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Syria crisis: UN's del Ponte says evidence rebels 'used sarin'
BBC ^ | May 6, 2013 | Not attributed to an author

Posted on 05/06/2013 5:30:47 AM PDT by don-o

Testimony from victims of the Syrian conflict suggests rebels have used the nerve agent sarin, according to a leading United Nations investigator.

Carla del Ponte told Swiss TV there were "strong, concrete suspicions but not yet incontrovertible proof".

However, she said her panel had not yet seen evidence of government forces using chemical weapons.

Syria has recently come under growing Western pressure over the alleged use of such weapons.

Ms del Ponte, who serves on the UN Independent International Commission of Inquiry on Syria, said in an interview with Swiss-Italian TV: "Our investigators have been in neighbouring countries interviewing victims, doctors and field hospitals.

(Excerpt) Read more at bbc.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: carladelponte; crisis; delponte; evidence; maheralassad; rebels; sarin; syria; syrian; thebrotherdidit; un

1 posted on 05/06/2013 5:30:47 AM PDT by don-o
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To: don-o

Yet John McCain is in a desperate rush to arm “The right people” but hasn’t gotten around to telling us who they are.


2 posted on 05/06/2013 5:41:47 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: don-o

Interesting, in light of the Obama regime person who said it’s none of our business if the Syrian regime uses sarin on its own people.

But what if it is the terrorists that the Obama regime is arming? As appears to be what the UN is saying. How did the thugs get access to sarin?


3 posted on 05/06/2013 6:00:42 AM PDT by butterdezillion (,)
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To: don-o

This story makes me wonder if Israel suspected that Iranian missiles are equipped to deliver WMD’s such as sarin, and are being transferred to Hezbollah so they can be used against Israel.

This article says that the UN spoke to people in neighboring countries, which is how they have the evidence of sarin being used. How would the rebels distribute sarin so that it ended up in neighboring countries? Do the rebels have planes? Can something like that be disbursed through shoulder-fired rockets or something like that?


4 posted on 05/06/2013 6:09:01 AM PDT by butterdezillion (,)
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To: butterdezillion
What we do know is that they didn't get the sairn from supplies snuck out of Iraq to Syria. Bush lied. /s
5 posted on 05/06/2013 6:17:07 AM PDT by D Rider
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To: don-o

Obamarin.


6 posted on 05/06/2013 6:22:06 AM PDT by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (Vendetta))
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To: butterdezillion

There exist an interesting series of pictures of technicals evidently used for laying down gas. A howitzer equipped with something like a gas-protected sort of tent.

Used by Iran against the North. We have the shots, but they’re virtually unknown.


7 posted on 05/06/2013 6:29:10 AM PDT by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (Vendetta))
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To: don-o
So, McRino, can be bomb the rebels and arm Assad now?
8 posted on 05/06/2013 6:55:16 AM PDT by ricmc2175
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To: Hardraade

How fast does sarin act? Is it a thing where the person who disperses it would have to be protected or else they would die before they could finish the job - like if they were in a crop-duster? How likely is it that if the rebels used sarin they had delivery systems from somebody higher, like Iran or (gag) Obama?


9 posted on 05/06/2013 7:48:49 AM PDT by butterdezillion (,)
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To: butterdezillion

For Sarin they’d have to be protected and also carry antidote for emergencies. The antidote is jumbo shots of atropin and doesn’t work all that well.

Often Sarin is laid down in binary form, that is, the load is harmless until it hits the target. But even then, the wind can turn on you.


10 posted on 05/06/2013 9:21:42 AM PDT by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (Vendetta))
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To: Hardraade

Would sarin use usually be detectable in neighboring countries because of the wind?

If so it’s doubly stupid that the Obama regime guy said it’s none of our business if sarin is used on Syrians - unless we’re throwing any of our allies in the area under the bus.

And if Obama is providing the means for the rebels to use sarin, everybody in the area would see it as a steaming pile of poop from Obama, wouldn’t they?


11 posted on 05/06/2013 9:32:48 AM PDT by butterdezillion (,)
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To: Hardraade

Just out of curiosity - is sarin something that could have been brought into Venezuela by Hamas and Hezbollah agents flown on direct flights from Iran? Is it bulky and dangerous even in binary form?


12 posted on 05/06/2013 9:38:11 AM PDT by butterdezillion (,)
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To: Hardraade

Part of the reason I ask about that is because the sudden anti-Obama language of Venezuela’s new communist leader reminds me of the same kind of build-up with Kim Jong Un. Very strange, and it feels staged to me. Chavez was allies with Ahmadinejad, and if trouble is staged with VEnezuela it could provide another potential avenue for Iran to deliver its WMD’s (including anything Syria shipped to Iran) to the US in an attack. Of course appearing to be Venezuela instead of Iran.


