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South Carolina House passes bill making 'Obamacare'implementation a crime
Washington Times ^ | 5/2/13 | Jessica Chasmar

Posted on 05/02/2013 5:29:57 PM PDT by Nachum

The South Carolina state House passed a bill Wednesday that declares President Obama’s Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act to be “null and void,” and criminalizes its implementation. The state’s Freedom of Health Care Protection Act intends to “prohibit certain individuals from enforcing or attempting to enforce such unconstitutional laws; and to establish criminal penalties and civil liability for violating this article.” The measure permits the state Attorney General, with reasonable cause, “to restrain by temporary restraining order, temporary injunction, or permanent injunction”

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events; US: South Carolina
KEYWORDS: carolina; implementation; obamacare; south

1 posted on 05/02/2013 5:29:57 PM PDT by Nachum
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To: Jet Jaguar; NorwegianViking; ExTexasRedhead; HollyB; FromLori; EricTheRed_VocalMinority; ...

The list, Ping

Let me know if you would like to be on or off the ping list

http://www.nachumlist.com/


2 posted on 05/02/2013 5:30:41 PM PDT by Nachum (The Obama "List" at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: Nachum

The South will rise...er, make that “IS RISING”...again.


3 posted on 05/02/2013 5:32:32 PM PDT by LaybackLenny
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To: Nachum
Make all Zer0 EO's illegal too.

Plus everything H0lder does.

4 posted on 05/02/2013 5:35:09 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Nachum

Make SC airspace a free fire zone for AF1.


5 posted on 05/02/2013 5:35:51 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Nachum

COOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I will be joining you all- I mean y’all soon!


6 posted on 05/02/2013 5:36:23 PM PDT by Mr. K (There are lies, damned lies, statistics, and democrat talking points.)
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To: Nachum

The spirit of John C. Calhoun lives.


7 posted on 05/02/2013 5:39:47 PM PDT by .45 Long Colt
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To: .45 Long Colt

I’m a yankee but I say, Go SC!


8 posted on 05/02/2013 5:45:07 PM PDT by Signalman
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To: Nachum

Great work. At the state level, we’re kickin’ ass.


9 posted on 05/02/2013 5:47:12 PM PDT by Viennacon
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To: Viennacon

This has to happen in every state. Then let’s see Holder try.


10 posted on 05/02/2013 5:47:49 PM PDT by Nachum (The Obama "List" at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: 2nd amendment mama

Watch out—I may have to move to your neighborhood—LOL!


11 posted on 05/02/2013 5:48:25 PM PDT by basil (basil --Second Amendment Sisters.org)
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To: Nachum

12 posted on 05/02/2013 5:50:18 PM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Mater tua caligas exercitus gerit ;-{)
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To: Nachum; All
I hope that states who are nullifying Obamacare wake up to the following fact. Congress is actualy prohibited from from laying taxes in the name of healthcare and many other federal goverment spending programs that have their origins in FDR's constitutonally indefensible New Deal programs. This prohibition on Congress's power to lay taxes was officially clarified by Justice John Marshall. Justice Marshall basically indicated that Congress cannot lay taxes in the name of state power issues, essentially any issue that Congress cannot justify under its constitutional Article I, Section 8-limited powers.
"Congress is not empowered to tax for those purposes which are within the exclusive province of the States." --Justice John Marshall, Gibbons v. Ogden, 1824.

So many federal government spending programs are funded with constitutionally indefensible federal taxes, arguably state revenues, that corrupt Congress essentially stole from citizens. (Are you listening bankrupt California?)

13 posted on 05/02/2013 5:51:48 PM PDT by Amendment10
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To: LaybackLenny

STATES RIGHTS!!!


14 posted on 05/02/2013 5:53:05 PM PDT by RetiredArmy (1 Cor 15: 50-54 & 1 Thess 4: 13-17. That about covers it.)
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To: Nachum

Well done Palmetto Staters!!!!!


15 posted on 05/02/2013 6:01:18 PM PDT by ScottinVA ( Liberal is to patriotism as Kermit Gosnell is to neonatal care.)
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To: Nachum

There’s a reason I moved here!


16 posted on 05/02/2013 6:02:50 PM PDT by bolobaby
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To: Nachum
This has to happen in every state. Then let’s see Holder try.

Never happen in The Socialist Republic of California. The Socialists in power have embraced Obamacare.

17 posted on 05/02/2013 6:05:39 PM PDT by Ben Mugged (The number one enemy of liberalism is reality.)
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To: basil

I’ll be right behind you! Got to get out of iLLinois, soon.


