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What Should We Do about Guns?
nationalreview.com ^ | 1 May, 2013 | John Lott

Posted on 05/01/2013 8:17:49 PM PDT by marktwain

After the defeat of the Manchin-Toomey background-check bill, and the subsequent demonization of the Senate, Senators Manchin and Toomey are reportedly back at work on bipartisan legislation addressing gun control. John R. Lott, author of the new book At the Brink, who has been researching gun policy for decades, talks about the state of the debate with National Review Online’s Kathryn Jean Lopez.

Kathryn Jean Lopez: Gabby Giffords has accused the Senate of being in the grips of the gun lobby. Is there another explanation for the defeat of the Manchin-Toomey bill?

JOHN R. LOTT: Yes, there is. The politicians were simply representing the voters in their districts.

The accusation that politicians were attempting to please the gun lobby at the expense of their constituents, which is based on the oft-repeated assertion that 80 to 90 percent of the public say they favor background checks, is simply not credible. The survey questions on which this statistic is based proved nothing more than that respondents wished to disarm criminals. The questions posed were about a hypothetical, idealized system of background checks, not about the actual legislation facing Congress.

A better survey was recently released by the Pew Research Center. It asked: “What word best describes how you feel about the Senate voting down new gun control legislation that included background checks on gun purchases?” Many voters were upset that the bill didn’t pass, but a very substantial group were relieved. Overall, 47 percent were disappointed and 39 percent were relieved. Not surprisingly, opinions varied drastically across political affiliation. Among Republicans, 51 percent were relieved and 34 percent were disappointed. Among independents, the split was 48 percent relieved and 41 disappointed. In sharp contrast, only 22 percent of Democrats were relieved, while 67 percent were disappointed.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: background; banglist; guncontrol; gungrabbygifford; holderyerballseric; nocompromise; secondamendment; senate; youwillnotdisarmus
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1 posted on 05/01/2013 8:17:50 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain
What Should We Do about Guns?

Shoot'em!! specially at those who want to take them away from us!!

2 posted on 05/01/2013 8:20:12 PM PDT by DustyMoment (Congress - another name for anti-American criminals!!)
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To: marktwain

To the headline: nothing


3 posted on 05/01/2013 8:21:37 PM PDT by svcw (If you are dead when your heart stops, why aren't you alive when it starts.)
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To: DustyMoment

“Shoot’em!!”

My lib sources told me that guns just get up and start shooting people.


4 posted on 05/01/2013 8:22:44 PM PDT by max americana (fired liberals in our company after the election, & laughed while they cried (true story))
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To: marktwain

Clean, maintain and keep ‘em in top shape.


5 posted on 05/01/2013 8:23:16 PM PDT by Jyotishi (Seeking the truth, a fact at a time.)
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To: marktwain

“What Should We Do about Guns?”

Practice.


6 posted on 05/01/2013 8:23:48 PM PDT by MestaMachine
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To: marktwain
Gabby Giffords has accused the Senate of being in the grips of the gun lobby.

Grabby is lucky if she can find the bathroom. This is from that gold digging, master of exploitation husband of hers.

7 posted on 05/01/2013 8:24:04 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (I got expelled from the "fundamental transformation" indoctrination center.)
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To: marktwain

What Should We Do about Guns? Enjoy them!


8 posted on 05/01/2013 8:24:22 PM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: max americana

The end paragraph by Lott is extremely telling:

“To me, the debate has always been about safety. The vast majority of academic research supports my findings. The debate has been between those who argue that there is a benefit from those who own guns and those who claim that there is no significant effect on crime.”

Either way, not even considering Constitutional questions, there is no legitimate reason for increased regulation of guns.

It is the illegitimate reasons that we have to worry about, and which the left hysterically refuses to consider.


9 posted on 05/01/2013 8:25:48 PM PDT by marktwain (The MSM must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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To: DustyMoment

So Obama is lying to the American people......again. What a surprise.


10 posted on 05/01/2013 8:26:19 PM PDT by MtBaldy (If Obama is the answer, it must have been a really stupid question)
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To: marktwain

Go back to the time of Victorian England. There were no controls on guns at all except for proofing them. and handguns required you to buy a stamp at the post office. These stamps were sold as routine. You just walk up to the clerk and say you want a X or Y stamp and he sells you one.

Other guns such as rifles, pistols, revolvers, machine guns and so on required nothing.

There crime rates were so low that one could usually count the total number of armed robberies in the entire nation on the fingers of one hand.


11 posted on 05/01/2013 8:34:01 PM PDT by yarddog (Truth, Justice, and what was once the American Way.)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

That big bad gun lobby.

