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GOP could take Senate in 2014 if it avoids self-destructive candidates (Tokyo Rove knows best...)
The Hill ^ | 5/2/13 | Jonathan Easley

Posted on 05/02/2013 9:02:25 AM PDT by jimbo123

Former Bush adviser and GOP strategist Karl Rove says Republicans have a good chance of taking the Senate from Democrats in 2014 if they avoid nominating the types of candidates who stumbled badly in once competitive 2012 races.

“Republican success will depend on having quality Senate candidates,” Rove wrote in The Wall Street Journal on Thursday. “Todd Akin and Richard Mourdock self-destructed last fall, and other candidates squandered important opportunities.”

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KEYWORDS: 2014midterms; tokyorove
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The GOP-e pickpocket speaks...
1 posted on 05/02/2013 9:02:25 AM PDT by jimbo123
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To: jimbo123

I’d say Karl Rove engineered the biggest flop of all: Mitt Romney!


2 posted on 05/02/2013 9:04:35 AM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: jimbo123

Based on all models, it is almost impossible that the Republicans don’t take the Senate. However with Republicans failure is always possible.


3 posted on 05/02/2013 9:04:56 AM PDT by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: jimbo123

I have stated on FreeRepublic what I thought should be done to Karl Rove and got a 1 week ban for it. Needless to say I HOPE NOTHING good happens to Rove.


4 posted on 05/02/2013 9:06:54 AM PDT by US Navy Vet (Go Packers! Go Rockies! Go Boston Bruins! See, I'm "Diverse"!)
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To: jimbo123

good advice, we will avoid nominating anyone like Bush, Dole, McCain, or Romney!

thanks for reminding us!


5 posted on 05/02/2013 9:07:35 AM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama lied .. the economy died.)
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To: jimbo123

Shut up, Chubby. After last November’s debacle, who in their right mind would take advice from a loser like you.


6 posted on 05/02/2013 9:08:51 AM PDT by txrefugee
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To: jimbo123

Rove attacked Gov. Palin to THROW Election 2008 for
his loser candidate in 2012.

The result: Obama1 and Obama2.

Tokyo Rove owes every American an apology, and
then he should return the hundreds of millions he stole.


7 posted on 05/02/2013 9:09:13 AM PDT by Diogenesis (De Oppresso Liber)
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To: jimbo123

more like the bag man and money launderer for the GOP-e mob.


8 posted on 05/02/2013 9:10:18 AM PDT by dadfly
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To: Jim Robinson

Yup. And while Rove didn’t throw his weight behind ALL the losers in the 2012 election cycle, pretty much everyone he got behind lost. It’s long past time for the GOP to put him out to pasture.


9 posted on 05/02/2013 9:10:59 AM PDT by ZirconEncrustedTweezers (Some people take there grammar way to seriously.)
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To: jimbo123

Rove hawked Bush, McCain, Romney...

Lets recall Bush couldn’t beat the likes of Gore or Kerry by more than a very slim margin.

Now he knows exactly how to win the Senate. And his prescription sounds a lot like running McCain candidates.

Is there a place where Republicans can go and unsubscribe to Carl Rove’s mouth.


10 posted on 05/02/2013 9:11:07 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Leftist, Progressive, Socialist, Communist, fundamentalist Islamic policies, the death of a nation.)
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To: jimbo123

Like Connie Mack, Tommy Thompson, and George Allen? Oh, he’s not talking about those failed candidates. He’s only cherry picking the ones HE didn’t like. He wants more Charlie Crists, Bob Bennett’s and Dewhursts. Those guys can’t lose!


11 posted on 05/02/2013 9:13:39 AM PDT by ilgipper (The lesson for the GOP is simple - don't let the opposition define you)
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To: US Navy Vet

Rove is an angry, misogynist flim-flam man. He has lost most of his credibility with the donors whose money he squandered with this PAC and his consulting gigs are drying up. So this is Tokyo Rove’s last stand.


12 posted on 05/02/2013 9:14:01 AM PDT by jimbo123
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To: Jim from C-Town
Based on all models, it is almost impossible that the Republicans don’t take the Senate. However with Republicans failure is always possible.

Unfortunately, we have seen too many failed Senate candidates the past two cycles. Even in 2010, we left 2-3 seats in Dem hands we should have won. Our side is having terrible failure in state-wide elections right now, at least for national seats. We are simply getting beat in media and grassroots when we account for the densely populated centers. We need some new talent to surface quickly in campaign strategists.