18 posted on 05/02/2013 6:11:23 PM PDT by AllAmericanGirl44
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To: Amendment10

BUT,
Congress can legislate any “U.S. Citizen”


http://freedom-school.com/eric-williams/02-25-2006.pdf

The Fourteenth Amendment - Revisited

First - forget everything you ever knew about the Fourteenth Amendment - then carefully read the below expose:

Take the Amendment’s opening clauses, “All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state where in they reside...”

Now, consider the same clauses with the central, explanatory clause removed, and it then reads: “All persons born or naturalized in the United States are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside...”

Under the rules of English grammar and punctuation, the second clause, “and under the jurisdiction thereof, “ is an explanatory clause. Explanatory clauses do not add to nor in any way change or alter the meaning of the writing in which they are included; their purpose is to explain. As it is self evident that naturalized persons volunteer into the jurisdiction of the United States as an inherent aspect of their voluntary naturalization, the explanatory obviously was not relevant thereto. Therefore the inclusion of this explanatory clause is to clarify that persons born in the
United States, in deference to the Thirteenth Amendment, do not become and are not, at the moment of their birth in the United States, automatically citizens thereof because such newborn persons are incapable of personally volunteering themselves into servitude. I contend that the inclusion of “persons naturalized” was somewhat obfuscatory.

Please note that when the explanatory words (”, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, “), are omitted, the entire impact and meaning changes, or rather (and more correctly), the true meaning become obfuscated. The explanatory clause, (”, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, “), clearly adds a second criteria necessary to establishing citizenship and clearly indicates that there are two distinctly separate criteria both of which must be met in order for
persons born in the United States to be classified or designated as citizens thereof.

The words, “and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, “ clearly provide, recognize and acknowledge that there are persons born in the United States who are not thereby automatically subject to the jurisdiction thereof, and that such persons, by such birth, are not automatically classified or designated to be citizens of the United States.

(I strongly contend that this includes all persons born in the United States of parents when the parents themselves are citizens of the United States. That is, no one becomes a citizen of the United States just because the person is born in the United States. “Born in the United States” and “born under the jurisdiction thereof” are not one and the same as is commonly misunderstood. If the two statements meant the same thing then only one would have been needed. Moreover, the Thirteenth Amendment’s prohibition of involuntary servitude prevents anyone from being designated to be a citizen of the United States based merely on the location of the person’s birth in the United States).

In regard to persons born in the United States there are two criteria which must be met and complied with in order for persons born in the United States to be designated as citizens of the United States, and the second of the two preclude such citizenship from being “automatic” or based on the mere “accident” (or contrivance, as in the case of so called “anchor babies”), of the persons birth in the United States. The two required criteria are (1), that the persons be born in the United States (obvious), and, (2) that the born in the United States must also be subject to the jurisdiction thereof (this criteria is universally, incorrectly and
erroneously presumed - read on:).

This second criteria is not and cannot be met merely by the location of the persons birth, because, as set forth in the Fourth Article of Fourteenth Amendment, there is a requirement that citizens of the United States not question the validity of the national debt. This mandated provision clearly constitutes a condition of servitude, therefore, in deference to and in recognition of the prohibition of involuntary servitude of the Thirteenth Amendment, it becomes abundantly clear that a person’s birth in the United States, by itself, does NOT and cannot establish U.S. citizenship. Please read on:

An examination of the two subject amendments will expose a diabolical plot; understand that the same legislators who wrote the Fourteenth Amendment had, two years earlier, also written the Thirteenth Amendment, wherein these same legislators prohibited involuntary servitude - I am not aware of any claim by anyone or any court that the Fourteenth Amendment in any way revoked or abolished any of the provisions of the Thirteenth Amendment.

Bearing in mind that the Thirteenth Amendment prohibits involuntary servitude; and while keeping this thought in mind, then consider this wording contained in the Fourth Article of the Fourteenth Amendment, (in reference to citizens of the United States):

“The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned.”,

Or, to paraphrase the relevant part, “Citizens of the United States shall not complain about being required to pay the public debt of the United States, authorized by law...”.

Or, to cut to the chase, “Citizens of the United States - SHUT UP and PAY UP!!”

As paraphrased (but NOT wrongly interpreted), it becomes abundantly clear and indisputable that this mandate in the Fourth Article of the Fourteenth Amendment constitutes a condition of servitude - that is, U.S. citizenship constitutes a condition of servitude - and, because of the prohibition of involuntary servitude in the Thirteenth Amendment, US citizenship must be voluntarily entered into and cannot be acquired merely by birth.