13 posted on 05/06/2013 9:43:26 AM PDT by butterdezillion (,)
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To: butterdezillion

It’s cheap and even easy to make.

This is an old Army sarin test:

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=5d0_1321136846


14 posted on 05/06/2013 9:48:15 AM PDT by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (Vendetta))
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To: Hardraade

Can UAV’s be adjusted to deliver sarin?


15 posted on 05/06/2013 9:48:24 AM PDT by butterdezillion (,)
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To: don-o; Admin Moderator
Personally I think this article rates a little higher than just 'News/Activism' and 'Current Events', and I'm the guy around FR usually petitioning for articles to be *removed* from 'Breaking News'.

I'd judge this one to be 'Front Page News' at least.

16 posted on 09/06/2013 4:51:08 PM PDT by The KG9 Kid
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To: The KG9 Kid

It’s from May 6. BUT, great find to pull it back into current discussion


17 posted on 09/06/2013 5:03:45 PM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory and He will NOT be mocked! Blessed be the name of the Lord forever!)
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To: cripplecreek

ping to thread from May.


18 posted on 09/06/2013 5:11:18 PM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory and He will NOT be mocked! Blessed be the name of the Lord forever!)
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To: butterdezillion

ping to old thread that is relevant to current events


19 posted on 09/06/2013 5:12:56 PM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory and He will NOT be mocked! Blessed be the name of the Lord forever!)
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To: butterdezillion

This is from May. But, the same idea remains.

Also, according to the UN website. The UN has the ability to see which wmd’s were used. But, cannot say who used them. They are not set up for that. Other organizations can do that. That is why she said ‘strong suspicions’ and did not give an absolute.


20 posted on 09/06/2013 5:25:32 PM PDT by HollyB
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To: The KG9 Kid; Admin Moderator
Russia: Syrian rebels used sarin in Aleppo

THIS is a current thread that confirms the bbc report from may.

21 posted on 09/06/2013 5:26:29 PM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory and He will NOT be mocked! Blessed be the name of the Lord forever!)
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To: Hardraade

That would really get PETAs goat.


22 posted on 09/06/2013 5:36:31 PM PDT by soycd
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To: don-o

Hope Carla keeps an eye ought for drones.


23 posted on 09/06/2013 5:41:56 PM PDT by Thane_Banquo ( Walker 2016)
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To: cripplecreek

Obama, Kerry, McCain....what did they know and when did they know it?

I don’t include Graham because he only knows what McCain knows.


24 posted on 09/06/2013 6:47:28 PM PDT by VerySadAmerican (".....Barrack, and the horse Mohammed rode in on.")
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To: don-o

bttt


25 posted on 09/06/2013 8:07:56 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: don-o

i’M NOT GOING TO SAY, “i TOLD YOU SO”


26 posted on 09/06/2013 8:47:51 PM PDT by Ancient Wonderboy
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To: D Rider

Simply playing devils advocate here: My limited research of both sarin and vx explained that these types of nerve agents degrade rather quickly.

Wikipedia: Sarin degrades after a period of several
weeks to several months. The shelf life can be
shortened by impurities in precursor
materials. According to the CIA, some Iraqi
sarin had a shelf life of only a few weeks,
owing mostly to impure precursors.


27 posted on 09/06/2013 9:04:44 PM PDT by JerseyDvl (Cogito Ergo Doleo Soetoro, ABO and of course FUBO!)
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To: don-o

It actually doesn’t matter who is using the sarin. All that matters is that public opinion is swayed sufficiently for the Unites States to inject disruptive force to effect regime change, for as yet unelaborated purposes.


28 posted on 09/06/2013 9:25:12 PM PDT by CMB_polarization
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To: butterdezillion
As appears to be what the UN is saying. How did the thugs get access to sarin?

The imaginary sarin was shipped to Syria along with convoys of other imaginary WMDs by Saddam Hussein prior to the US invasion of Iraq. The liberal Democrats will back this up, because there were no WMDs in Iraq and Bush blundered America into war based on bad intel that he knew was bad intel all along. ("Bush lied and people died", etc.)

Therefore, there can't possibly be any gas or nerve agents (AKA, "WMDs") in Syria.
Except for Ubama's imaginary ones.

29 posted on 09/06/2013 9:32:13 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: JerseyDvl

Useful information!


30 posted on 09/07/2013 12:19:44 AM PDT by Paul R. (We are in a break in an Ice Age. A brief break at that...)
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