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To: Loud Mime; clee1
I prefer this warning from James Madison at the same convention. He responded to Patrick Henry’s charge that the Constitution’s enumerated powers would be usurped and our freedoms destroyed by a national government that would quickly seize all power.

Madison: “If the general government were wholly independent of the governments of the particular states, then, indeed, usurpation might be expected to the fullest extent. But, sir, on whom does this general government depend? It derives its authority from these governments, and from the same sources from which their authority is derived.”

Indeed. The 17th removed State agency from the federal republic. As predicted by Montesquieu, Federalists and Anti-Federalists alike, we slipped into an overwhelming, consolidated national government that oppresses both the States and us with raw force.

3 posted on 05/01/2013 4:44:44 AM PDT by Jacquerie (How few were left who had seen the republic! - Tacitus, The Annals)
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To: Jacquerie

You can always be counted on for a thoughtful contribution.


5 posted on 05/01/2013 5:07:08 AM PDT by Loud Mime (Liberal: A person who charges their grandchildren for today's party)
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To: Jacquerie

...And, those idiots, that wrote up the 17th did it in such a rush and without the influence of the law of unintended consequences, failed to note that Representatives had a two year term of office, NOT SIX, and on those grounds alone, the seventeenth should have failed ratification and we wouldn’t be faced with near impossible task of attempting to protect ourselves from a runaway federal government by and through state governments who are subject to lawsuit by the Government they gave the power to govern in the first place, and may I add:

The federal government does not have the power vested to sue those from whom it has received license. Eric Holder and the Justice Dept, and the President of the United States are engaging in Treason on even the contemplation of such action, and the States are in breach of their duty to “the People” in not withdrawing all power previously given to the federal government until such time as it restores the Republic as outlined in the founding documents to the limited and defined powers the Federal Government is entitled to.


7 posted on 05/01/2013 5:27:35 AM PDT by wita
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To: Jacquerie
The 17th removed State agency from the federal republic. As predicted by Montesquieu, Federalists and Anti-Federalists alike, we slipped into an overwhelming, consolidated national government that oppresses both the States and us with raw force.

For most of my life, I thought the 17th was a good idea. But a few FReepers' posts have lately precipitated my re-examination of my stance.

As I look around me at the people now in my neighborhood, in my precinct, my county and State, I can see plainly we are not the same people as we were in my youth. We do not select U.S. Senators very well now. I wonder if we did back then either.

Perhaps our Founders should have proscribed one six-year term only for each Senator. After their term expired, each could run again but only after sitting out a six-year period and remaining a full-time resident and not just property owner in the State they represented. Of course, the 17th cannot be changed peacefully now.
8 posted on 05/01/2013 5:30:43 AM PDT by Resettozero
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