So, with the foregoing examination and understanding in mind, it then becomes clear why the citizenship clauses of the Fourteenth Amendment are phrased in the manner they are (implying U.S. citizenship by birth but clearly unable to state such to be the case). If those legislators who created the wording of these two amendments had been honest, they would have written the Fourteenth Amendment somewhat as follows:

“All persons born in the United States, who thereafter, upon attaining the age of reason, then voluntarily elect to place themselves under the jurisdiction thereof, such persons, by such voluntary act, thereby voluntarily become citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside and in so volunteering, such citizens agree to subject themselves to the jurisdiction of the United States in every respect and agree to pay the national debt thereof, without complaint.”

The opening clause of the Fourteenth Amendment provides, “All persons born or naturalized, “. Bear in mind that those who were held in slavery had been kidnapped in their homeland and drug to the United States against their will, in chains, and then forced into slavery for many generations. Such acts as these, perpetrated on these innocent kidnapped Africans, could not in any way be expected to engender an attitude of gratitude and loyalty to the Government of the United States - what would be your attitude if you were among those who were freed at the end of Lincoln’s unconstitutional and undeclared war (just in case you thought Bush was the first to ignore the applicable Constitutional provisions)??

Due to the conditions the African slaves had been subjected to preceding their emancipation, the former slaves had every reason to despise the United States. Additionally, naturalization (also included in the citizenship clause of the Fourteenth Amendment), requires a renunciation of the candidates former foreign sovereign and a willingness to take an oath swearing an allegiance to the United States. Naturalization requires a study of and a knowledge of the Constitution. The vast majority of the former slaves were totally illiterate, so, for the most part, none of them were in any way desirable as candidates for naturalization and it would have been ludicrous to expect that any of them would seek naturalization, and I am not aware of even one instance where such occurred. And none of this has even the slightest bearing on the fact that the former slaves were black.

In response to the foregoing there are those who claim that the former slaves gained U.S. citizenship under the Fourteenth Amendment because, during the so called reconstruction period, imposed upon the Southern States after the end of Lincoln’s illegal war, the former slaves were then under the jurisdiction of the United States and that is what made them U.S. citizens. This claim is spurious at best as the purported applicable clause of the Fourteenth Amendment addressing “those persons subject to the jurisdiction thereof [of the United States]”, is specifically limited to and is only applicable to those persons BORN in the United States - and is not applicable those who found themselves under the jurisdiction thereof due to the result of an unconstitutional and illegal war. (All of the adult former slaves had been born (albeit - as a result of kidnapping), under the jurisdiction of the (southern) state wherein they were born. Some may have even been born in a foreign country where from they were kidnapped).

As to those babies actually born of freed slaves during the so called reconstruction period, such children could still not be classified as citizens of the United States (due to their birth) because of the servitude mandated in the Fourth Article of the Fourteenth Amendment as a specific condition of U.S. citizenship; all this in deference to the prohibition of involuntary servitude of the Thirteenth Amendment. Before such children could become U.S. citizens they would have to wait until they reached the age of reason and then they would have to volunteer themselves into such status. I contend that none ever did so, certainly not knowingly.

I cannot imagine that any sane former slave who fully understood the provisions of the Thirteenth and Fourteenth amendments would freely volunteer into a condition of servitude which is part and parcel of United States citizenship. For that matter, neither can I imagine such would be the freewill choice of any sane white person born in the United States (this disparagement is not in any way applicable to foreign nationals who immigrate to the U.S. and apply for naturalization).

Having unraveled the insidious intent hidden in the Fourteenth Amendment it becomes abundantly clear that the purpose of the Fourteenth Amendment was/is to con persons of all races into volunteering themselves into a condition of servitude under the jurisdiction of the United States

There is widespread belief that the purpose and intent of the Fourteenth Amendment was to provide a citizenship status for the freed slaves and at the time of the promulgation of the Fourteenth Amendment such purpose was even publicly claimed by those who drafted the citizenship clauses - but if such was the case then why is any suggestion or implication thereof totally absent from the said clauses?? Why did the framers thereof not write:

“All persons born in the United States or any territory thereof, or born in any of the several states, being of African extraction, who desire to become citizens hereof, shall be accorded every opportunity to meet and comply with the rules of naturalization on the same basis of any white immigrant, without any restriction due to their former condition of involuntary servitude or slavery, nor shall such applicants be subject to any naturalization quotas.”

And, just to make sure that it is clearly understood, there is no such thing as an “anchor baby” (babies born in the United States of illegal alien mothers).

So, if persons born in the United States do not volunteer into U.S. citizen servitude status - what then is their political status??

Well, as for me, I am of the Posterity of the People of the United States. “People of the United States” and “citizen of the United States” are not in any way the same!!! This begs an examination as to what it is that constitutes a republican form of government - and that will be the subject of a future discussion.

