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Single Moms Are Making Us Broke, Says Joe Soucheray
St. Paul Pioneer Press ^ | 05/06/13 | Joe Soucheray

Posted on 05/06/2013 8:48:55 AM PDT by mn-bush-man

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To: Obadiah
Not many higher sainted words than: “I’m a single mom...”

Those used to be words of shame. Now they're almost always spoken with arrogant pride, as though getting knocked up by some deadbeat were some kind of achievement.

41 posted on 05/06/2013 12:11:26 PM PDT by ek_hornbeck
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To: 11th Commandment; All

Huge issue, because conservative don’t want to be supporting unwed mothers, but they also want to abolish Planned Parenthood. They want to forbid abortion, but deny food stamps, WIC and Medicaid once the baby is born. If we don’t talk about it, no reasonable solutions will be found.

42 posted on 05/06/2013 1:39:59 PM PDT by gleeaikin
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To: gleeaikin
Huge issue, because conservative don’t want to be supporting unwed mothers, but they also want to abolish Planned Parenthood. They want to forbid abortion, but deny food stamps, WIC and Medicaid once the baby is born. If we don’t talk about it, no reasonable solutions will be found.

Liberals do not want to talk about it because this truth destroys their narrative about who and why comprises the majority of welfare. Welfare assistance will drop by 2/3rds if we could eliminate single parent births, poverty would decline the same and crime would be cut in half.

Your argument about conservatives is not fair because you assume the only solutions can be provided by government. There are many charities that conservatives support that promote abstinence which are roundly mocked by liberals and the media. Then there are conservatives that promote charities that provide assistance to young expecting mothers to promote adoption; however, government racist rules and laws that demand minority babies be placed with minority couples severely impede these efforts.

43 posted on 05/06/2013 2:19:55 PM PDT by 11th Commandment (
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To: mn-bush-man

Why isn’t it “single dads are making us broke?”

I’m all for calling out unmarried people who procreate and force me to support their children. But the onus is on both parents, not just the moms.

44 posted on 05/06/2013 2:37:42 PM PDT by Blue Ink
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To: 1_Of_We; All

You would also be wrong about the slice of govt. employee payroll and benefits. The big part of the pie is military spending, servicing the national debt, and VA, SS and Medicare costs. I just went to Google and found a site with a fantastic array of(nearly 100) pie charts of govt. spending.

45 posted on 05/06/2013 3:31:21 PM PDT by gleeaikin
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To: LibsRJerks; All

We definitely need to institute Sharia Law. The Muzzies are right. ;-(

46 posted on 05/06/2013 3:33:12 PM PDT by gleeaikin
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To: mn-bush-man; All

Recently there was a political contest in Washington, DC, in which a lawyer Paul Zukerberg pointed out that 2 1/2 as many youth are arrested for minor marijuana possession charges as graduate from DC schools. His big argument is that then these predominantly male youths are then unable to even get many of the jobs they might be able to fill to pay for their children. We are all paying for stupid marijuana laws and incarcerations throughout the country. How much does the Prison Industrial Complex get for our stupid victimless crime laws??

47 posted on 05/06/2013 3:43:02 PM PDT by gleeaikin
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To: mn-bush-man

Lack of a moral center and a belief in God are real culprits here. Single moms, irresponsible fathers are just the canaries in the coal mine. Right now its all about pleasure, do it if it feels good mentality.

48 posted on 05/06/2013 4:01:35 PM PDT by DarkWaters ("Deception is a state of mind --- and the mind of the state" --- James Jesus Angleton)
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To: DarkWaters

True. A God-fearing man would not make use of a woman. He would not want to defile his future wife, or someone else’s. A God-fearing woman would save herself for her future husband. We may not be able to hit this target 100%, but aiming for it would put us in a better state...much better.

49 posted on 05/06/2013 4:24:49 PM PDT by JudyinCanada
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To: GraceG

Re Pre-made Patriot clones:

Sounds like “Star Wars Episode II: Attack of the Clones”...
and, for the record, the clones turned into Stormtroopers...a Lib army if you will...

Things like that never end well for all concerned...

50 posted on 05/06/2013 4:27:02 PM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: mn-bush-man

One of the many costs of shutting down the “patriarchy.” Shutting down much of our manufacturing on US soil is another. Economic collapse and the default process will be some of the more exciting consequences.

Have fun. Enjoy the slide. It’s a collapse caused by political correctness (romanticism/feminism).

51 posted on 05/06/2013 4:32:34 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: mn-bush-man
How Dramatically Did Women's Suffrage Change the Size and Scope of Government?

