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Leave It To The New York Times To Gin Up A Downside To The American Oil Boom
Forbes ^ | April 29, 2013 | Christopher Helman,

Posted on 05/02/2013 8:31:48 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

In a clunky op-ed in the Sunday New York Times called “The Dark Side of Energy Independence,” Benjamin Alter and Edward Fishman, staffers at Foreign Affairs, see all sorts of negative geopolitical effects resulting from an American oil industry that has become so good at extracting fossil fuels that we’re set to enjoy energy independence from the the rest of the world.

In their eyes, America won’t get to enjoy this energy independence at all. Rather we will suffer the consequences of it. “That’s because America’s oil and gas bonanza will drive down global energy prices, undercutting the foundations of petrostates everywhere,” they write.

Alter and Fishman cite the head of commodities research at Merrill Lynch who has suggested that oil could fall to $50 a barrel within two years. This price is so low, they write, that it would destabilize already unstable autocracies like Bahrain and Saudi Arabia and even Russia, all of which rely on petrodollars to pay off restive elements and pacify the masses.....

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: energy; oil; russia; shale
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To: American in Israel
No need to drive down oil prices, just export for a dime a barrel less than Saudi Arabia.

Do you believe the Saudi oil price is fixed at a certain dollar amount? Contract delivery prices vary by the hour.

41 posted on 05/02/2013 10:19:30 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: thackney

Doyou belive that the Saudi’s do not fix the price of oil by their published production quota? They openly state when the price is getting too low that they will reduce production to jack the price back up, and the market obliges. If the US could supply the same production they could say that they will produce zero and the market would not oblige.

The price of oil is set by its availability now, because of monopoly. A healthy market price is set by demand. Seems the same but it actually is quite different. If it was set by demand, the price of oil would hover just over the price of production. It does not.


42 posted on 05/02/2013 10:45:37 AM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: C. Edmund Wright
Funny!
Except they made some sense. In general the nations they were talking about already are unstable, repressive regimes. As their only source of money goes away, they will lash out (or fall). There are plenty of cases in history where a country that used to have monopoly on a commodity suddenly falls when the good or service demand goes away.

But the issue is that they are going to fall one way or another. Oil rich nations tend to be distorted in that oil becomes the main, or only, pillar of their economy. That weakens the state in the long term. Like a company town when the factory closes, the oil country dies. They don't have any other source of income to transition to.

For the US, long term, this can be a good thing. If we have someone who actually does long term strategy (which I doubt), it would place us in a stronger position.

43 posted on 05/02/2013 10:47:28 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: abb
The risk is in that transition. The moneyed elite will not go quietly, and will try to take back the monopoly.

They have been exporting their hotheads to us now, and they are already getting desperate on their declining oil supply. As they get more desperate, they will fund more terrorism to keep the heat off themselves.

Again, this doesn't have to be a bad thing. We just need to be prepared to counter the destabilizing effect.

44 posted on 05/02/2013 10:50:33 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: redgolum

They did not make sense. They spouted some correct facts, but connected dots that do not connect, took a vacuous view of cause and effect, and filtered everything through moral equivalency.

In other words, liberal bullshit.


45 posted on 05/02/2013 10:57:26 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: American in Israel
Doyou belive that the Saudi’s do not fix the price of oil by their published production quota?

The price of oil is not fixed, it constantly moves. The OPEC production ceilings quit being issued in 2007. They still talk about a target, but do not hold/penalize countries to a set amount.

They openly state when the price is getting too low that they will reduce production to jack the price back up, and the market obliges.

I would say the market responds to change in supply and demand, basic econ 101.

If the US could supply the same production they could say that they will produce zero and the market would not oblige.

The US has constantly supplied all it could and the market reflects that. While we don't shut down production from established wells, when the price is high we drill more, and when it is low we drill. Wells constantly decline in production so there is a lot of moving targets.

The price of oil is set by its availability now, because of monopoly.

The price of oil is not set, it constantly responds to constantly changing market conditions. What price would you base your -10¢? The moment you offer oil for sale at below market prices, you change the market price.

A healthy market price is set by demand.

All commodity markets have their price set by supply and demand. A monopoly in that market is part of the supply, regardless if you like it or not.

46 posted on 05/02/2013 11:00:35 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: thackney
Arguing with the obtuse is a exercise in frustration.

Go for it, believe what you want, what I have to say means nothing to you anyway.

47 posted on 05/02/2013 11:21:15 AM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: American in Israel

You have a good day.

Cheers


48 posted on 05/02/2013 12:00:50 PM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“At a time of desperate steel shortage, we cannot afford to permit the expansion of a steel company which produces too much, because it might throw out of business the companies which produce too little, thus creating an unbalanced economy which...”

Insert oil for steel and it’s right off the pages of Atlas Shrugged. Who wants to bet money the government will latch onto this news story as a justification to put even more limits on oil drilling?


49 posted on 05/02/2013 1:28:03 PM PDT by RWB Patriot ("My ability is a value that must be purchased and I don't recognize anyone's need as a claim on me.")
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