There is only on thing we need to tell the libs:

The big bad gun lobby would have absolutely no power except for one thing and that is that they represent millions of ordinary folks like you and me. They speak for us.

That is not bad. It gives us a voice that will be heard.


12 posted on 05/01/2013 8:34:03 PM PDT by old curmudgeon
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To: marktwain

“What should we do about guns?”

Load ‘em, center the front sight, and s-q-u-e-e-z-e the trigger.


13 posted on 05/01/2013 8:36:59 PM PDT by Jack Hammer (American)
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To: marktwain

Pass a law requiring all criminals to turn in their guns. Then give them to the good guys.

Problem solved.


14 posted on 05/01/2013 8:37:02 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( ==> sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: marktwain

“What Should We Do About Guns?”
That’s a provocative question, raising many others:
`How do you solve a problem like Maria?’
`Does I have spinach in me teeth? (Popeye)
`Where’s Waldo?’
`What if our universe is just a drop of dew on a blade of grass ... ?’
`Whut?’
And:
What if the left was as `concerned’ about infanticide, the budget, personal responsibility, the economy, terrorism, etc., as they are about our guns?


15 posted on 05/01/2013 8:37:25 PM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: All armed conservatives.)
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To: rockrr
What should we do about guns?

Make sure they are sighted in.

16 posted on 05/01/2013 8:39:27 PM PDT by Licensed-To-Carry (Hey Obama! It's all your fault now, you own it.)
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To: marktwain

“What Should We Do about Guns?”

If you want my guns, you should bring yours.


17 posted on 05/01/2013 8:45:56 PM PDT by Gator113 ( ~just keep livin~ I drink good wine, listen to good music and dream good dreams.)
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To: marktwain

Strip and parkerize them.


18 posted on 05/01/2013 8:59:46 PM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: yarddog

You sir, have read Joyce Lee Malcolm!

Thank you for adding erudition to the discussion!

Leftists destroy, they do not build1


19 posted on 05/01/2013 9:04:28 PM PDT by marktwain (The MSM must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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To: Gator113
If you want my guns, you should bring yours.

We can trade? This might beat a boating accident. "I traded them for some farm implements."

20 posted on 05/01/2013 9:07:31 PM PDT by tpmintx (Gun free zones are hunting preserves for unarmed people.)
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To: DustyMoment
What Should We Do about Guns?
Shoot'em!! specially at those who want to take them away from us!!

Ya took the words right outta my mouth!

21 posted on 05/01/2013 9:09:15 PM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: marktwain
I know several people who told me that Senators were bought by the NRA, which is funded by gun manufacturers. I did some research that I shared with them that most the NRA money comes from members.

They just don't want to believe that real people got their way. They want to believe that evil blood money was what caused the vote to go against their wishes.

22 posted on 05/01/2013 9:11:24 PM PDT by Robert357 (D.Rather "Hoist with his own petard!" www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1223916/posts)
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To: marktwain

Clean them, oil them and keep them dry.


23 posted on 05/01/2013 9:20:02 PM PDT by TigersEye (If babies had guns they wouldn't be aborted)
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To: tpmintx

Good idea... I have lots of farm implements too.


24 posted on 05/01/2013 9:20:23 PM PDT by Gator113 ( ~just keep livin~ I drink good wine, listen to good music and dream good dreams.)
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To: yarddog
You don't need to go back to Victorian times. Just look at an average town in Switzerland today. I recently was looking at some photos of and information about my great-grandmother's place of birth there in the canton of Glarus (over to the east, not far from the Austrian border).

Reading the local news website for that area was like peering back through the mists of time. Clicking on "police and crime" in the sidebar brought up mostly a collection of stories about traffic accidents. No murders, no rapes, no muggings. Oh, and the cantonal Schützenfest is sponsored by a *brewery*.

25 posted on 05/01/2013 9:26:52 PM PDT by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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To: marktwain

yea I read it this am...good info and polling data- I’m personally concerned about some of the ceded ground (which my state and others are staking back out).

Guns are tools, for right or wrong; they are equalizers, defenders of the poor and bulwarks against abuse by government or criminals.

Cherish them, maintain them, and train the next generation in their proper use.


26 posted on 05/01/2013 9:35:39 PM PDT by One Name (Ultimately, the TRUTH is a razor's edge and no man can sit astride it.)
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To: FReepers; Patriots; FRiends





Please help us keep FR alive.

Thank you very much!

God bless.

P.S. And NEVER give up your guns.
That will be the absolute end.

~Jim

27 posted on 05/01/2013 9:44:11 PM PDT by onyx (Please Support Free Republic - Donate Monthly! If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, Let Me know!)
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To: marktwain

let people own them and use them.
respect the damn constitution. not just give it lip service as you tear it down.


