Skip to comments.Rush Limbaugh and the Need for Spine
Posted on 05/02/2013 3:32:23 AM PDT by iowamark
The Politico is reporting (read: lets wait for a second source to confirm it) that the RNC, well, [t]he Republican National Committee has chosen a Karl Rove-linked voter data project called Liberty Works to help it compete with Democrats in the digital arena. Liberty Works will team up with Data Trust, whose chairman of the board is former RNC Chairman Mike Duncan, committee spokeswoman Kirsten Kukowski confirmed to Politico.
This is deeply troubling, if accurate, because I maintain the GOP must distance itself from the Bush administration players to start being successful again. Further, for all of Karl Roves fine attributes, he is also largely a direct mail guy who learned at the foot of Lee Atwater and never really learned anything after Atwater passed. Im just not sure, after the 2012 race, that this is a wise investment. Direct mail guys believe the data is the value and what Team Obama discovered is that the tools to analyze the data are the value.
This concerns me. As a friend said on twitter yesterday, the GOP motto for fixing itself seems to be incest is best.
And this whole thing, excepting the incest crack, gets me to Rush Limbaugh.
I keep hearing people say Rush Limbaugh is a detriment to the Republican Party, holding it back, and if we cannot move beyond him we will never win again. Frank Luntz and S. E. Cupp both have taken after Limbaugh lately and they are not alone.
The way I see it, Rush Limbaugh is a fighter. The guys who have taken to actually fighting on values like Rush does, i.e. Ted Cruz, Mike Lee, and Rand Paul have been putting all the points on the board. Theyre keeping the fight against Obamacare alive just as the GOP is trying to cave and public animosity for the law grows. But for those three, wed have gun control legislation. On the House side, the Republican Fight Club of Congressmen Amash, Bridenstine, Broun, Gohmert, Huelskamp, Jones, Massie, Pearce, Salmon, and Yoho have been the only ones leading the fight to stop the Republicans from expanding government at a time distrust of government is a commonly held sentiment.
Limbaugh gives voice to them and those who listen to Limbaugh encourage them. The guys with the spine are the ones we should be supporting and they are the ones Rush Limbaugh supports. But there is something else, which goes full circle to Karl Rove controlling the data.
If you disagree with Rush Limbaugh, he may note that disagreement on the air. You might get some angry constituents calling your office. But thats it. Hell be right, youll be wrong, but life will go on.
If you disagree with the other side of the GOP, though, theyll plant stories about you in the New York Times, make sure the editorial board of the Wall Street Journal attacks you, threaten donors and demand they withhold money from you, take away your committee positions, shut down all your legislative initiatives, etc. Thats why the GOP should not put data in Karl Roves hands.
The establishment has a worse track record on candidates that those whod side with Rush Limbaugh. They have an even worse track record on policy (howd steel tariffs in Pennsylvania work out?). And if you do not tow their line that often loses, they will punish you in ways Rush Limbaugh never would or even could.
But these guys would have you believe it is Rush Limbaugh on the outside, and Senators Cruz, Lee, and Paul and Congressmen Amash, Bridenstine, Broun, Gohmert, Huelskamp, Jones, Massie, Pearce, Salmon, and Yoho who are the ones holding us back. Only among Washington Republicans is that fantasy a reality.
I think the RNC is making a big mistake. The one hope is that conservative super PACs will respond in kind or Karl Rove and the RNC can make clear now that they will not treat the data and the tools to analyze the data as treasure, denying it to the rest of the Republican coalition they just happen to disagree with or cannot control.
Because of Rove and all the Bushbots I no longer can relate to the ruling republican elites, they are all part of the New World Order socialist movement. They in fact assisted the democrats in passing the HC law and that is why they want it to move forward and not repeal it, they are all nothing but little dictators.
We have already seen our last free election and it was in 2008.
Like the democrats, the Republicans are searching for a direction. They can either troll for the “moderate” voters and attract more “centrist” democrats that are concerned with the economy of just reposition themselves for the “conservative” voters with base issues.
History has shown if you want to win, you have to activate the base. They did this in the 80’s and when W was elected and back in 2010.. The democrats did this in 06, 08 and in 2012.
