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Pentagon Changes Mind, Says Soldiers Can Share Faith
The New American ^ | May 4, 2013 | Dave Bohon

Posted on 05/04/2013 9:23:11 AM PDT by EXCH54FE

Following an uproar over a Defense Department statement saying that military personnel could be court-martialed for sharing their faith, the Pentagon has backed down on that position and now says soldiers are free to proselytize, as long as they don't harass others. “Service members can share their faith,” clarified Navy Lieutenant Commander Nate Christensen in a statement, “but must not force unwanted, intrusive attempts to convert others of any faith or no faith to one's beliefs.”

The Defense Department had released an alarming statement saying: “Religious proselytization is not permitted within the Department of Defense.... Court martials and non-judicial punishments are decided on a case-by-case basis.” That statement appeared to come as the result of an April 24 meeting between military officials and Mikey Weinstein of the atheist group Military Religious Freedom Foundation, in which Weinstein pressured Air Force officials to enforce a policy that supposedly bans Air Force personnel from openly expressing their religious faith. The Defense Department has reportedly turned to Weinstein's group to hammer out policies on religious expression in the military.

Weinstein has gained notoriety for his aggressive campaign to sanitize the military of overt faith expressions by service members. He told Fox News that “until the Air Force or Army or Navy or Marine Corps punishes a member of the military for unconstitutional religious proselytizing and oppression, we will never have the ability to stop this horrible, horrendous, dehumanizing behavior.” Weinstein was referring to examples of supposed religious persecution within the ranks, and said that his group “would love to see hundreds of prosecutions to stop this outrage of fundamentalist religious persecution.”

The outcry from chaplains and religious leaders over Weinstein's rhetoric prompted the Defense Department to issue its updated statement backing down from implying that service members might be targeted for sharing their faith.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bho44; bhodod; christians; nevermind; pentagonreligion
“Members of our military should not be denied the very freedoms they fight to defend,” explained ADF Legal Counsel Joseph La Rue. “Freedom of religion and speech are paramount among those freedoms.”
1 posted on 05/04/2013 9:23:11 AM PDT by EXCH54FE
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To: EXCH54FE

Backed down for now, until they can find a more subtle way of doing it.


2 posted on 05/04/2013 9:25:53 AM PDT by PoloSec ( Believe the Gospel: how that Christ died for our sins, was buried and rose again)
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To: EXCH54FE

Weekend news dump .. spineless undermining pukes.


3 posted on 05/04/2013 9:26:29 AM PDT by tomkat
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To: EXCH54FE

Ya see folks! All we have to do is have faith!!

Never cave!!


4 posted on 05/04/2013 9:27:01 AM PDT by mylife (Opinions $1, Half Baked Ideas 50c)
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To: EXCH54FE

yeah this whole issue was, in my estimation, totally contrived. So now Christians can share their faith, and it should apply to gays, wiccins atheists etc to persuade soldier of the benefits of a gay wiccins atheist lifestyle.............


5 posted on 05/04/2013 9:27:14 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: EXCH54FE
“until the Air Force or Army or Navy or Marine Corps punishes a member of the military for unconstitutional religious proselytizing and oppression,

Mikely. there is no such thing as unconstitutional religious proselytizing by a member of ANY organization.

6 posted on 05/04/2013 9:27:22 AM PDT by Fzob (In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock. Jefferson)
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To: EXCH54FE

Reminds me of Clinton’s feminizing of the military.

When he tried it on the Top Marine the man replied “Sir, we don’t do that.”

Clinton, flummoxed, asked why.

“Because we’re the Marine Corps, Sir” he was told.


7 posted on 05/04/2013 9:28:10 AM PDT by To-Whose-Benefit? (It is Error alone which needs the support of Government. The Truth can stand by itself.)
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To: EXCH54FE

Good on Joe La Rue.


8 posted on 05/04/2013 9:28:20 AM PDT by mylife (Opinions $1, Half Baked Ideas 50c)
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To: EXCH54FE
...for unconstitutional religious proselytizing and oppression...

How about first pointing out where the courts determined that was unconstitutional?