American Enterprise Institute (AEI) (download links for whole document at bottom of page)

September 1998

University of Chicago Law School, John M. Olin Law & Economics Working Paper No. 60
Journal of Political Economy, Vol. 107, Number 6, Part 1, pp. 1163-1198, December 1999

This paper examines the growth of government during this century as a result of giving women the right to vote. Using cross-sectional time-series data for 1870 to 1940, we examine state government expenditures and revenue as well as voting by U.S. House and Senate state delegations and the passage of a wide range of different state laws. Suffrage coincided with immediate increases in state government expenditures and revenue and more liberal voting patterns for federal representatives, and these effects continued growing over time as more women took advantage of the franchise. Contrary to many recent suggestions, the gender gap is not something that has arisen since the 1970s, and it helps explain why American government started growing when it did.

52 posted on 05/06/2013 4:36:03 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: mn-bush-man

The Presumption Against Marriage

by Bernard Chapin

posted on June 09, 2004

No writer that I know, and I am absolutely no exception, has the right to speak as an authority for all men.  No matter what I say about honor and pride, some guy somewhere is going to spend his last dime on a dominatrix or propose to a coke whore.  There’s no getting around it.  It’s a fact.  We can quibble and pretend dominated males are exceptions, but there are legions of guys out there who will put up with any abuse that a woman sends their way.  That being said, I would like to address this column to those not pining for the submissive’s chair or anxiously awaiting a girl on a white horse who’ll allow them to pay off her car note and college loan without saying thank you.  

The fundamental question is, “Should a man nowadays get married at all?” 

My take on the issue is that the appropriateness of marriage has to be determined on a case by case basis but that presumption, in this day and age, should always be against marriage.  To put it more simply, the tie cannot go to the runner.  Men, when in doubt, walk away.  If you have serious reservations about a woman and you marry her, a number of things may happen.  One of them is good.  Your negative intuition could turn out to be wrong and you’ll end up having a wonderful, blissful life with your bride.  Unfortunately, lots of bad things could happen as well:

1. Your intuition was right and she divorces you.  She thereby acquires half, if not

all, of your assets and possessions.  The state is thoroughly biased against men and seems to have no threshold for its love of male suffering.  This is a very real and tragic possibility.

2. Your intuition is right and she’s unreliable.  You experience strange men calling the house and hanging up should you be the one to reach the phone first.

3. Your intuition is right as your experiment with paying for her college education ends in her befriending evil radical feminists who call the house and scream “rapist” at you as a greeting.  They then follow up this pleasantry with asking if their “play kitty” is home.

4. Your intuition is right and she spends money like a gay party boy on Fire Island leading you slowly but gaily into Chapter 7.

5. Your wonderful children get aborted as she decides they’d take up too much time during the day.

6. You spend all your free time with her at the mall or, far worse, with her family and friends.

Well, you see my point.  It’s bad scenario a-go-go.  So, in the spirit of the boss from the film “Casino”: “Why take a chance?”

That’s easy for me to dismissively say, but then there’s tons of dopes like this writer who are smart enough to know better but then get married anyway.  When I got engaged at Christmas time, Eric Ericson emailed me and said something to the effect of, “Have you lost your mind?”

As it turned out, I had not.  I sanely and soberly weighed the pros versus the cons and determined that this particular woman was unlike all the others I had met and that she gave me the best chance of fulfilling my dream of fathering a couple of little critters and having a faithful, intelligent person as a partner.  Yet, even with such a rational determinations made in advance, the situation changed and in April I found myself in the midst of an ugly soap opera on which I turned out to be only a temporary, non-recurring character.  I was written out of the series before summer hit.  For the future, I’ve decided, that unless its near-perfect, there is no way I’ll get engaged again.

My decision is not respected by many of the women I know who attempt to use what I call “shame-based” therapy as a means of coercing guys like me into finding a wife.  I am at the point where I can vigorously beat back their attempts to manipulate me, but I thought I’d share my responses with the reader in the hopes that my words can be of benefit in case they encounter similar harassment. 

First, I say that the situation had changed with men and women.  It used to be that when a man got married, he got a deal.  A woman would remain faithful to him or, at the very least, cook and clean for him.  You’d get something in exchange for what you brought to the table.  Today, men get very little in comparison with the past.  I have met no end of women who ask in advance if I cook because they themselves do not.  When I tell them that I cook every day, they are quite impressed (although I leave out my belief that pre-made salads, brats, and pizza are the height of fine dining). 

Promiscuity is another issue.  The promiscuity of the modern female makes marriage a very dubious proposition indeed.  Who the heck wants to marry a girl that’s had more sleeping partners than a bed at the Motel 6?  Not me, that’s for sure.  I’d rather die a cold and lonely death than marry a skank; Paul Craig Roberts produced a magnificent column on this phenomenon a few years ago.  I’ve never understood the argument that “all their experiences make them good in bed,” either.  If they’re attractive, how good do they have to be?  If you ask me, no amount of tricks she’s learned can make up for huge “Tyrone” that her ex-boyfriend had tattooed upon her back (and he was smart enough not to marry her).  

