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Obama Administration Trying to Grab Guns Through Executive Order
Gun Owners of America ^ | May 2, 2013 | Gun Owners of America Staff

Posted on 05/03/2013 2:40:20 PM PDT by forty_years

ACT NOW! See "ACTION: Go to the Federal Register" Below

...And sure enough, the Obama Administration is trying to unilaterally undo our recent victory in the Senate - and to undo the “damage” that all of us inflicted together.

But first, a little history.

Remember when Senators Pat Toomey, Joe Manchin and Chuck Schumer formed an unholy alliance during the recent gun battle on Capitol Hill? Remember how their amendment would have encouraged your psychiatrist to turn you in to the FBI's gun ban list?

And you remember how we stopped that provision, because over 40 senators found it to be odious and a violation of the Second Amendment?

Well, guess what? Barack Obama has just concluded that "he don't need no stinkin’ Senate."

Instead, Secretary Kathleen "ObamaCare" Sebelius - and her Department of Health and Human Services - has promulgated regulations which would, by executive fiat, waive all federal privacy laws and encourage you doctor to report you to the FBI.

Understand a couple of things: First, the standard which your doctor would use to turn you in is embodied in Clinton-era ATF language and in the anti-gun Veterans Disarmament Act of 2007. Specifically, you doctor would "drop a dime" on you if he suspected you were even a slight "danger to yourself of others" or were "unable to manage your financial affairs."

So if they say you can't balance your checkbook, then you lose your constitutional rights.

But there's another problem: The day these regulations become law, lawyers will be lining up to sue "deep-pocket" psychiatrists for every case where they failed to turn in a patient to NICS - if the patient subsequently engages in a horrific act.

The bottom line? Any psychiatrist who failed to report all of his patients to the NICS system risks losing everything if any of them engages in harmful conduct. Soon the rule of thumb will be: See a shrink; lose your guns.

And the regulations will apply to private, as well as government-employed psychiatrists.

The bad news is that 165,000 military veterans have already lost their gun rights because of the “see a VA shrink, lose your gun rights” precedent from the Clinton-Bush era.

Sadly, what happened to military veterans has now begun in the private sector - especially in places like New York, after they recently passed their misnamed SAFE Act.

According to gun rights reporter, Dan Roberts, firearms are now being confiscated from gun owners because of their mental health information. For example:

“[John Doe] received a letter from the Pistol Permit Department informing him that his license was immediately revoked upon information that he was seeing a therapist for anxiety and had been prescribed an anxiety drug. He was never suicidal, never violent, and has no criminal history.”

So now taking anxiety pills can result in one’s forfeiting their Second Amendment rights in New York!

This is where the gun haters want to push their agenda. And this is one reason why background checks are so dangerous - because they give government bureaucrats the opportunity to deny law-abiding people their constitutionally-protected rights.

But the good news is this: The HHS rulemaking is still at an early stage, and HHS is (no doubt reluctantly) taking the views of the general public.

ACTION: Go to the Federal Register - at http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/FR-2013-04-23/pdf/2013-09602.pdf - and respond to the regs entitled “HIPAA Privacy Rule and the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS).”

Let the HHS know how you feel about waiving all federal privacy laws for people who seek counseling.

Also, be sure to tell your congressmen that you oppose the “see a shrink, lose your guns” regs issued by the HHS. Ask him to issue his own comments as well.

The regs themselves lay out several ways that you may submit your opposition. The comment period ends on June 7, 2013.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Constitution/Conservatism; Front Page News; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 0pansification; banglist; democrats; guncontrol; hhs; lockandloadamerica; maybealittleblowup; obama; psychiatrists; secondamendment; yousnoozeyoulose
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1 posted on 05/03/2013 2:40:20 PM PDT by forty_years
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To: forty_years
"Let the HHS know how you feel"??? This is a trap!

The HHS will put anyone on their complaint list into the NICS system as 'combative; anti-government'

Would be much wiser to complain to a Senator..

2 posted on 05/03/2013 2:47:32 PM PDT by GeorgeWashingtonsGhost
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To: forty_years

“Do you have a search warrant?”
“No.”
“Ok...bye.”


3 posted on 05/03/2013 2:49:54 PM PDT by struggle
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To: forty_years

Is going to a .gov website and complaining about Obama and the gungrabbers really such a great idea?


