power.)
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To: MEG33

I know. I always get told what to do when I whine about this. And then sometimes I get just even more peeved. But today I’ll just say that I scan this stuff. I see a subject and want to know what’s happening and where. I am not in the mode of taking a chance of having things go crazy on my computer and there’s that chance since it does happen about once a week and can’t the poster just have some charity and place the state name in the first comment box?

And we’re all busy. We’re the ones working and doing.

Got lives to lead.

I might be the only one, but I don’t think so.

It’s peeving.


13 posted on 04/30/2013 11:03:15 PM PDT by stanne
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To: mnehring

Hmmm....if only WE could do this to POLITICIANS.


14 posted on 04/30/2013 11:07:25 PM PDT by Mortrey (Impeach President Soros)
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To: mnehring

I want a nationwide tracking system for identifying all the brave new world nut jobs in education that come up with these proposals, so that our elected reps can check it to keep these nuts out of public education. They are much more dangerous to our Liberty than are the few lone nuts to our security.


15 posted on 04/30/2013 11:21:06 PM PDT by Wuli (very)
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To: mnehring

Marked for later read....


16 posted on 05/01/2013 12:23:17 AM PDT by Gator113 ( ~just keep livin~ I drink good wine, listen to good music and dream good dreams.)
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I missed the part where it would ID Lanzas and prevent Sandy Hooks..


17 posted on 05/01/2013 12:53:12 AM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: mnehring
Let that sink in for a minute.

I have. This is an effing horrorshow just waiting for the curtain to go up.

One of my grandkids goes to a school where the counselor's son is the scourge of the playground. Those who are tired of being bullied by the kid are 'counseled' while mamma's little sociopath runs amok.

While that is just one real-life example of how the 'bad seed' will go ignored while others suffer for their sins. Keep in mind that Loughner (Shot Gabby Giffords, among others) was known to have "issues", but had a parent who worked on the inside at the sheriff's Dept (IIRC), and just didn't get prevented from becoming a serious problem.

18 posted on 05/01/2013 1:56:42 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: mnehring

How about “tracking politicians” who could be prone to corruption? Oh, the media used to do that, once upon a time.


19 posted on 05/01/2013 2:42:30 AM PDT by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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To: Bender2

"Oh, myyyyy..."

20 posted on 05/01/2013 3:58:14 AM PDT by Old Sarge (My "KMA List" is growing daily...)
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To: Smokin' Joe
that is just one real-life example of how the 'bad seed' will go ignored while others suffer for their sins.

Not ignored. Celebrated.

Look at the axiom "women love bad boys". Large segments of our culture praises "Billy Badass". And they grow up to be union thugs.

21 posted on 05/01/2013 4:12:59 AM PDT by Old Sarge (My "KMA List" is growing daily...)
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To: mnehring

Back in the 50’s and 60’s when I was in school I certainly would have made the list.

Why? Because I was a standard male of that era and if provoked, would knock the snot out of you. Of course, that was expected of all masculine males at the time but now males have been feminized and socially castrated.

I was not alone since it was the norm (rather than the exception) for males back then. However, today any such action would land you in jail or worse yet, sued out of your life savings.

My generation is aging and dying away while the “kinder-gentler” neutered males have taken over.

Now, we all expect some form of government to protect our property, safety and lives instead of our natural God given gender and the natural function of that gender....masculinity.

There is a natural reason why males are larger and more powerful than females. I guess today’s generation has no idea why.


22 posted on 05/01/2013 4:18:30 AM PDT by DH (Once the tainted finger of government touches anything the rot begins)
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To: mnehring
"He said about 50 percent of students are considered high risk. “We’re here because of what happened at Sandy Hook. If we weren’t having these catastrophic acts, we wouldn’t be here,” Korem told school officials Wednesday."

Who's "WE" Tonto? Sounds like a blue state problem to me. We're more concerned about jihadis infiltrating our military like the POS that was transferred from DC to Ft Hood. Stay the hell away from Texas students with your blue state mindset.

23 posted on 05/01/2013 4:33:55 AM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: mnehring

You know where this is headed. If a teacher suspects there are guns in the home, your child will be on the list. Count on it.


24 posted on 05/01/2013 4:58:33 AM PDT by PowderMonkey (WILL WORK FOR AMMO)
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To: PowderMonkey

If your kid “shoots” another with his finger, he’ll be on the list.

Sometimes, I wish we’d have a huge solar flare that would knock out all this intrusive technology.


25 posted on 05/01/2013 5:34:49 AM PDT by goldi
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To: stanne
can’t the poster just have some charity and place the state name in the first comment box?

It was in the keywords and category.