If they ignore the base on issues like immigration and the 2nd amendment, they’ll lose big time.
Either way, they need to get cracking.
The GOP-e does not want the Reagan base. They're targeting women, gays, and illegals, hoping that a "compassionate" socialist lite will somehow outperform Democrat Marxism at the polls.
In the Republican establishment's collective mind, Obama is 100% correct about Bibles, guns, and bitter clingers.
It is people like on the national level Rush Limbaugh, Col. Allen West, Sarah Palin, Dr. Ben Carson whom have a backbone that are impeding the democratic, socialistic utopian dreams.
On the local level, there is one guy locally whom is going after the local politicians and it is ticking the politicians off. two politicians have had to resign because they either were serving as a fire chief and school board member plus a city council - many of the issues that were passed are now in doubt because of the legality of the dual holding positions of council members.
The Republican Party is over with. Done. They’ve gone leftist and there’s no turning back.
Maybe someday a new party will spring up and real conservatiives will speak out. Maybe after the economic collapse.
No, he’s an entertainer. He doesnt fight anyone, he doesnt take risks.
He runs a very successful business that depends on him telling a small % of Americans what they want to hear.('McCain ansd Romney will beat Obama in landslides'). And I sometimes find him entertaining.
By the way, have you called Lifelock yet ??, Identity theft is on the rise.
Limbaugh and Rubio are a perfect example. They’re friends, so Rush is loyal to a friend, America be damned.
At least they’re friends (according to Rush), mouthpieces like Coulter sell out for the mere hope of invitations to party with celeb/pols.
They’ve already alienated huge swaths of their base.
Care to source those quotes? I never heard him say either of those things. His support for them was tepid at best.
Recall Rush's love affair with the Bush's because both of them invited him to stay as a WH guest.
Not just Rubio but how he propped up Ryan in 2010 and 2011 into something special. Ryan sucked up to him too.
Like I said, Rush doesnt fight anyone. He called Fluke a ‘slut’ because that is what his listeners wanted to hear and to get media coverage and that means $$$. It was a great idea for him.
That sure didnt hurt Fluke, in fact is was a Christmas to her.
Talk radio giant Rush Limbaugh says that Sen. John McCain will score a stunning upset over Sen. Barack Obama and win the presidency on Nov. 4
[Rush] Limbaugh Predicts McCain Victory (NewsMax ^ | October 31, 2008 | David A. Patten, FR thread link )
I almost forgot this one :
We Could See a McCain Landslide (Rushlimbaugh.com, August 12, 2008)
The enthusiasm that got people out in 2010, I'm seeing at every Mitt Romney rally. Romney's drawing crowds of 20,000, 25,000, 30,000, 15,000. The enthusiasm that we all saw in 2010 is there. The same issues that existed in 2010 exist today. There hasn't been anything that's gotten better.
Rush: Everything But Polls Say Romney Landslide (Newmake Monday, 05 Nov 2012)
DONT DOUBT ME!
This has allowed all sorts of things to be lumped into "disabilities," and the slide continues at warp speed.
Thank you. I had forgotten or missed those.
Thank you, your request gave me an excuse to post them again.
The GOP has a lot of potential, but Karl Rove represents the problem.
Sorry to say it but Bush represents the problem (to an extent) though he wasn’t all bad.
McCain represents the problem. And Romney represented the problem.
We need more Tea Party. And the GOP had better start getting its act together.
There is an election coming up.
Exactly correct, and now he is an amnesty enabler covering Rubios butt. I am finished with Rush, if he is on the radio or TV (gretta) I am changing the channel.
The only time I listen to Rush now is if I am driving while the DC radio station WMAL does the Rush weekly replay version on Sunday's and I listen to it a few minutes to see if I agree (and maybe laugh) or if he is FOS. But I get bored fast.
Rush has a trick he does to take both sides of certain arguments so he can later claim he was right.
He is against amnesty but for Rubio.
I used to listen to him every day that I could but I cannot sit through that now.
by the way, have you signed up for Life-lock yet? Identity theft is on the rise.
