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African-Americans 'Understopped': NYPD Commissioner Ray Kelly Defends Stop-And-Frisk Policy
IBT ^ | 05/03/2013 | Thomas Barrabi

Posted on 05/03/2013 12:44:25 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd

New York Police Commissioner Raymond Kelly is in hot water after attempting to defend the city’s stop-and-frisk policy by claiming that African-Americans are actually “understopped.”

In an interview with ABC’s Nightline, Kelly defended the NYPD’s use of the tactic, rejecting the notion that stop-and-frisk is directed disproportionately at New York’s African-American and Latino population.

“The stark reality is that crime happens in communities of color,” Kelly told “Nightline” co-anchor Bill Weir on Wednesday. “About 70 percent to 75 percent of the people described as committing violent crimes -- assault, robbery, shootings, grand larceny -- are described as being African-American. “

“The percentage of people who are stopped is 53 percent African-American,” he added. “So really, African-Americans are being understopped in relation to the percentage of people being described as being the perpetrators of violent crime.”

Commissioner Kelly also dismissed accusations by a Brooklyn teenager that stop-and-frisk creates a schism between the city’s police force and local communities.

“When things like this happen, there’s no trust,” said Kasim Walters, a teenager from Flatbush.

“We are trying to save his life,” Kelly countered. “And we are trying to save the life of other young people who are disproportionately victimized.”

While Kelly remains steadfast in his beliefs, an analysis of official police data casts further suspicion on the city's stop-and-frisk policy. According to a study by the ACLU, 86 percent of stops were of African-Americans or Latinos, while 88 percent of these stops did not lead to an arrest, Salon reports.

“The number of innocent people stopped alone serves as ample riposte to Kelly’s suggestion that any demographic is 'understopped,'" notes Salon’s Natasha Lennard.

Still, the policy may be having an impact on New York’s crime statistics. The city’s Health Department recently reported that gun deaths dropped significantly between 2000 and 2011, the New York Daily News reports.

Kelly’s comments on the stop-and-frisk policy were made as the city finds itself embroiled in an ongoing court battle over the legality of the practice. The federal class-action lawsuit, filed by the Center for Constitutional Rights, is scheduled to conclude on May 16.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: stopandfrisk; understopped
Once you get past the word 'understopped'; Kelly makes sense and the facts prove it.
1 posted on 05/03/2013 12:44:25 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd
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To: Responsibility2nd

Always refreshing to hear a politically incorrect and highly accurate (redundant, I know) comment from a high profile individual. And now we hold our breath to see if he keeps his job.


2 posted on 05/03/2013 12:47:17 PM PDT by BlueStateRightist
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To: Responsibility2nd
Blacks are 12% of the population, but commit 50% of the murders.

Most of the people they murder are other blacks, though, so it's OK.

3 posted on 05/03/2013 12:49:30 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Islam is a religion of peace, and Moslems reserve the right to detonate anyone who says otherwise.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

unless you are white and try to defend yourself, then they drum up charges against you so the natives don’t riot.


4 posted on 05/03/2013 12:54:46 PM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama lied .. the economy died.)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Way too much truth here. It must be silenced.


5 posted on 05/03/2013 12:55:04 PM PDT by redpoll
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

More children are murdered in Chicago every year than were killed at Sandy Hook.

But because its WHITE CHILDREN being killed - why thats justification to ban guns.

Just like they do in Chicago.

(Isn’t liberal logic wonderful?)


6 posted on 05/03/2013 12:55:17 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Last year liberals were giving him hell because he had undercovers checking out muzzie students, and gee whiz...Look what happens in Boston.


7 posted on 05/03/2013 12:58:11 PM PDT by GrandJediMasterYoda (Someday our schools will teach the difference between "lose" and "loose")
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Blacks are 12% of the population, but commit 50% of the murders.

I live in S.E. VA and here blacks are 40% of the population and 90% of the violent offenders. But we can't havean honest discussion on the subject because as soon as you try other blacks shout you down as racist. Even though it's usually their young sons and daughters who are being killed and assaulted by the feral black criminals.

8 posted on 05/03/2013 12:58:32 PM PDT by pgkdan (Some taglines never go away....)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

And we shouldn’t have guns because the gun makes them steal it, and then the gun kills people.