4 posted on 05/03/2013 2:52:13 PM PDT by smoothsailing
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5 posted on 05/03/2013 2:54:07 PM PDT by onyx (Please Support Free Republic - Donate Monthly! If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, Let Me know!)
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To: forty_years

I just had to answer a slew of these types of questions for a yearly physical appointment coming up. They said it was required for all Medicare patients. Some of the questions asked were along the lines of, “How often to do you feel depressed, anxious, down or sad?”


6 posted on 05/03/2013 2:54:23 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: forty_years

The government has zero power over you the LIVE, LIVING MAN.

Learn the law

This site is about protecting against the 16th amendment, but it is pertenent to any and all STATUTORY LAWS
http://www.supremelaw.org/fedzone11/index.htm


7 posted on 05/03/2013 2:55:44 PM PDT by phockthis (http://www.supremelaw.org/fedzone11/index.htm ...)
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To: forty_years

Bttt.


8 posted on 05/03/2013 2:55:56 PM PDT by Inyo-Mono (NRA)
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To: forty_years
Anything a psychiatrist can do for you a friend can do better. You need help? Ask a friend. Once these shrinks get hold of you and fill you full of drugs, you are a goner.
9 posted on 05/03/2013 2:56:38 PM PDT by Venturer
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To: onyx

Sounds like this is going to ensure that people who might need mental health help won’t seek it.


10 posted on 05/03/2013 2:59:20 PM PDT by Hootowl
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To: Venturer

I had a friend who was a clinical psychologist, who used to say the same thing, that a close friend could do just as much for her patients as she could.


11 posted on 05/03/2013 3:01:32 PM PDT by Eva
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To: forty_years

Uhn huh....

I’d rather walk through the jungles of Vietnam and take my chances on punji stick pits than go to HHS website


12 posted on 05/03/2013 3:01:56 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: forty_years

You would think a quote “Constitutional Professor” unquote would know better.

What a douche


13 posted on 05/03/2013 3:03:39 PM PDT by hattend (Firearms and ammunition...the only growing industries under the Obama regime.)
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To: forty_years
This is causing quite a stir - making the gun control freaks heads explode.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7F1nPSNnaBo

only 2 minutes - pass it on after viewing. it is going viral ...

14 posted on 05/03/2013 3:05:16 PM PDT by bankwalker (In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king.)
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15 posted on 05/03/2013 3:11:43 PM PDT by loungitude (The truth hurts.)
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To: bankwalker

Just. Damn.


16 posted on 05/03/2013 3:19:48 PM PDT by Old Sarge (My "KMA List" is growing daily...)
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To: forty_years

Back in the days of the old Soviet Union, you were considered mentally ill if you disagreed with the Communist govt.

Maybe I’m being overly paranoid but if the Dems take the House and Retain control in the Senate, I think they will say that anyone who disagrees with the Obama Regime’s “progressive” policies is, obviously, mentally ill.

That will give them justification to confiscate the firearms of conservatives.


17 posted on 05/03/2013 3:21:53 PM PDT by Signalman
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To: forty_years
COME AND TAKE IT!

18 posted on 05/03/2013 3:22:58 PM PDT by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal The 16th Amendment!)
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To: Signalman

No doubt about it! They are already trying to do that and don’;t have complete control yet ... except thaqt the republicants don’t oppose the socialist takeovers, so perhaps they do have complete control anyway since they hold the FBI files on all the degenerates IN CONGRESS.


19 posted on 05/03/2013 3:25:17 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: boatbums
Q: “How often to do you feel depressed, anxious, down or sad?”

A: "Whenever I read that Barack Obama is President.

20 posted on 05/03/2013 3:27:41 PM PDT by reg45 (Barack 0bama: Implementing class warfare by having no class.)
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To: forty_years

Moral of the story.. Don’t see a psychiatrist..


21 posted on 05/03/2013 3:31:47 PM PDT by cardinal4 (Constitution? What Constitution?)
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To: bankwalker

Damn..


22 posted on 05/03/2013 3:37:16 PM PDT by cardinal4 (Constitution? What Constitution?)
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To: forty_years

The bottom line? Any psychiatrist who failed to report all of his patients to the NICS system risks losing everything if any of them engages in harmful conduct. Soon the rule of thumb will be: See a shrink; lose your guns.