13 posted on 05/02/2013 9:16:10 AM PDT by ilgipper (The lesson for the GOP is simple - don't let the opposition define you)
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To: jimbo123

Rove is the GOP version of Bob Shrum.


14 posted on 05/02/2013 9:16:45 AM PDT by N. Theknow (Kennedys=Can't drive, can't ski, can't fly, can't skipper a boat, but they know what's best for you.)
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To: DoughtyOne
Is there a place where Republicans can go and unsubscribe to Carl Rove’s mouth?

So glad you asked: There is indeed:


15 posted on 05/02/2013 9:16:51 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: jimbo123

He must mean candidates like Romney,

Pray for America to Wake Up


16 posted on 05/02/2013 9:16:54 AM PDT by bray (Surviving to spite Obama)
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To: jimbo123

You’re so smart. You know everything. Why don’t you try running for an office Karl?


17 posted on 05/02/2013 9:18:02 AM PDT by DManA
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To: C. Edmund Wright

No linkie dinkie? LOL


18 posted on 05/02/2013 9:18:11 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Leftist, Progressive, Socialist, Communist, fundamentalist Islamic policies, the death of a nation.)
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To: jimbo123

“GOP strategist Karl Rove says Republicans have a good chance of taking the Senate from Democrats in 2014 if they avoid nominating the types of candidates who stumbled badly in once competitive 2012 races.”

I assume Fat Boy is talking about his own chosen candidates. I wouldn’t want this blow-hard handling my campaign money.


19 posted on 05/02/2013 9:20:22 AM PDT by SharpRightTurn (White, black, and red all over--America's affirmative action, metrosexual president.)
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To: jimbo123
“Todd Akin and Richard Mourdock self-destructed last fall, and other candidates squandered important opportunities.”

Never mind the fact that Kapo Karl and his groin leeches were happily cheering it on.

Moderates are nothing but lying, manipulative, bottom feeding, scum. They'll happily hand a race to the democrats just to say "we told you so" and to punish conservatives.

Here in Michigan it was a "moderate" pro GOPe blogger who ran to his liberal friends in the media when RNC committeeman, Dave Agema's "bigoted" comments on gays weren't getting enough attention. Fortunately the MI grassroots conservatives have built considerable power and Agema won't be forced out.
20 posted on 05/02/2013 9:20:57 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: jimbo123

Karl, simple question.

how many of ‘your’ candidates’ won v. the TEA Party’s in 2012?


21 posted on 05/02/2013 9:21:10 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi)
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To: dadfly
more like the bag man and money launderer for the GOP-e mob.

Funny how now all we hear from Rove is how he's not taking kickbacks from any of the anti-conservitive, pro-RINO, amnesty-pimping initiatives he's promoting. LOL!
22 posted on 05/02/2013 9:21:21 AM PDT by jimbo123
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To: DoughtyOne

what was I thinking?
www.FireKarlRove.com


23 posted on 05/02/2013 9:23:23 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: cripplecreek

Besides, Akin was not Tea Party anyway. Some folks assumed he was because Rove didn’t like him, but he wasn’t. He was a six term congressional incumbent - who was winner of the primary on the strength of McCaskill’s money and voters crossing over.....


24 posted on 05/02/2013 9:25:43 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: jimbo123
Dear Karl:

I have no interest whatsoever in your opinions about political strategy.

Not because you are a moderate Republican. I can get along reasonably well with some moderate Republicans.

No. The reason why I have no interest in your opinions is that you are a loser.

So go take your whiteboard, coat it well with Vaseline, and insert it somewhere where it will no longer be visible.Because loser.

25 posted on 05/02/2013 9:26:30 AM PDT by Notary Sojac (I call it messin' with the kid.)
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To: ilgipper
Unfortunately, we have seen too many failed Senate candidates the past two cycles. Even in 2010, we left 2-3 seats in Dem hands we should have won. Our side is having terrible failure in state-wide elections right now, at least for national seats. We are simply getting beat in media and grassroots when we account for the densely populated centers. We need some new talent to surface quickly in campaign strategists.