26 posted on 05/01/2013 5:34:58 AM PDT by mnehring
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To: mnehring

I’m pretty sure that’s supposed to be read as 50% of the 6%, or 3% overall. So they admit right off the bat that half of their labeling will be incorrect.

Here’s hoping the fine people of Longview bounce these elected clowns out of office, so they can fire anyone associated with this.


27 posted on 05/01/2013 6:40:43 AM PDT by green iguana
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To: green iguana

Even if that is the case, that is still roughly 200-300 students labeled, potentially from kindergarten as dangerous based on no action of their own but simply based on statistical metrics from this private organization.


28 posted on 05/01/2013 6:47:22 AM PDT by mnehring
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To: stanne
Unless you read at a 5th grade level, in the time it took for you to post two ridiculous comments you could have read the article.... but you are busy.

Let me condense this for you: Teachers can determine a child is mean or a threat and considering many teachers in this country are left leaning liberals who do you think they are going to list as "angry"? Kids get listed as high risk to become a mass murderer and the label follows them from school to school. Is that a big enough deal for you to care enough to read the article?

29 posted on 05/01/2013 7:56:23 AM PDT by WhyisaTexasgirlinPA (Liberals chant that ID for voting is racist, so isn't ID for purchasing a gun racist?)
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To: stanne; MEG33; WhyisaTexasgirlinPA; humblegunner

It’s also a peeve of mine when I see a freeper who doesn’t have a reasonable guess where Longview is from the getgo and so I look to see where in the US that freeper lives to figure why they have never heard of Longview TEXAS...east Texas between Tyler and Shreveport LA

used to be serious oil patch...especially neighboring Upshur county

and those freepers are SOOOOOO BUSY....they can’t put up a wuttle flag about where they live just to give some context to their posting

i think you and humblegunner (who I guarantee knows where Longview is) should hook up

he has a pet peeve too...of a sort


30 posted on 05/01/2013 8:42:24 AM PDT by wardaddy (wanna know how my kin felt during Reconstruction in Mississippi, you fixin to find out firsthand)
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To: WhyisaTexasgirlinPA; Black Agnes

they would list my kids as dangerous likely..since they will fight to defend themselves or others

most teachers...especially at lower levels they tend to be utterly brainwashed young women...are just not thinkers for themselves..much less informed than the average freeper

they regurgitate what they read from curriculum

even in a county like mine 70% GOP voting

you should see me at parent teacher meeting...better yet...you should see my little 100 pound wifey

nobody picks on her babies over their cultural views

especially not some wet behind the ears 25 year old gurl

when I grew up i thought Jewish moms were a bit loud at school but today letting the school know if they single out your kids and that you will support them over social views in a hard left world does put them on notice

it works...it’s called pushback


31 posted on 05/01/2013 8:47:49 AM PDT by wardaddy (wanna know how my kin felt during Reconstruction in Mississippi, you fixin to find out firsthand)
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To: wardaddy
“Having the data on kids that are so mobile is going be one of the keys to us being able to manage behavior. By knowing their background, we have a foundation instead of us having to go from ground zero and guessing about the kids background,” said Grand Prairie Deputy Superintendent Vern Alexander.

Uh, isn't this what your permanent record is for? Don't they share information regarding grades and test scores when a child moves from district to district? Wouldn't a record of incidents, such as trips to the Principal's office or detention give a pretty good idea of the type of student you were admitting to your school? This reeks of more private information being farmed out to unsecured employees of a paid vendor instead of the school doing their job with available resources.

32 posted on 05/01/2013 8:51:10 AM PDT by WhyisaTexasgirlinPA (Liberals chant that ID for voting is racist, so isn't ID for purchasing a gun racist?)
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To: wardaddy

Fortunately we are done with public schooling - one still in college and he is, admittedly, one of the few conservatives who speak out - even in Texas. However, he has found on an online discussion group for a government class, that once he speaks out others begin to chime in. Recently on a “guns on campus” discussion he was the only one saying he didn’t want to be a sitting duck in a “no guns allowed” environment and was getting attacked until a girl spoke up about fears of being attacked in the parking lot and others began to understand her fears - such sheep, but anyway I guess he would be on this list too if still in a public school because he is definitely pro gun.


33 posted on 05/01/2013 8:57:02 AM PDT by WhyisaTexasgirlinPA (Liberals chant that ID for voting is racist, so isn't ID for purchasing a gun racist?)
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To: WhyisaTexasgirlinPA

young people want to be accepted...by their peers


34 posted on 05/01/2013 9:07:03 AM PDT by wardaddy (wanna know how my kin felt during Reconstruction in Mississippi, you fixin to find out firsthand)
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To: wardaddy

This whole initiative is linked to CSCOPE in TX. It will be implemented as part of the ‘Common Core Initiative’ nationwide. Just because your kid isn’t in school in THAT particular school district doesn’t mean your kid won’t be participating in this little human social experiment.