Gay folks and Trannys often see shrinks, does this mean they will all be unarmed soon, if so don;t you think they will make attractive targets for inner city thugs to mug?


23 posted on 05/03/2013 3:38:35 PM PDT by GraceG
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To: bankwalker

Wow...that was heavy and every wet behind the ears kid needs to see it


24 posted on 05/03/2013 3:43:14 PM PDT by BornToBeAmerican (Don't forget love)
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To: cardinal4

Moral of the story.. Don’t see a psychiatrist..

Of course this all causes problem of people who may NEED to shrink to no seek out a shrink to get their brains shrunk so we will see an increas in mental disorders and possibly more violence as a result.....

Liberals and unintended consequences.... very much well known bedfellows...


25 posted on 05/03/2013 3:43:28 PM PDT by GraceG
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To: boatbums

My “Annual Medicare Physical Exam” is scheduled for May 15th.

I think this questionnaire is new as I don’t remember (? :) anything like it last year.

I look forward to answering this questionnaire. Fun and games like the census. An opportunity to answer questions with N/A and NYB.


26 posted on 05/03/2013 3:44:12 PM PDT by upchuck (To the faceless, jack-booted government bureaucrat who just scanned this post: SCREW YOU!)
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To: forty_years
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27 posted on 05/03/2013 3:46:43 PM PDT by MtnMan101
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To: forty_years

This is the way African fascist dictators do things. With the stroke of a pen and a pistol aimed at your temple.


28 posted on 05/03/2013 3:48:21 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (I got expelled from the "fundamental transformation" indoctrination center.)
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To: cardinal4; All
I used to insist that if you want justice, avoid the judicial system... and if you want to stay healthy stay away from the doctor. Anymore there is, obviously, a government/medical industrial complex... It's the next wave of intrusion into our lives and usurpation of our rights. I see this newest ad on the television set with the guy from The Matrix pedalling software and technology for electronic medical record keeping and basically plugging into a collective in the name of health. This is GE crap... combined with 0bamaCare and more and more intrusion all I am left to say is that if you want to stay healthy and retain your God-given rights as a Human Being, WHAT EVER YOU DO, DO NOT EVER GO TO THE DOCTOR. I am seriously at the point of going to Chicago and getting some Black Market "merchandise" off some crackhead ghetto gansta thug, then not bothering with any permitting and registration. What? The cops are going to search the trunk of my car? Not without a F***ING WARRANT. I am going to be treated like a criminal because I cried once at my Grandmother's funeral? F*** it, I may as well be one. Gotta go... someone's knocking at my door... F*** YOU! Seriously, this is getting worse and worse
29 posted on 05/03/2013 3:51:56 PM PDT by Rodamala
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To: forty_years

And then what does he intend to do with them? Sell them to drug cartels or islamic militants?


30 posted on 05/03/2013 3:53:29 PM PDT by Hotlanta Mike ("Governing a great natiorn is like cooking a small fish - too much handling will spoil it." Lao Tzu)
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To: forty_years

Try to get someone who is genuinely mentally ill and dangerous committed to a medical facility. It’s near impossible these days. The reason is a physician and a judge both have to find the individual incompetent. There have been so many lawsuits over forced confinement that it’s very unlikely you’ll find a doctor and judge in the same jurisdiction willing to take the risk.


31 posted on 05/03/2013 3:54:43 PM PDT by Brad from Tennessee (A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.)
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To: forty_years

There must be a call to action for the communists. The activity seems very coordinated.


32 posted on 05/03/2013 3:59:14 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do ithat when I have a fire.)
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To: forty_years

How does a regulation bypass a law?

man we are so screwed up


33 posted on 05/03/2013 4:00:28 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do ithat when I have a fire.)
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To: forty_years

“Let the HHS know how you feel”

Come November 2014 I will.


34 posted on 05/03/2013 4:01:34 PM PDT by MeganC (You can take my gun when you can grab it with your cold, dead fingers.)
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To: forty_years

2nd Amendment bump for later.......