9 posted on 05/04/2013 9:31:19 AM PDT by 0.E.O
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To: EXCH54FE
“but must not force unwanted, intrusive attempts to convert others of any faith or no faith to one’s beliefs.”

So the Libeal demoRats must not force unwanted, intrusive...

Hypocrites!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

10 posted on 05/04/2013 9:34:30 AM PDT by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: EXCH54FE

Who ever thought we’d see the day that atheists and homosexuals would be running the Pentagon? Sad. America has really fallen.


11 posted on 05/04/2013 9:40:51 AM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (I got expelled from the "fundamental transformation" indoctrination center.)
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To: EXCH54FE

I’ve noticed that those who are opposed to Christ, tend to react to any Christian statement, with proclamation “they don’t believe in it!” or “That is your faith, not mine.” or “ I don’t believe in demons (or angels)(or God)”, but in the same breath they seek spirituality.

I have considered that perhaps they follow a worldly taught perspective that Christian beliefs aren’t based upon reality, but upon fairy tales, yet this isn’t consistent with their manifest perspective, though it might be one of many arguments they advance.


12 posted on 05/04/2013 9:42:43 AM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: EXCH54FE

My instant solution for all Christian soldiers was to tell them to get prayer rugs, face Mecca and pray the rosary or Christian prayers 5 times a day. What WOULD the Pentagon have done then? We all know it wouldn’t have applied to Muslims. I’m afraid the Trojan horse is not only here, but is being fed and runs things.


13 posted on 05/04/2013 9:49:23 AM PDT by ClearBlueSky (When anyone says its not about Islam...it's about Islam. That death cult must be eradicated.Do what)
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To: EXCH54FE

Awhhh...you mean that I’m not allowed to drag someone into church and force him to become a Christian?


14 posted on 05/04/2013 9:53:54 AM PDT by Stark_GOP
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To: PoloSec
Backed down for now, until they can find a more subtle way of doing it.

Correct, this isn't over. The rabid anti-Christian bigot Mikey Weinstein has gotten his foot in the door with the DOD.

It's disheartening to know that the Pentagon has given such a cretin as much as the time of day.

15 posted on 05/04/2013 9:55:52 AM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: PoloSec

“Backed down for now, until they can find a more subtle way of doing it.”

Yeh no kidding. What did they think was going to happen when they came out with this new policy? Its like they don’t live in the same universe as the rest of us. Probably 80% of the people in the military are Christians. 80% of the American public identifies themselves as christians for God’s sake.

All this stuff comes from the Muslim in the Whitehut.


16 posted on 05/04/2013 9:57:02 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: EXCH54FE

Weinstein doesn’t actually understand the reasoning for the separation of church and state.


17 posted on 05/04/2013 9:59:20 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: 0.E.O

Sorry, when did We the People stop being the start/end-all for all laws? Co-equal branches and all, let alone Congress delegating what can(not) be argued in court?

Course, that means I still believe Congress should be removing judges that overstep their duties and/or start making laws from the bench....I know, silly me.


18 posted on 05/04/2013 10:00:00 AM PDT by i_robot73 (We hold that all individuals have the Right to exercise sole dominion over their own lives - LP.org)
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To: mountainlion

They probably figured that a demoralized soldier is less likely to protect his fag brothers in arms. Liberals’s thinking: just in case there is a God we’d better let them pray to protect our homo brothers so they can be Scout leaders, schoolteachers, and SCOTUS later.


19 posted on 05/04/2013 10:00:39 AM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: EXCH54FE

..contrived news story to begin with to take the headlines leading up to Benghazi off front page


20 posted on 05/04/2013 10:00:42 AM PDT by Doogle (USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: mylife

Though the war, torturous and life-shattering, lies yet ahead of us. God or allah?


21 posted on 05/04/2013 10:01:16 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: EXCH54FE
I don't believe HR Pufenstuf is real, and I am not bothered in the least if other people want to talk about HR Pufenstuf as if he is real.

What sense does it make to be so terrified of that which you insist does not exist.

22 posted on 05/04/2013 10:01:34 AM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: smoothsailing
"It's disheartening to know that the Pentagon has given such a cretin as much as the time of day."