Whether mom and dad push back or not.

You’ll have no way of knowing what information they really DO keep on your child. Especially when it all ties into Obamacare (as provided for by the obamacare legislation). In fact, your ‘pushback’ will probably just cause your kids to get two or three ‘extra’ checkmarks next to their names in the invisible database you’ll never be allowed to access.


35 posted on 05/01/2013 9:12:49 AM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: wardaddy

Mash here:

http://www.examiner.com/article/common-core-and-national-student-database-subject-of-community-forum


36 posted on 05/01/2013 9:14:14 AM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: wardaddy
It’s also a peeve of mine when I see a freeper who doesn’t have a reasonable guess where Longview is...

I thought putting Texas in the keywords and category was enough. I guess not.

37 posted on 05/01/2013 9:28:48 AM PDT by mnehring
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To: wardaddy; stanne

I did not bother to inform stanne..He had enough time to post that reply. I would have told him about antivirus programs, too, but I was busy.
;o)

I’m still trying to get my mind around the serious implications and consequences of this database following a child around. Labels can stick even when wrongly placed.


38 posted on 05/01/2013 10:06:58 AM PDT by MEG33 (Prayers for all affected in Boston and West)
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To: MEG33

I know! Really wanted to know which state. I get into a quick browsing mode, and want toe keep up with everything and these days, the speed of that task is dizzying. Seriously.

And Texas is such a target, now because it does so much right and because it would be such a coup.


39 posted on 05/01/2013 11:49:41 AM PDT by stanne
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To: WhyisaTexasgirlinPA; MEG33; wardaddy

I read at a fifth grade level

I teach High school literature in a private school where they let us teach Homer and Shakespeare, Austen and Twain.

And I’m organized and busy, trying to instill, through the use of my 1989 American Lit textbook, a sense of the classics, themes, characters & virtue & vice, and American heritage.

And I’m raising kids and trying to help family, spouse and community and trying to keep up with current events.

I expect to be flamed by the rare freeper or two for asking for a simple act of charity and on behalf of anyone else who skims these pages while paying bills, keeping house, calling rip off artists disguised as telephone service companies.

So. thanks for not letting me down.

And I have all of the latest and expensive antivirus I can get the time and resources to purchase.


40 posted on 05/01/2013 1:13:21 PM PDT by stanne
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To: stanne; MEG33; wardaddy
Well stanne, with your busy life and career I am shocked you had time to get on line and partially skim, then reply several times to an article you didn't have time to read.

I happen to know wardaddy also works to support a large family, as well as finding time to keep his beautiful wife feeling totally loved and supported and yet he had time to read the article. I admit to not being as busy as I once was - as a homeschooling Mom I kept pretty busy and I take care of my home and family still, but honestly, those bon bons aren't going to eat themselves while I wait for my nail polish to dry yet I still have time to read these articles.

41 posted on 05/01/2013 1:59:58 PM PDT by WhyisaTexasgirlinPA (Liberals chant that ID for voting is racist, so isn't ID for purchasing a gun racist?)
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To: WhyisaTexasgirlinPA

:)
I was responding, as you can see, to the inquiry about whether I could read 5th grade English.

It was just a request and I knew I’d get flamed

It does remind me of my days growing up win a huge family around a bunch of huge families.

It’s the same.

you ask for something and you get so much crap


42 posted on 05/01/2013 2:38:36 PM PDT by stanne
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To: stanne

“I might be the only one, but I don’t think so.”

You’re not the only one. My phone explodes on some sites. I think it may be Texas, which would be worth the cybertrip, but now i have to keep scrolling to find out, or just click and take the chance.

/peeve


43 posted on 05/02/2013 4:28:10 AM PDT by Nita Nupress
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To: mnehring

Ah. A keyword clue. Thank you. Btw, it’s nothing personal and nothing new.


44 posted on 05/02/2013 4:30:50 AM PDT by Nita Nupress
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To: Nita Nupress; WhyisaTexasgirlinPA; MEG33; wardaddy

Might be Texas.

My computer guys just mouthbreathe when I tell them looking for a solution.

I open nothing that’s not worth I.

We don’t do any social sites. Kids are well trained to do the same. Tey pay for any crashing.

No FB.


45 posted on 05/02/2013 4:54:02 AM PDT by stanne
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To: stanne

My Wifey is addicted to Facebook and pinarest

Good move


46 posted on 05/02/2013 9:12:50 AM PDT by wardaddy (wanna know how my kin felt during Reconstruction in Mississippi, you fixin to find out firsthand)
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