I suggest skeptics read Chief Justice John Jay’s dicta in Chisholm vs. Georgia (2US 419 - 1794), the Preamble to the Constitution, and the First and Second amendments, paying particular attention to the use of the words “joint tenants in the sovereignty”, “people”, “ourselves and our posterity”, and, the absence of the word “citizen”

Cheers,

Eric Williams


19 posted on 05/02/2013 6:15:51 PM PDT by phockthis (http://www.supremelaw.org/fedzone11/index.htm ...)
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To: Amendment10

“It is clear that Congress, as a legislative body, exercise two species of legislative power: the one, limited as to its objects, but extending all over the Union: the other, an absolute, exclusive legislative power over the District of Columbia. The preliminary inquiry in the case now before the Court, is, by virtue of which of these authorities was the law in question passed?”
[Cohens v. Virginia, 19 U.S. 264, 6 Wheat. 265; 5 L.Ed. 257 (1821)]


“The 1st section of the 14th article [Fourteenth Amendment], to which our attention is more specifically invited, opens with a definition of citizenship—not only citizenship of the United States[***], but citizenship of the states. No such definition was previously found in the Constitution, nor had any attempt been made to define it by act of Congress. It had been the occasion of much discussion in the courts, by the executive departments and in the public journals. It had been said by eminent judges that no man was a citizen of the United States[***] except as he was a citizen of one of the states composing the Union. Those therefore, who had been born and resided always in the District of Columbia or in the territories [STATUTORY citizens], though within the United States[*], were not [CONSTITUTIONAL] citizens.”
[Slaughter-House Cases, 83 U.S. (16 Wall.) 36, 21 L.Ed. 394(1873)]


20 posted on 05/02/2013 6:22:04 PM PDT by phockthis (http://www.supremelaw.org/fedzone11/index.htm ...)
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To: Nachum
Yeah, baby . . . yeah!

I just hope they called it "interposition" instead of nullification.

21 posted on 05/02/2013 6:30:05 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Ki-hagoy vehamamlakhah 'asher lo'-ya`avdukh yove'du; vehagoyim charov yecheravu!)
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To: Nachum

OUTSTANDING!

It can certainly be argued that it was wrong for Wallace to block the school entrance in the early 1960's.However this is *entirely* different.Force Osama Obama to call up the National Guard and to send 10,000 IRS agents to SC.

GO,SOUTH CAROLINA!


22 posted on 05/02/2013 6:32:04 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Leno Was Right,They *Are* Undocumented Democrats!)
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To: Nachum

Thank you, South Carolinians!


23 posted on 05/02/2013 6:36:32 PM PDT by Standing Wolf
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To: Standing Wolf; l8pilot; 2A Patriot; 2nd amendment mama; 4everontheRight; 77Jimmy; ...
Thank you, South Carolinians!

You're welcome.

Some info for folks who don't enjoy the pleasure of being from this beautiful state: May 1 was the "crossover deadline." Any legislation that had not been passed by the House on that date will not be passed on to the Senate as there will not be enough time for the Senate to consider it. This significant bill just squeaked through.

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24 posted on 05/02/2013 6:45:43 PM PDT by upchuck (To the faceless, jack-booted government bureaucrat who just scanned this post: SCREW YOU!)
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To: Ben Mugged; All
Never happen in The Socialist Republic of California. The Socialists in power have embraced Obamacare.

I wouldn't be surprised if Constitution-impaired California lawmakers do not understand that the Obamacare funding that they want can be regarded as state revenues that the corrupt feds stole from their state in the form of constitutionally indefensible federal taxes.

25 posted on 05/02/2013 7:09:11 PM PDT by Amendment10
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To: Amendment10

I am glad y’all got your hearts in Dixie; now it the time to put your asses into it.


26 posted on 05/02/2013 7:12:40 PM PDT by Bullfrogg (American by birth, Irish by heritage, and hellraiser by choice)
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To: Nachum

YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS !


27 posted on 05/02/2013 8:28:14 PM PDT by Graewoulf (Traitor John Roberts' Commune-Style Obama'care' violates U.S. Constitution AND Anti-Trust Law.)
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To: Nachum

Good news, now the other states need to follow suit. Dear Lord, please keep the dominoes falling - gun control -> amnesty -> Benghazi -> and Obamacare. Obama’s simmering, lets fry him!!


28 posted on 05/02/2013 8:37:15 PM PDT by potlatch (~be content with small victories and simple pleasures~)
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To: Nachum

Missouri and South Carolina afaik...

I hope my Georgia will follow soon.


29 posted on 05/03/2013 2:22:32 AM PDT by Principled
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To: bolobaby

Has Colbert been asked her position on Obamacare?


30 posted on 05/03/2013 2:52:44 AM PDT by ken5050 (Not every Muslim is a terrorist, but just about every terrorist is a Muslim..)
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