Republican primary voters throw away too many seats on bad candidates. Candidates that either have no chance to win, or are liable to self-destruct. Christine O'Donnell, Sharon Angle, Todd Akin, etc, were all rotten candidates that should never have been nominated. Heck this isn't just a statewide Senate thing either. Supposedly conservative values voters in South Carolina 1 just marched off to the polls and nominated that lying tool Mark Sanford for the upcoming special election. That can't be blamed on the "establishment" either, they weren't backing him. In fact, some people are now complaining that the RNC should have stepped in to the primary to help make sure he wasn't nominated by the voters. So the national party is damned if they do, damned if they don't.

We need to be nominating the most conservative candidate that CAN win. Deeply flawed joke candidates like O'Donnell should never, ever be nominated. Even if every Republican had dutifully lined up behind O'Donnell (which I might add, she didn't do when she ran an write-in campaign years earlier) she'd have had NO chance to win in Delaware.

26 posted on 05/02/2013 9:28:53 AM PDT by Longbow1969
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To: NormsRevenge

You know, these supposed brain trusts have studied politics for decades, and yet they continually miss one of the largest points to be made concerning Conservative candidates.

The last most successful and beloved president of the Republican party, was Ronald Reagan, who ran on a Conservative platform.

When we contrast ourselves with Liberalism/Progressivism with pride and fervor, we win.


27 posted on 05/02/2013 9:29:17 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Leftist, Progressive, Socialist, Communist, fundamentalist Islamic policies, the death of a nation.)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

I don’t really care if he was tea party. Kapo Karl and his little groin leeches happily kept the issue alive..... just like he’s doing now with his comments.

If he were a German Jew in 1940 he’s be keeping tabs on his fellow inmates for the concentration camp commander.


28 posted on 05/02/2013 9:30:56 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

Thanks. I’ll give them a visit.


29 posted on 05/02/2013 9:32:38 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Leftist, Progressive, Socialist, Communist, fundamentalist Islamic policies, the death of a nation.)
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To: jimbo123

I’m not sure what’s worse, liberals who won’t shut up or their GOP-E enablers who won’t shut up.

I can’t help but think that when the time comes and Americans at long last run out of patience, the pushback is going to be harder than anyone can imagine.


30 posted on 05/02/2013 9:32:56 AM PDT by Colonel_Flagg (Blather. Reince. Repeat.)
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To: jimbo123

Is it time already to hear that we should only nominate candidates who “can win”?


31 posted on 05/02/2013 9:35:13 AM PDT by Personal Responsibility (In times of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act - Orwell)
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To: jimbo123

We won’t be listening to Rove. Some of his favorites are going down this election cycle, Linseed Graham among them.

This election is about more than making Dirty Harry the minority leader. They’re about clearing out the traitors too. Taxby Chambliss is hitting the retirement home. We can replace him with one of ours, Paul Broun. Mace seems to be building the groundwork for deposing Graham. Lenard could take down Alexander with enough support.
The other GOP replacement opportunities don’t spring to mind right away. Cochrane in Mississippi. And then is it Johanns (retiring) and Enzi? We need good candidates to take those seats for conservatives.

We need six seats to flip the senate, and we’re unlikely to lose any since Collins is safe and the bugging scandal has discredited Rats in Kentucky.
Two seats will pretty much guaranteed flip to us with relatively moderate Repubs, Rounds in South Dakota, and Capito in West Virginia.
We need four more. A true conservative could destroy Pryor in Arkansas, send him the same way as Lincoln in 2010. Landreiu has the potential to go down in similar flames as well after her votes against the 2nd Amendment. Cassidy is a good replacement.
Two more. Possibles are Begich in Alaska and Hagan in North Carolina. Begich almost lost to a guy who was under investigation. We need candidates to come forward here.

Of course, I’m still hoping to see Senator King from Iowa.

We don’t need Rove to take the senate form these chumps. In fact, he’ll likely lose us seats, like the one in Montana we could have taken from Tester.


32 posted on 05/02/2013 9:35:14 AM PDT by Viennacon
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To: cripplecreek
I don’t really care if he was tea party. Kapo Karl and his little groin leeches happily kept the issue alive..... just like he’s doing now with his comments.

To be clear, I am NOT at all defending Rove in this - but since he did keep it alive, that makes it imperative that we do not get tarred with Akin. Akin was his own problem. He is an idiot. Yes, he believes the right things, but he's arrogant and an idiot and enriched his own family with his campaign funds - and he was played by the McCaskill team for a sucker long before he made his inarticulate statements. Rove is right that Akin was a problem. Rove is wrong that Akin is Tea Party. Very important we make this distinction, to keep our cred and to further weaken Roves' cred.