28 posted on 05/01/2013 9:49:44 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: marktwain

2nd Amendment bump for later...


29 posted on 05/01/2013 9:53:05 PM PDT by indthkr
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To: yarddog

More than that, one thing I’ve noticed is that Letters of Marque issued by the United States may reference a private ship that is already armed with cannon, but doesn’t authorize it.

In other words, private American citizens used to be able to buy cannon without a background check.


30 posted on 05/01/2013 9:53:14 PM PDT by Psycho_Bunny (Thought Puzzle: Describe Islam without using the phrase "mental disorder" more than four times.)
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To: marktwain
What Should We Do about Guns?

Buy more.

31 posted on 05/01/2013 9:54:25 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: marktwain

The other side needs to stop shooting their mouths off.

Just today I had to hear “The gun nuts are making pink guns for first timers”.

So Friggin Stoopit and said to get a rise of me.

Didn’t bother to answer the challenge and illuminate him on just how long chicks have been buying pinkgunz


32 posted on 05/01/2013 9:58:24 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: marktwain

33 posted on 05/02/2013 2:20:25 AM PDT by Libloather (The epitome of civility.)
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To: Psycho_Bunny; All

“In other words, private American citizens used to be able to buy cannon without a background check.”

We could buy cannon and the ammo for them without hindrance up until 1968. I remember, having lived during the time you could see the ads in the American Rifleman. I am talking about anti-tank guns and anti-aircraft guns and ammo. There were no crimes committed with them, but Johnson wanted them outlawed, and he did.

We still can buy muzzle loading cannon without hindrance, for the most part.


34 posted on 05/02/2013 2:55:55 AM PDT by marktwain (The MSM must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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To: marktwain

Start teaching gun safety in all public schools,it’s for the safety of the children,they are going to do it anyway.


35 posted on 05/02/2013 4:03:33 AM PDT by ballplayer
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To: marktwain

What we should do about guns? How about making them less expensive and do the same for ammo!


36 posted on 05/02/2013 5:02:39 AM PDT by New Jersey Realist (America: home of the free because of the brave)
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To: marktwain

The guy has the weirdest eyebrows since the latest Romulan Ambassador, but I love his work.


37 posted on 05/02/2013 5:58:22 AM PDT by RandallFlagg
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To: marktwain

What to do about guns?
1. Repeal all laws restricting the sale and/or posession of firearms. Yes, even to convicted fellons. If they have served their sentence then they should be considered in good standing unless they commit another crime. The crooks don’t pay attention to the law any way.
2. Conduct mandatory arms training in the public schools grades K-12.


38 posted on 05/02/2013 6:05:00 AM PDT by Lion Den Dan
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To: marktwain

Take good care of your guns.

reload if possible.

better yet upgrade to better optics, better or more specifc calibers.

And ultimately upgrade technologically.

In some discussions many suggest we not scoff at the eventuality of a hostile alien invasion from OTHER than outside our borders.

Then we need SUPERIOR firepower, even EXCEEDING that of our military.

Like really good efficient flamethrowers for instance, everybody should have an assault flame thrower.

Hundreds of years in the future what weapon kills more aliens?

Yuuup, its the flame thrower.


39 posted on 05/02/2013 6:11:48 AM PDT by Spartan302 (Spartans never quit, they come back later with more warriors.)
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To: max americana
My lib sources told me that guns just get up and start shooting people.

Interesting, isn't it?? SUVs also cause their own accidents, NOT the people driving them!!

40 posted on 05/02/2013 9:44:46 AM PDT by DustyMoment (Congress - another name for anti-American criminals!!)
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To: george76; dljordan; GraceG; dynachrome; unkus; loungitude; Washi; RandallFlagg; MileHi; G Larry; ...
John Lott: "The Obama administration made the extremely unusual move of lobbying Democrats in the Colorado state house for a bill that would charge people a fee when they purchase a gun. The day before I went to Colorado to start my book tour for At the Brink, Vice President Biden promised Democratic state legislators help from the White House next year if they voted the right way on gun control. He also threatened that the White House would help recruit primary opponents to run against those who voted the wrong way. Democrats voted down Republican amendments that would have exempted poor people from paying the fee and capped the transfer fee at a maximum of $35."

That's one of the reasons that we have been losing the culture wars. The left is not afraid to advance the goals it wants to achieve. Instead of calls to eliminate “gun-free zones,” we get geniuses at places like the Republican National Committee that want to attract moderates with ideas like Medicare Part D, No Child Left Behind and the recent mea culpa for why Romney blew it last November. It can be effective, but it's conventional thinking. That's what Schumer and Emanuel did when, "In 2006, Democrats built a congressional majority by embracing and convincing pro-gun, pro-life moderates to run in marginal states and districts."

