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Russian intelligence and the Boston Marathon bombing
worldtribune.com ^ | May 2, 2013 | Cliff Kincaid

Posted on 05/03/2013 7:45:45 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe

Edited on 05/03/2013 8:23:46 PM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

The claim that the Russians somehow “warned” the U.S. about Tamerlan Tsarnaev’s radical Islamic connections has been accepted by most news organizations and commentators as established fact. But while U.S. intelligence agencies have a lot to explain, the Russian security services have been treated with kid gloves and even as the “good guys” in this affair.

Russian media, including the English-language propaganda channel Russia Today (RT), have been insisting that the U.S. is to blame for the Boston bombings because vague “warnings” from Moscow were ignored. Boston-Marathon-Explo_Horo-13-e1366502918189 It is reminiscent of when Lee Harvey Oswald, a pro-Castro Marxist who had traveled back and forth to Russia, assassinated President John F. Kennedy, and the Russian KGB promptly launched a disinformation campaign in the media blaming right-wingers in Dallas and the CIA for the murder. [snip]


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1 posted on 05/03/2013 7:45:45 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe
One thing is certain: Obama has used the attacks to seek closer cooperation with the Putin regime.

what did you give away this time odumbo

2 posted on 05/03/2013 7:53:41 PM PDT by bigheadfred
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To: Tailgunner Joe

The US has much more in common with Russia than with most other countries. Russia has a big problem with Islamic fundamentalists in Chechnya and within their own borders. The intelligence they gathered on this American jihadist was quite good. The politically correct manner in which Federal agencies handle this information is what is at fault here. BTW as China seeks hegemony over Asia, either the US pulls out entirely (which it should) or a rational post Obama America teams up with a resurgent German-Russian axis.


3 posted on 05/03/2013 7:56:23 PM PDT by allendale
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To: Tailgunner Joe; OwenKellogg; bunster; thouworm; maggief; onyx; AllAmericanGirl44; ...

Boston Bombing Ping!


4 posted on 05/03/2013 8:15:43 PM PDT by penelopesire (TIME FOR OBAMA TO ANSWER FOR BENGHAZI UNDER OATH!!)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Litvenenko converted to islam some time before he died. That doesn’t automatically mean that some or all of his claims are untrue, just suspect, IMHO. I have no doubt that Russia was brutal in Chechnya, but that doesn’t excuse the demonic actions of many islamofacist ‘soldiers’ either.


5 posted on 05/03/2013 8:16:17 PM PDT by Amberdawn
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Thanks for posting this, I always value reading Kincaid’s perspective. One sobering thought I have after reading this is that, wherever the truth in the Tsarnaev case lies, in general, the Obama administration likely lacks sufficient counterintelligence capability to discern Russian cooperation from propaganda. Likewise on anything China tells them about North Korea. Intelligence—in any sense of the word—is not this administration’s strong point.


6 posted on 05/03/2013 8:17:10 PM PDT by Fedora
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To: Amberdawn
I have no doubt that Russia was brutal in Chechnya...

What would you expect the Russians to do?

Have diversity training classes?

7 posted on 05/03/2013 8:18:47 PM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood ("Arjuna, why have you have dropped your bow???")
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To: Mears

bfl


8 posted on 05/03/2013 8:19:20 PM PDT by Mears
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood

No, just stop indiscriminately shelling every building whether it housed civilians or not.


9 posted on 05/03/2013 8:23:30 PM PDT by Amberdawn
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Lessee, do we trust the MSM, American intelligence, Jamestown, Russian intelligence, CAIR, Cliff or our lyin' eyes?

Interesting, the supposed need to frame Islamists for events of Islamic terror.

10 posted on 05/03/2013 9:27:17 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: Amberdawn

You expect them to politely knock and ask if there are terrorists at home?


11 posted on 05/03/2013 9:38:40 PM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood ("Arjuna, why have you have dropped your bow???")
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood

Lol! No, I just expect them to fight like MEN, not animals.


12 posted on 05/03/2013 11:05:58 PM PDT by Amberdawn
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks Tailgunner Joe.