9 posted on 05/03/2013 12:58:52 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: Responsibility2nd

I tell what doesn’t help the cops is stuff like this...........

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMlc0-LSMgA


10 posted on 05/03/2013 1:02:16 PM PDT by GrandJediMasterYoda (Someday our schools will teach the difference between "lose" and "loose")
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To: Responsibility2nd

Very true. One day in Gun-Ban Chicago: 20 people shot, 3 killed....

According to the Chicago Tribune’s May 1 edition:

“At least three people were killed and 17 wounded in shootings across Chicago overnight as the city saw its warmest weather in seven months.”

Link, with more links embedded: http://weaselzippers.us/2013/05/03/one-day-in-gun-ban-chicago-20-people-shot-3-killed/


11 posted on 05/03/2013 1:02:29 PM PDT by CharlesMartelsGhost
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To: Responsibility2nd
Still, the policy may be having an impact on New York’s crime statistics. The city’s Health Department recently reported that gun deaths dropped significantly between 2000 and 2011, the New York Daily News reports

Murder rates have fallen everywhere since 2000, many with steeper drops than NYC (8.7/100K in 2000 to 6.3 in 2011). Los Angeles' rate, for example, has been nearly halved - from 14.8 to 7.7.

see city-data.com

12 posted on 05/03/2013 1:11:10 PM PDT by Ken H
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To: Responsibility2nd

My problem is not that they are frisking any particular race, but that they are frisking anyone at all. We used to have rights to be “secure in our persons”.


13 posted on 05/03/2013 1:21:29 PM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: Ken H

How about some real numbers: 2,245 homicides down to 415.


14 posted on 05/03/2013 1:22:48 PM PDT by cumbo78
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To: Ken H

How about some real numbers: 2,245 homicides down to 415.


15 posted on 05/03/2013 1:23:01 PM PDT by cumbo78
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To: Vince Ferrer

“We used to have rights to be ‘secure in our persons.’ “

Being secure in our papers and our persons went in the dust bin with mandatory drug testing and also with the TSA BS at the airport.

I miss the old America.


16 posted on 05/03/2013 1:24:43 PM PDT by july4thfreedomfoundation (November 4, 2008 and November 6, 2012.....Two days that will live in infamy!)
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To: Vince Ferrer

I have watched a few reports on NYC’s ‘stop and frisk’ policy and it’s as if the 4th Amendment had been completely repealed.


17 posted on 05/03/2013 1:28:23 PM PDT by TigersEye (If babies had guns they wouldn't be aborted)
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To: Ken H
Murder rates have fallen everywhere since 2000, many with steeper drops than NYC (8.7/100K in 2000 to 6.3 in 2011). Los Angeles' rate, for example, has been nearly halved - from 14.8 to 7.7.

NYC's murder rate is more impressive than LA's, because NYC is 26% black, compared to LA's 10%.

18 posted on 05/03/2013 1:28:42 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Responsibility2nd

He cannot say that.

YES: It’s true.

But he cannot say it.

It’s like saying AIDS is more prevalent in Faggots. Yes It’s true, but ya just cannot say it.

It is offensive to those who are mentioned.


19 posted on 05/03/2013 1:30:31 PM PDT by Venturer
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To: Vince Ferrer

We used to have rights to be “secure in our persons”.

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With freedom comes responsibility. Many citizens have given up responsibility and the feedom that goes with it.


20 posted on 05/03/2013 1:34:12 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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21 posted on 05/03/2013 1:37:06 PM PDT by loungitude (The truth hurts.)
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To: Responsibility2nd

So you stand with those who consider the Constitution a relic of the past.


22 posted on 05/03/2013 1:37:47 PM PDT by TigersEye (If babies had guns they wouldn't be aborted)
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To: cumbo78
How about some real numbers: 2,245 homicides down to 415.

Source?

City-data shows the number going from 673 in 2000 to 515 in 2011.

23 posted on 05/03/2013 1:39:22 PM PDT by Ken H
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To: Responsibility2nd

I don’t agree with stopping random people without probable cause but he’s telling too much truth here.

Expect an apology soon...


24 posted on 05/03/2013 1:45:25 PM PDT by varyouga
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To: Zhang Fei
NYC's murder rate is more impressive than LA's, because NYC is 26% black, compared to LA's 10%.