To roll back the left we needs pols that can vigorously advance conservative ideas, not RINOs like Dole, McCain and Romney who want to nibble around the middle. That's why we have nationally almost 40 % Independents, and why so many white voters stayed home last November. "Rough calculations suggest that in 2012, 2 million to 5 million fewer whites voted compared with 2008, even though the pool of eligible white voters had increased."

I made a mistake of omission when I wrote about my state ping list project. I assumed everybody thinks like me. I failed to state that when I saw a particular state being mentioned in a story like Colorado in the first quoted paragraph of my comment, and I pinged george76 with my list for Colorado, I assumed george76 would in turn also ping his Colorado state ping list. That was my fault for not being explicit when I wrote that vanity.

Ping lists are not 100% efficient for any number of reasons. I only check pings to me periodically, less than I check my threads or mail. That's my fault too. Except for the largest states, most of my state ping lists are on the small size.

So if I already pinged you to a story that involves your state, e.g. Colorado, please don't be annoyed if george76 also pings you to it. You may have missed my earlier ping about that story, other pertinent links or comments may have been been made to the thread, etc.

Let me know if you want to be removed from my list of State ping lists.

41 posted on 05/02/2013 4:10:49 PM PDT by neverdem (Register pressure cookers! /s)
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To: neverdem
A fee to exercise a Constitutional right?

Good idea! Let's bring back the poll tax!

42 posted on 05/02/2013 4:13:37 PM PDT by null and void ("Och, aye 'twas a huge beastie the shape of a haggis but the size o' the football pitch at Dunkeld!")
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To: DustyMoment

Design cool, accurate new guns with simple, reliable, robust actions that would impress even John Moses Browning and give ‘em HUGE magazines to PO the gun grabbers. Design even better ammo to feed ‘em!


43 posted on 05/02/2013 4:16:32 PM PDT by Little Ray (How did I end up in this hand-basket, and why is it getting so hot?)
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To: yarddog

The Brits were undoubtedly bored to tears and decided to bring some excitement and beat-downs into their lives ~ so they restricted guns.


44 posted on 05/02/2013 4:22:18 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: neverdem

Of course you are correct, but the reason the Republicans are timid is in large part because the MSM actively attacks them, but not leftists.

One of the reasons that Ted Cruz can be so bold is because he ran and won on new media.


45 posted on 05/02/2013 4:23:45 PM PDT by marktwain (The MSM must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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To: neverdem

This is so true. The Left is willing to fight tooth and nail, Republicans want to play around of golf and discuss. Until we are willing to slap them down big time, we will lose over and over again.


46 posted on 05/02/2013 4:25:36 PM PDT by AdaGray
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To: neverdem

“Rough calculations suggest that in 2012, 2 million to 5 million fewer whites voted compared with 2008, even though the pool of eligible white voters had increased.”

I think they voted. I don’t think they were counted. The left realized that with modern computer voting, it isn’t as easy to create votes out of thin air any more. But addition by subtraction gets the same result if you just eliminate votes that were actually cast.


47 posted on 05/02/2013 4:28:27 PM PDT by henkster (I have one more cow than my neighbor. I am a kulak.)
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To: null and void; neverdem

if you do that does the first one become fee speech like if it is a penny for your thots like how much more is it gonna cost me for my two cents worth and if i just shut up then it costs me everthing right


48 posted on 05/02/2013 4:28:30 PM PDT by bigheadfred
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To: max americana

Smith & Wesson Gun-Cam™

 Gun Cam is Active

For some time I had been wondering, "Do guns really cause crime? " I kept reading about "gun violence" and "gun deaths" and so many things blamed on guns.

Then, foreign-owned Smith & Wesson sold its soul* to Impeached President Bill Clinton & Co. and I decided to rid myself of anything I owned that was produced by that evil corporation. In my sock drawer, I found my once-trusty Model 19.

I was about to throw it in the recycle bin with my cans when a thought occurred to me- why not use it for testing purposes? I'll watch it and see if it causes any violence.

Well, a month passed and nothing, but of course, I had to sleep, use the bathroom, and go to work- it could have caused violence during any one of those times when I wasn't watching. So then I thought, what if I harness the Power of the Internet?

So, I pointed my camera at it so anyone connected to the Internet can now help me watch for signs of violence.

Of course, if anyone sees anything even remotely suspicious or out of the ordinary, please me at once.


49 posted on 05/02/2013 4:31:27 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: bigheadfred

Well said. I almost said “a penny for your thoughts” to a neighbor today.


50 posted on 05/02/2013 4:32:00 PM PDT by null and void ("Och, aye 'twas a huge beastie the shape of a haggis but the size o' the football pitch at Dunkeld!")
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