13 posted on 05/03/2013 11:36:12 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: Amberdawn

War is hell.


14 posted on 05/04/2013 12:23:43 AM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood ("Arjuna, why have you have dropped your bow???")
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To: Fedora
A trust gap remains between U.S. and Russian intelligence services, former Cold War rivals. U.S. officials said they consider counterterrorism information from Moscow's bitter conflict with Islamic militants in Chechnya and other parts of the volatile north Caucasus especially suspect.

A little more than three years ago top Boston FBI agent Richard DesLauriers, the same man running the bombing investigation, took part in an FBI operation code-named "Ghost Stories" in which 10 people were rounded up because the United States believed they were Russian spies.

Two of those people, Donald Heathfield and Ann Foley, were arrested in Cambridge, Massachusetts, about a mile west of the house the Tsarnaevs lived in. All 10 were handed over to Russia in a carefully choreographed exchange for four Russians who had been jailed for working for western governments. - Boston bombing suspect in prison, brother's body unclaimed


15 posted on 05/04/2013 1:28:01 AM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe
The obvious question in this case is: If the Russian intelligence agencies were suspicious of the brother’s terror ties, why did they not arrest and imprison him?

Through social network monitoring in late 2010, Russian officials noted ties between increasingly radical Tamerlan and William Plotnikov, a Russian born Canadian boxer, Islam convert and member of the terrorist organization Caucasus Emirate in Dagestan. Jan. 12, 2012, Tamerlan flew to Russia. His father, Anzor claims he stayed with him at the family home in Dagestan the whole time but Anzor wasn't there most of the time. July 14, 2012, Plotnikov was one of several insurgents killed in a battle with Russian security forces. Russia speculated Tamerlan may have been involved with Plotnikov so were searching for him but he flew out of the country two days later.

16 posted on 05/04/2013 6:19:44 AM PDT by bgill (The problem is...no one is watching the Watch List!)
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood

So you approve of wholesale killing...I’l remember that.


17 posted on 05/04/2013 8:59:23 AM PDT by Amberdawn
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To: Amberdawn

War is hell... remember that...

The Russians could have wiped them out completely... Russian military operations are not my problem, I’m concerned with our own and the US borders...

Pick up a rifle and go tell them about it, leave me out of it.


18 posted on 05/04/2013 9:11:43 AM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood ("Arjuna, why have you have dropped your bow???")
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood

Oh, I see, having made objectionable comments, you now want to drop the subject.


19 posted on 05/04/2013 9:35:01 AM PDT by Amberdawn
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To: Amberdawn

You think there weren’t times during WWII where we fought like “animals” against the Japs and Nazis?


20 posted on 05/04/2013 9:37:01 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator

I know it, I don’t think it. My point is that one can kill the enemy “honorably”, not cut their throats and leave them to suffer while filming it.


21 posted on 05/04/2013 9:40:06 AM PDT by Amberdawn
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To: Amberdawn

It’s the only language the Islamists understand.


22 posted on 05/04/2013 9:41:29 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Amberdawn

No, you just don’t know what you are talking about...


23 posted on 05/04/2013 2:38:06 PM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood ("Arjuna, why have you have dropped your bow???")
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood

HA HA HA HA HA!


24 posted on 05/04/2013 3:23:51 PM PDT by Amberdawn
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To: bgill

How was he able to board a plane and leave Russia if the Russian authorities were searching for him?


25 posted on 05/04/2013 6:58:45 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe

You’ll have to ask the KGB. Maybe they’re as bad as us for getting people on the list. Who’s to say he flew out of a Russian airport?


26 posted on 05/04/2013 7:15:35 PM PDT by bgill (The problem is...no one is watching the Watch List!)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Nice catch. It’d be hard to imagine Heathfield’s handlers not being aware of the Tsarnaevs operating in their territory; which also raises the question of what the Bureau would’ve learned when Heathfield was arrested.


27 posted on 05/04/2013 11:14:09 PM PDT by Fedora
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