Indeed. The fact that this notion was even brought up says bad things about the current leadership of the military. I don't know if the rot is in the civilian leadership or the military leadership (or both), but it is obvious that it exists.

23 posted on 05/04/2013 10:05:44 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog
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To: PoloSec

What about chaplains?

Still, because it is subjective I find merely expressing Biblical values in one’s walk is enough - even as a silent witness - is enough to anger those opposed to Christianity.
Any overt mention of anything is pushing it. Being around people hostile to Christianity - their hypocrisy knows no bounds. They curse God and push their crap on a person nonstop - or feel free to express their views but they are the sane normal ones and have that right as it’s not dogmatic or religious when they do it.

It it were me I’d be in big trouble as I would definitely get someone riled up enough to submit a complaint. To be smart about it is obviously the way people are gonna have to be. Watch what one says and who is in earshot.

It’s sad. I remember at work when Obama got elected I told people before this guy is out Americans will have to silence their criticism if they don’t want a ton of trouble - just like in other tyrannies.


24 posted on 05/04/2013 10:07:43 AM PDT by Sheapdog (Chew the meat, spit out the bones)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

Not to mention the fact that the political philosophy upon which our founding documents were built were informed by distinctly Judeo-Christian (western) ideas. I would hope that any individual who swore to protect and defend the US (and her constitution) would want to know what the heck it was. Our form of government would never have been envisioned by a Muslim mind.


25 posted on 05/04/2013 10:08:31 AM PDT by Ouchthatonehurt ("When you're going through hell, keep going." - Sir Winston Churchill)
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To: EXCH54FE

I would imagine that for many service members it’s their faith that sustains them in some of the most horrific circumstances, and to suggest that they cannot share their faith is perhaps the most disgusting thing yet that has come out of the Obama Administration.


26 posted on 05/04/2013 10:09:39 AM PDT by AtlasStalled
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To: EXCH54FE

Moslems “Hey Pentagon, youre holding up Sharia Law.”

Pentagon “Oops sorry”


27 posted on 05/04/2013 10:11:57 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Georgia Girl 2

You just don’t see any athiests on the front line
telling dying servicemen, “There is no god.”


28 posted on 05/04/2013 10:14:54 AM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: EXCH54FE

Moslems “Hey Pentagon, youre holding up Sharia Law.”

Pentagon “Oops sorry”


29 posted on 05/04/2013 10:15:17 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Wonder Warthog
I don't know if the rot is in the civilian leadership or the military leadership (or both), but it is obvious that it exists.

It most likely originates with civilian leadership, which would be expected. What is troubling is the apparent lack of push back from the brass.

30 posted on 05/04/2013 10:16:13 AM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: Wonder Warthog; smoothsailing

I have to believe it’s both. Since the current CinC took office, for the most part, the leadership in the military seems like they’ve not just obeyed orders but have supported his “change” thing.


31 posted on 05/04/2013 10:18:14 AM PDT by jazusamo ("Mercy to the guilty is cruelty to the innocent." -- Adam Smith)
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To: smoothsailing

You may have stated it better than I with the apparent lack of pushback from the brass.


32 posted on 05/04/2013 10:21:18 AM PDT by jazusamo ("Mercy to the guilty is cruelty to the innocent." -- Adam Smith)
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33 posted on 05/04/2013 10:25:29 AM PDT by RedMDer (May we always be happy and may our enemies always know it. - Sarah Palin, 10-18-2010)
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To: EXCH54FE
Pentagon Changes Mind, Says Soldiers Can Share Faith

That's the end of it? NOT BY A LONG SHOT!

Has anyone seen a copy of the original order? Who signed it?
Where did it originate? How high or low was the originator of this stupidity?

Yes, this is a big deal. The Fourth and Second Amendments are well under attack for years now.
This time they are attacking the First.
Are "they" systematically dismantling the Bill of Rights one at a time?

Who are "they?"
They are likely appointed bureaucrats or czars empowered to do what neither Courts nor the Congress would dare. They all enjoy the fatal combination of arrogance and stupidity, and count on the anonymity of a growing gigantic bureaucracy.