Yup, he is as phoney as a $3 bill. He went total RINO after his first sleep over at the White House. I still turned him in after that but he was not the same, now he is unbearable to listen too.
What was clever about this was that it sounded like he was saying Romney would beat Obama but it also said he might lose.
If Romney won Rush would say ‘I told you the polls were rigged’
But when Romney lost he could say ‘I told you that they were suppressing GOP voter turnout’
After Romney lost he flipped 180 degrees ‘Romney lost because the country is taken over by moochers’
But he also says :”Conservative arguments (any opinion Rush has) always win when tried”
His messages always contradict each other then he always claims he was right
‘I told you folks...’
‘Have you ordered Lifelock yet...?”
It's true. Just ask President Goldwater.
A Rush-bot defense I have gotten here is :
‘Rush WAS right, Romney should have won. He cant do anything about stupid voters’
But he wasnt saying those voters were stupid when he told his listeners that Mitt and Mccain would win.
Obviously his claim is silly but my bigger point is he also tells his listeners the exactly opposite, that the GOP lost because the country is taken over by moochers.
So he is always right.
Would the average moocher (single Mom) agree with Rush to have her kid's food stamps and free schoool lunches cut while cutting Rush's taxes to make HER life better? There is little chance that they would like that idea no matter how many times Rush says he is right.
Rush's premise that 'his' arguments always win are self promoting, understand that and you understand Rush
“Limbaugh and Rubio are a perfect example. Theyre friends, so Rush is loyal to a friend, America be damned.”
Oh, dear! Don’t bring up any thing about Rush/Rubio...some around here will lose their freakin’ minds and accuse you of all sorts of misdeads!
WE are NEVER going to solve the problems within the GOP...the blind REPUBLICAN loyalists at all costs won’t allow it! This kind, like Rush, is PART OF THE PROBLEM!
When Karl Rove is in the middle of something, it’s about MONEY and Grover Norquist isn’t far behind. They’re pretty much a packaged deal.
Grover Norquist: A Republican who acts like a Democrat?
No reinforcements are needed.
I’m not the enemy.
The bill is the enemy.
Have a nice day.
If you are sick of libs, why do you use the totally lib mantra that Rush is, "just an entertainer?" I like Rush and do not expect him to be right all the time but he truly is a God send to us. No one else started the boom of conservative talk radio. Somehow I think it may be possible that you and the few who dismiss him are just trying to get your few threads of fame on FR.
Marco Rubio is my Senator and I am tatally disappointed in him for voting to confirm the treasonous John Kerry as SOS.
that's OK, I need a few laughs.
If they didnt do that I would feel irrelevent
Because it allows me to show a number of examples that illustrate how Rush is just an entertainer, as above.
Let me guess: Rush says that it is a liberal mantra to characterize him as 'just an entertainer' so it must be so, because Rush says he is always right.
Got news for you, the libs don't call Rush an entertainer, they call him ‘spiritual leader of the GOP’ This is the quality of info Rush feeds you, completely wrong.
Rush's business only depends on listeners who are not as smart as he is. And there are obviously plenty of them as he is very successful $$$$.
Correction : Rush is a 'totally self serving' entertainer. Sorry Rush HA-HA!
The RNC seems to be looking for how best to become irrelevant. They have tin ears at best, or are totally DEAF! The only other explanation is that they want to stick their middle finger in our faces.
Rush was in the right place at the right time. There used to be something called the fairness doctrine that was eliminated in the late 80s'. Prior to that having a radio talk show like Rush has was not possible/practicable. So Rush came a long at the prefect time, right after the repeal of the fairness D. Plus he had no competition since the fairness doctrine had made talk radio impossible. Rush like Microsoft was created by federal government. Had there been no "Fairness Doctrine" Rush would not have been a big deal since talk radio would have been common place in the late 80's. Rush a man of modest talent and gigantic ego just got lucky.
Re Microsoft, when the federal government select the IBM PC as its' standard for desktop computers Bill Gates like Rush won the lotto. Their were better OSs around and better PC around but gov wanted (and needed) a standard so better or worst DOS and the IBM PC was it.
sickoflibs probably calls Rush an entertainer because Duh he is!