33 posted on 05/02/2013 9:39:23 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

Whatever it takes to justify doing exactly what Rove wants you to do I guess. I’m not playing that game.


34 posted on 05/02/2013 9:42:51 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Longbow1969

You make some good points, but I think you’re tarring some good people in your generalization. O’Donnell is far more impressive than given credit for, and it literally would have been a disaster to nominate Castle - since he was nothing more than a Specter or Jeffords or Crist in the making. And you make some valid points on Sanford - who is a sad case.

I asked friends of mine in SC why people support him, and they all say he is very likeable, dynamic, and happens to be able and willing to take on liberalism fearlessly - something we need badly. Too bad he is so bizarre and has tried to revive his career way too soon.


35 posted on 05/02/2013 9:43:10 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: cripplecreek
Whatever it takes to justify doing exactly what Rove wants you to do I guess. I’m not playing that game.

With all due respect, you are way too smart to make such a comment. Do you want to revise that statement, or will I be forced to expose its sophistry?

36 posted on 05/02/2013 9:44:32 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: jimbo123

I know ... Republicans can take back the Senate by nominating DEMOCRATS!

Brilliant, Karl. Simply brilliant!


37 posted on 05/02/2013 9:45:44 AM PDT by IronJack (=)
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To: Viennacon

The Senate RATS that voted for ObamaCare should be toast after the debacle snowballs starting in October when the enrollment push starts. I’m not sure who voted for it, but ObamaCare will be nuclear toxic for everyone who voted for it.


38 posted on 05/02/2013 9:45:49 AM PDT by jimbo123
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To: Jim Robinson

I’m afraid they will nominate Jeb Bush in ‘16..


39 posted on 05/02/2013 9:46:01 AM PDT by cardinal4 (Constitution? What Constitution?)
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To: cardinal4

Now that would be self-destructive. And it’s a Tokyo Rove wet dream.


40 posted on 05/02/2013 9:48:18 AM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

Go right on ahead and do your worst but maybe you should stop trying to moderate the GOP and consider moderating the party that actually needs it.

Frankly I’m not easily impressed.


41 posted on 05/02/2013 9:48:40 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: jimbo123
Rove...my favorite.

“Republican success will depend on having quality Senate candidates,” Rove wrote in The Wall Street Journal on Thursday. “Todd Akin and Richard Mourdock self-destructed last fall, and other candidates squandered important opportunities.” Romney and Tommy Thompson lost too.

42 posted on 05/02/2013 9:49:05 AM PDT by Darren McCarty (If most people were more than keyboard warriors, we might have won the election)
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To: jimbo123

Taking the Senate might actually be a positive if all the new Pubbie Senators were watching Ted Cruz’ back.


43 posted on 05/02/2013 9:49:42 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: jimbo123

How many more Juans and Linda Gramnesties do we need?


44 posted on 05/02/2013 9:50:31 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: jimbo123
GOP could take Senate in 2014

but not if Rove and McCain et al can help it

45 posted on 05/02/2013 9:53:48 AM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINE www.fee.org/library/books/economics-in-one-lesson)
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To: cripplecreek
Go right on ahead and do your worst but maybe you should stop trying to moderate the GOP and consider moderating the party that actually needs it.

You asked for it. You have accused me of being a Rove tool. You have accused me of doing what Rove wants me to do. You have accused me of trying, at the behest of Rove, to moderate the party. Allow me exhibit A demonstrating the abject ignorance of your repeated charges: it is 103 thousand words, covering 20 years, documenting establishment failure and pointing directly at Rove as the chief architect of this failure for the last 13 years. YOUR ABJECT IGNORANCE is on display, and you force me to display it:


46 posted on 05/02/2013 9:54:41 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: Viennacon
"A true conservative could destroy Pryor in Arkansas"

Tom Cotton.

47 posted on 05/02/2013 9:55:46 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: C. Edmund Wright

And here I am still unimpressed.


48 posted on 05/02/2013 9:58:03 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: C. Edmund Wright
In theory there is no difference between theory and practice.

In practice there is. ;-)

49 posted on 05/02/2013 9:58:29 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: jimbo123

Oh, I agree completely. If the GOP listens to Rove, "self-destruction" is inevitable. Rove is the republican Obama. He's doing as much ill to the "republican" brand name as Obama is doing to the "democrat" brand name.


50 posted on 05/02/2013 9:59:26 AM PDT by so_real ( "The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.")
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