35 posted on 05/03/2013 4:19:20 PM PDT by indthkr
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To: forty_years

Note the people with Obama signs in their yard, anonymous calls will be made about them telling me they have seen a shrink and all about their neat-o gun collection.....

Payback is a &^%&%!

Sauce for the goose...


36 posted on 05/03/2013 4:22:18 PM PDT by GraceG
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To: forty_years

So have we had an outbreak of suicidal doctors?


37 posted on 05/03/2013 4:28:34 PM PDT by cherokee1 (skip the names---just kick the buttz)
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To: forty_years

I do not have to comply with Executive Orders since I am not employed by any part of that branch of government. In fact, I am not a government employee. Only Congress can make laws. Obama can’t.


38 posted on 05/03/2013 4:28:54 PM PDT by GingisK
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To: GeorgeWashingtonsGhost
Would be much wiser to complain to a Senator..

Not MY senators!!

39 posted on 05/03/2013 4:30:00 PM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: forty_years

Let it be known here and now.

I am quite content with myself, and my significant other.

I do not, nor have ever, nor will give room for question nor debate on:
1. Constitutional issues, which I believe shall be decided in the ballot box.
2. Political issues, which are between me and my God.
3. Familial issues, which are between family members, only.
4. Any subjective electronically generated questioning from the federal government.
5. Social issues that include any gender-bending, gender-substitution, or gender-revocation by the owner of that human body, in question.
6. Military issues, past or present, unless the 20-year disclosure period has expired, and only then, on a need to know basis.

Thank you for your time and concern. Now, quietly go away, please!


40 posted on 05/03/2013 4:35:53 PM PDT by Terry L Smith
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To: forty_years

Both Republicans and Democrats in Congress passed the VAWA with the urging of feminist organizations both communist and corporate, state bar associations and many other constituent groups and corporations.

Some 15 million good American men and women in family rights efforts took notice. Others falsely ridiculed them and took the biggest step toward the government they deserved. Remember that, as the near future unfolds.

The Emerson Case
http://www.ejfi.org/emerson.htm


41 posted on 05/03/2013 4:51:12 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: forty_years

Communist Goals (1963) Congressional Record—Appendix, pp. A34-A35 January 10, 1963

#29. Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old-fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to cooperation between nations on a worldwide basis.

http://rense.com/general32/americ.htm


42 posted on 05/03/2013 4:53:53 PM PDT by Mortrey (Impeach President Soros)
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To: forty_years
Sometimes trying to fly under the radar leads to flying into groundfire.

Sometimes doing end-arounds leads to being crushed out-of-bounds for a big loss.

43 posted on 05/03/2013 4:57:31 PM PDT by bunkerhill7 (("The Second Amendment has no limits on firepower"-NY State Senator Kathleen A. Marchione.))
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To: onyx; Squantos; Jim Robinson; Eaker; Travis McGee

Lifetime NRA, lifetime GOA. Puts me on a list somewhere. I’m also LEA.

Crap, guess everybody hates me.

Good thing we don’t watch TV here, or I’d hate me too.


44 posted on 05/03/2013 5:27:06 PM PDT by glock rocks ("If not us, who? If not now, when?" - Ronald Reagan)
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To: forty_years




45 posted on 05/03/2013 5:41:33 PM PDT by glock rocks ("If not us, who? If not now, when?" - Ronald Reagan)
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To: forty_years

Doctors are already asking patients if they own guns


46 posted on 05/03/2013 5:44:06 PM PDT by formosa
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To: bankwalker
This is causing quite a stir - making the gun control freaks heads explode.

Wow. That's one powerful public service announcement. Too bad it's making the gun control freaks' heads explode. You'd think that after watching that, they'd have an epiphany.

47 posted on 05/03/2013 5:46:17 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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Please don't let this happen.

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48 posted on 05/03/2013 6:13:59 PM PDT by RedMDer (May we always be happy and may our enemies always know it. - Sarah Palin, 10-18-2010)
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To: glock rocks

God bless and keep you.


49 posted on 05/03/2013 6:50:48 PM PDT by onyx (Please Support Free Republic - Donate Monthly! If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, Let Me know!)
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To: bankwalker

Excellent


50 posted on 05/03/2013 6:55:06 PM PDT by kinsman redeemer (The real enemy seeks to devour what is good.)
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