Since there are so few of you Rush haters on FR, I guess the rest of us are dumb. Thank God there is only a small number of you self-absorbed freaks.
” Limbaugh and Rubio are a perfect example. Theyre friends, so Rush is loyal to a friend, America be damned.”
I started listening to Rush in the late 80’s, when he was a 50,000/yr local radio guy in Sacramento, CA. After 20+ years
I’m pretty much done.
” Rush has a trick he does to take both sides of certain arguments so he can later claim he was right.
He is against amnesty but for Rubio.”
Rubio finished it for me.
“Since there are so few of you Rush haters on FR, I guess the rest of us are dumb. Thank God there is only a small number of you self-absorbed freaks.”
More liberal tactics...the same response when any of us criticize Obama...’IT’S HATE!!’.
Don’t step on the GOP GAWDS! No criticism allowed!!!
Like I said, LIBERAL tactics!
pointing out Rush's flaws == self absorbed ???
Did Rush tell you that? Do you ever question stuff like this he says that makes no sense?
I know he says he's always right so he must be right.
Its funny that you perceive that we non-(Rush)-cultists are so few in number because we seems to be outnumbering you on this thread.
Funny how that works.
Did Rush tell you to say that?
So much hate....so little time : )
BDSers, PDSers, RDSers.......etc
Cultists are always entertaining, They hang onto their favorite public figure like a three year hangs onto Mom.
Sometimes dealing with these people who blindly follow political personalities regardless of the facts you throw at them reminds me of rock concerts with teen age girls throwing their panties on stage. It’s embarrassing! The only thing missing is a stadium full of pot smoke.
Yeah, take me.....I only hate the 3 R’s....
But I could LEARN to hate others, like Rand....
Like I said “so much hate...so little time”
” Sometimes dealing with these people who blindly follow political personalities regardless of the facts you throw at them “
For me, there are maybe 2 or 3 dozen long time FReepers who never seem to get fooled by the politicians
4 that immediately come to mind.
These FReepers never fail to do their homework/research.
Some get flamed more than others : )
I’ll reserve comment )
” Ill reserve comment )”
Why? You must be for Obama : )
Well some seem to think so! ;)
I've no truck for the GOP-e. But can you name one Republican Congressman or Senator who voted for Obamacare?
Okie01 I can’t name one republican that voted for the health care bill.
That being said I would like to point something out to you, the house and senate rules require for a bill to NOT be read into the record that no one objects. Even one senator or one congressman object and the whole bill MUST be read in to the record.
Republicans were order by their leaders to not object so the bill would not have to be read in to the record. That allowed them to pass the bill because no one knew what was in the bill, by no one I mean the public. The republican leadership knew what was in the bill long before it was voted on. How do I know this, well remember the NRA provision that was thoughtfully put in the bill by some conservative member?
Thank you for your time.
After being burned by GWB over a decade ago and Rush back then by partial extension I always start out them in the skeptical mode.
I rate them inversely by BS and what sounds like BS.
Rubios first alarm was on a Sunday show saying that illegals are natural conservatives, and Rand said similar to that afterward.
But Rubio’s big lies were that they
1) would all wait >10 years,
2) that they will be on back of line compared to those waiting to come here
3) They will get no government benefits (the whopper)
When they lie to me I write them off.
BTW : I was the first here to warn that Ryan was a phony and that Palin wouldnt run, this is my Rushbo ego trip :)
And the fact you did everything imaginable to sow dissension among conservatives and spread the standard MSNBC line on Palin was a big plus for us all.
And thanks in small part to your/those like you’s ongoing efforts across conservativedom, we were all able to later come together as a unit and elect the finest conservative since Reagan to compete against the communist.
Well. It is the documented truth...except the coming together part. Your PDS is legendary. Then again I’m a cultist so nevermind.
I knew Bush was a fraud when he praised Ted Kennedy and signed the “No Teachers Union Left Unfunded” 2002. I had him pegged early : )
“See you at the signing” you “vigilantes!”