LA's hispanic population is 49% vs 29% for NYC.

25 posted on 05/03/2013 1:49:30 PM PDT by Ken H
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To: TigersEye

I’d ask what prompts you to make such a stupid remark. But I really don’t care.

I’ll just chalk it up to what YOU personally believe and move on.


26 posted on 05/03/2013 1:54:10 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Responsibility2nd

The meaning of your comment was self-evident.


27 posted on 05/03/2013 1:57:19 PM PDT by TigersEye (If babies had guns they wouldn't be aborted)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Not to mention your posting history of the same.


28 posted on 05/03/2013 1:57:41 PM PDT by TigersEye (If babies had guns they wouldn't be aborted)
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To: Ken H
LA's hispanic population is 49% vs 29% for NYC.

On an age-adjusted basis, Hispanics offend at about the same rate as whites vs 6-7x for blacks. Without the adjustment, it's about twice, compared to about 9x for blacks. That discrepancy is why San Antonio (63% Hispanic) is safer than either Houston (44%) or Dallas (42%), despite being majority Hispanic - only 6.3% of SA's residents are black compared to nearly 1/4 for both Houston (23%) and Dallas (25%). And El Paso, with its 81% Hispanic population is safest of all, because its black population is only 3% of the total. All of this data comes from city data.

29 posted on 05/03/2013 2:03:25 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: TigersEye

You really believe freedom is free? There’s no cost or responsibility involved?

Get real.


30 posted on 05/03/2013 2:16:37 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Responsibility2nd
If you want to p*ss off a conservative, lie to us.

If you want to p*ss off a liberal,
“The stark reality is that crime happens in communities of color,” Kelly told “Nightline” co-anchor Bill Weir on Wednesday. “About 70 percent to 75 percent of the people described as committing violent crimes -- assault, robbery, shootings, grand larceny -- are described as being African-American.“
tell them the truth.
31 posted on 05/03/2013 2:30:12 PM PDT by Peet (Come back with a warrant.)
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

Viral video: Man arrested outside Fayetteville ABC store [for drinking. . .iced tea]

May 2, 2013 WNCN staff

FAYETTEVILLE, N.C. -
A video on YouTube showing a man being arrested in Fayetteville has gone viral after the man insisted all he was doing was drinking tea in the parking lot of an ABC store on Morganton Road.

http://www.wncn.com/story/22145617/viral-video-shows-man-arrested-for-drinking-iced-tea-in-fayetteville


32 posted on 05/03/2013 2:52:14 PM PDT by deks ("...the battle...liberty against the overreach of the federal government" Ken Cuccinelli)
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To: deks

I tell you that really ticks me off, big time BIG TIME...not because it diminishes stop and frisk, but because it is clearly an abuse of power not to mention that it is a complete humiliation of this MAN. Has it ever occurred to this cop to do what is trained in every police academy in the country? That you NEVER go antagonistic into ANY situation that is not a threat? “Hey fellas, how are you doing! Nice car you got there...Say listen, not to be a ball breaker, but the owner of this store is a nervous guy...Is there any chance you guys can take it elsewhere?” You start with that, if it escalates, then it’s a different story. But this guy comes in gang busters and makes himself look KKK. What an asshole. He knew he was wrong too which is why he unlocked the handcuffs.


33 posted on 05/03/2013 3:23:55 PM PDT by GrandJediMasterYoda (Someday our schools will teach the difference between "lose" and "loose")
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To: Responsibility2nd
F the Scots. the problem with Scotland is it's full of Scots! I claim Prima Nocta..It is my noble right. If we can't route them out, we'll breed them out.


34 posted on 05/03/2013 5:55:17 PM PDT by GrandJediMasterYoda (Someday our schools will teach the difference between "lose" and "loose")
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To: Responsibility2nd

You really believe that an ad-hominem response doesn’t show that’s all you have to say?


35 posted on 05/03/2013 9:34:36 PM PDT by TigersEye (If babies had guns they wouldn't be aborted)
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To: Ken H

415 in 2012. 4 more than Detroit, which has 1/12th the population.


36 posted on 05/05/2013 8:11:24 AM PDT by cumbo78
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