An FOI request by the proper person(s) in Congress can force an immediate answer. Whoever the responsible party or "committee" is they should be gone immediately, and banned from direct or indirect governmental positions permanently.

Enough is enough.

34 posted on 05/04/2013 10:27:00 AM PDT by publius911 (Look for the Union label, then buy something else.)
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To: mylife
Never give up!!!


35 posted on 05/04/2013 10:37:05 AM PDT by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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To: PoloSec
As long as they are bringing in this Weinstein character they'll continue to come up with the wrong answer.

Frankly, he's created such dissension and disorder in the ranks it'd probably be best to hang him.

36 posted on 05/04/2013 10:44:06 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: jazusamo

It sure looks like the military leadership is devolving in to a bunch of CYA girlymen.


37 posted on 05/04/2013 10:44:39 AM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: smoothsailing

We cannot let these snakes go back to hide in the grass to strike again. We need to find out the members of the DoD leadership that were behind this and “Alinsky” them. We need to protest them at their homes, places of worship, call them out at any public event, write articles, see if we can get them booted from fraternal organizations that they belong to, etc.


38 posted on 05/04/2013 10:45:08 AM PDT by WMarshal (Free citizen, never a subject or a civilian)
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To: EXCH54FE

So many mixed messages in this new PC world.

It is difficult to keep.


39 posted on 05/04/2013 10:47:02 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: jsanders2001

You got to demoralize the military and get a full corps of “Citizen Soldiers” to do the brown boot brown shirt thing against the people!


40 posted on 05/04/2013 10:56:12 AM PDT by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: EXCH54FE

Force?


41 posted on 05/04/2013 10:56:40 AM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: EXCH54FE
I don't like this at all. Keep your faith to yourself. The worst I had it in the Navy was a party I was invited to (I was young around 18) and these fundamentalists started “preaching” to me. I told them I was Catholic and they did not care. Finally I yelled loudly at them and the whole party stopped and wondered what was going on. It was one of the most uncomfortable situations in my entire life. Scary as heck. Everyone should practice their religion but when someone tells you they are not interested, you should IMMEDIATELY shut the heck up and go about your business.
42 posted on 05/04/2013 10:57:14 AM PDT by napscoordinator (Santorum-Bachmann 2016 for the future of the Country!)
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To: PoloSec

Hey, we’ll take the victories while we can get them.


43 posted on 05/04/2013 10:59:55 AM PDT by stevio (God, guns, guts.)
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To: PoloSec

This needs to be codified. Congress needs to pass a law specifically addressing this. Yes, I know the Constitution should be enough, but it isn’t for these clowns running things. They need to allow the chaplains to use the name of Jesus if they so choose not just make spiritual “suggestions” as well as allow people to worship as they choose.


44 posted on 05/04/2013 11:01:29 AM PDT by Waryone (Trust the Lord not your own understanding. Acknowledge Him. He will direct your path.)
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To: EXCH54FE

OH really?


45 posted on 05/04/2013 11:14:09 AM PDT by onyx (Please Support Free Republic - Donate Monthly! If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, Let Me know!)
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46 posted on 05/04/2013 11:15:29 AM PDT by onyx (Please Support Free Republic - Donate Monthly! If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, Let Me know!)
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To: EXCH54FE

Muslims must be complaining.


47 posted on 05/04/2013 11:28:24 AM PDT by pallis
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To: EXCH54FE

the cats already out of the bag

there are progressive busy bodies at the pentagon’s highest levels


48 posted on 05/04/2013 11:40:59 AM PDT by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: smoothsailing
"It most likely originates with civilian leadership, which would be expected. What is troubling is the apparent lack of push back from the brass."

I concur on your second point. VERY troubling. What seems to be happening is that leftist administrations pack the lower levels of the civilian bureaucracy with mental and philosophical clones of themselves, and when the 'Pubbies come in, they fail to "clean house" and play the "bipartisan game". And as those lower-level players become higher-level players, they push for "like thinkers" to man the military side as well.

I'm actually beginning to think that the old "spoils system" might be better.

49 posted on 05/04/2013 3:24:21 PM PDT by Wonder Warthog
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