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How Similar Are Human and Ape Genes? )article)
Institute for Creation Research ^ | May 2013 | Jeffrey Tomkins, Ph.D.

Posted on 05/02/2013 7:45:45 AM PDT by fishtank

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To: allmendream
The less educated someone is the more likely it is that they are a creationist.

Of course, you have irrefutable proof of this. Please enlighten us.

21 posted on 05/02/2013 9:03:12 AM PDT by smokingfrog ( ==> sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: smokingfrog

“educated”, defined as “length of time immersed in a particular worldview”.

Of course, the more “educated” someone is, by the above definition, the more likely they are to adopt the worldview they’re immersed in.

Proves nothing except for an attempted “bullying”.
You get this all the time from the left - “all the smart people believe xyz”.


22 posted on 05/02/2013 9:05:21 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: smokingfrog

23 posted on 05/02/2013 9:07:26 AM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: allmendream

try again


24 posted on 05/02/2013 9:13:24 AM PDT by smokingfrog ( ==> sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: MrB

How dare you insult an ape by comparing them to members of congress. I demand an apology!


25 posted on 05/02/2013 9:13:40 AM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: fishtank
“Of the genes that are found in both species, evolutionists have only reported on the sub-segments of the genes that are similar. Because of these highly selective studies, we really don’t know how similar human genes are to ape genes because non-similar data were discarded.”

First they allege a conspiracy - apparently they think the sequences of genes are only published IF they are very similar to chimpanzees.

“First, it looks as though all apes and monkeys contain significant portions of their genes that are very similar to parts of human genes. However, the primate genes also contain significant sections that are specific to their kind (e.g., chimp, gorilla, orangutan, etc.) that are not found in human genes.”

This is the meat of their claim - for which they provide ZERO evidence.

So they make up a conspiracy theory - and then make an assertion backed up with NOTHING.

A comparative analysis of similarity in DNA, at either the gene, or genome level - will show that among the apes - humans and chimpanzees are the most similar. Both humans and chimpanzees are more similar in DNA than either is to a gorilla.

As far as species go - would you expect a mouse and a rat to be more similar or less similar to each other in DNA than a human and a chimpanzee are?

26 posted on 05/02/2013 9:13:47 AM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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Professors' Political Identification, 2010-11, by Sector
  Far left Liberal Middle of the Road Conservative Far right
Public universities 13.3% 52.4% 24.7% 9.2% 0.3%
Private universities 16.2% 51.5% 22.3% 9.8% 0.1%
Public, 4-year colleges 8.8% 47.1% 28.7% 14.7% 0.7%
Private, 4-year, nonsectarian 14.0% 54.6% 22.6% 8.6% 0.3%
Private, 4-year, Catholic 7.8% 48.0% 30.7% 13.3% 0.3%
Private, 4-year, other religious 7.4% 40.0% 29.1% 23.0% 0.6%

27 posted on 05/02/2013 9:24:02 AM PDT by Heartlander (Practice makes perfect if you mess up a few letters)
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To: allmendream
Well good for him. He is either stupid or he is convinced his likely audience is.

What is your PhD in again? We never did get around to your own qualifications in that last thread.

The less educated someone is the more likely it is that they are a creationist.

"One hundred quatloos the newcomer doesn't have a PhD."

28 posted on 05/02/2013 9:24:33 AM PDT by dartuser
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I could easily claim one. But unlike some I am not inherently dishonest. I have a Masters Degree in Molecular Biology.

Why, do you decide the truth of a statement by the qualifications of the person making it?

If so then evolution is almost certainly true by that criteria as there are very few biologists who do not accept the theory of evolution through natural selection of genetic variation.

29 posted on 05/02/2013 9:26:33 AM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: dartuser

He’s heavily emotionally invested in denying creationism, though, for some reason.


30 posted on 05/02/2013 9:26:42 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: MrB
You are heavily emotionally invested in denying astronomy, biology, physics, paleontology, archeology and anything else that is in conflict with your religiously derived timeline.
31 posted on 05/02/2013 9:28:57 AM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: allmendream

Actually, there’s evidence in all those fields that show that long timelines are either not necessary or contradictory to observation.


32 posted on 05/02/2013 9:30:21 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: MrB
The overwhelming evidence in all those fields show that long timelines exist.

Light from a star 100,000 light years away isn't evidence that the universe is only a few thousand years old.

DNA analysis shows overwhelming evidence for the common descent of species.

The evidence of the fossil record is not compatible with all species being alive contemporaneously.

Etc, etc.

But an a priori and emotional investment to useless creationism makes one unable to accept any evidence that contradicts. So, like the authors of this thread, one must allege a conspiracy theory to explain away the evidence.

33 posted on 05/02/2013 9:36:35 AM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: dartuser; allmendream

I have an earned PhD in mechanical engineering from Texas A&M, and I am gainfully employed in my discipline.

All the creation scientists I know and/or quote have earned PhDs or MS degrees from established institutions.

I’ve said this before.

I don’t repeat it too often, only when necessary.


34 posted on 05/02/2013 9:39:54 AM PDT by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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To: allmendream
Why, do you decide the truth of a statement by the qualifications of the person making it?

The less educated someone is the more likely it is that they are a creationist.

35 posted on 05/02/2013 9:44:03 AM PDT by marron
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To: allmendream

I see your assumptions behind all your supposed refutations.
You don’t.


36 posted on 05/02/2013 9:45:06 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: allmendream

Wow. Only 29% of post graduates don’t believe God was involved with creation. So 71% of post graduates believe God was involved in the creation of the universe. That’s a very large majority of the smartest of the smart who believe in God being the source of all things. Interesting.


37 posted on 05/02/2013 10:10:19 AM PDT by weston (As far as I'm concerned, it's Christ or nothing!)
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To: fishtank
So would you expect a comparison of rat and mouse DNA to show...

a) mice and rats are MORE similar to each other than a human and a chimp are in DNA.

b) mice and rats are LESS similar to each other than a human and a chimp are in DNA.

c) mice and rats are about the same amount of similarity to each other in DNA than a human and a chimp are similar to each other.

Without looking it up. What factor would you ascribe to your estimate (if answer a or b)? What would you base your estimate upon?

Do you think mice and rats belong to the same “kind” of animal?

38 posted on 05/02/2013 10:10:25 AM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: weston

Absolutely. Most scientists in America are (like myself) people of faith in God.

Despite this it seems that many creationists cannot make an argument against science without making it an argument against atheism.


39 posted on 05/02/2013 10:11:33 AM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: allmendream

Backed up with nothing? It is hard not to question your honesty as the sources cited are so hard to miss. The published research cited is freely available.

http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/arj/v6/n1/human-chimp-chromosome

Materials, methods, sources, processes all documented.


40 posted on 05/02/2013 10:19:46 AM PDT by unlearner (You will never come to know that which you do not know until you first know that you do not know it.)
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