Another huge factor to me is the obesity epidemic.  While I acknowledge that it’s not really an epidemic by most definitions, weight increases seem to heavily affect married women.  I’m 34 years old now, and I’ve met countless females who ballooned to MGM proportions after getting hitched.  To me, this is deplorable.  I knew one who showed me a picture of her when she was 22.  She was better looking than most movie stars.  Her body was hard and trim and her face was pure allure, but by age 28 she had gained 65 pounds and wore pants that William Perry could have fit into.  I’d look at her husband sorrowfully when she talked of having children.  The act of conception with her would have required the courage of St. George.  No mere oral dose of Viagra would do.  It would require hypodermic injections to get old Bumpty into Humpity form. 

My last argument is also my most recently derived one.  If it’s at work where I’m getting harassed about my lack of romance (read: susceptibility), and it usually is, I tell them: “I have plenty of masters here.  Why do I need one at home?”  No more accurate words could be spoken.  I’m ordered to do things all day long at work.  When I get home, I want to relax.  I’m not going to waste time doing unnecessary chores or shopping for things I do not need.  The homage we domestically have to pay to our wives is outrageous.  Why are they my boss?  Here’s what I say now, “Let’s take an IQ test and if you win, then you can tell me what to do.”  I’ve had no takers yet, as I’m not giving out a big enough point spread.

In summation, with women, unless they’re without flaw, my advice is to ride the train for as long as you can, but let some other sucker pay for its maintenance and servicing, and always make sure you get off of the route before it reaches matrimonial terminal.              

53 posted on 05/06/2013 4:43:53 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: mn-bush-man

The Presumption Against Marriage, Part II

by Bernard Chapin

posted on June 11, 2004

“Bachelors know more about women than married men.  If they didn’t they’d be married, too.” – H.L. Mencken.

A great sage predicted I’d take some serious abuse for what I wrote about marriage the other day.  He was right, but for the benefit of our readers, I’m going to provide public refutation to some of the arguments and whines that were thrown my way en masse–if nothing else, their vaginations actually strengthened my overall position.

Burn the Heretic!

As I have noted in a previous article, Supine or Fall, whenever a man stands up for himself on gender issues, he is immediately accused by women of being unmanly.  Why?  It’s because we stood up to them, and that’s not right.  That’s not manly.  We’re supposed to let them walk on us.  These women, and those lickspittle male orcs who hobble in their wake, would be wise to remember that the western world now embraces equality between the sexes (at least officially), and that no one should be de facto superior to anyone else.  Walking on men, in theory, is not allowed. 

Furthermore, it’s a man’s duty to define and defend himself, and I can think of no occasion when this is more true than in making personal life choices.  Marriage can be life joy or it can be life sentence, but there’s no room to make allowances for political correctness when thinking deeply about such eventualities.  Why would any women be aghast at our pontificating over it?  Should we not stop to smell a flower before picking it?  I say stop and smell, inspect its structural base, and chemically analyze the ground around it before making a purchase.  Perhaps some women became irate at me because they secretly realize that marriage does not offer men the advantages it once did, so their awareness causes them to go after heretics like myself who threaten to make this knowledge public.

I’ll recall the case of Darren Blacksmith here.  Darren wrote a “just say no to marriage” piece and got kerosene poured all over him.  His offense was such that he quit the business.  Luckily, this would never be my response.  I’m incorrigible.  Harassing me only produces more words.  It’ll take more than a few china dolls to deter me from tackling this subject, and if I keep hearing from them, Part III will be even better than Part II!

Nuance Lost:

As much as I hate the word “nuance,” with its outraged tobacco-addicted, post-modernist French professor connotations, I think that the nuance of my argument was lost on some of my critics.  Emotions run so scarlet on marriage that many a female reader did not understand the point that I was trying to make.  Marriage certainly can be a very good thing and it is, on the aggregate, beneficial for society, but in this day and age, PRESUMPTION must be against it.  Our default position should be–“it’s not a good move.”  That does not mean it isn’t a good move for everybody in every situation.  There are over three billion women on this planet, and many of them could make excellent wives, but you should be vigilant, and nowhere is this more true than in the über-spoiled United States .  Men have too much to lose if things don’t work out.  Think of my friend Robert and the trauma that he went through.  Western independent females, as a rule, do not make the best wives.  They’re too “me” oriented for that line of work.  One must be very careful indeed.  Sit and observe closely before making any decisions. 

Who’s Fault Is This Predicament?

Is it the fault of free marketeers like myself clamoring for government to get more of its vile fingers into our private lives?  Hell no!  Ask the individuals who keep voting for political figures who brag about increasing taxes and adding to the burden with which government sabotages our lives.  Many of those who automatically look to the state to provide solutions are the same ones who complain about the decline of marriage today.  If they didn’t elect redistributionist judges and politicians, men would not fear marriage the way we do.  It shouldn’t be, “if you can’t marry a man, marry the government.”  Let’s change it to “solve problems amongst yourselves.”  I think that’s an ideal solution.  If the divorce courts end their war on men, then we will once again become more friendly regarding matrimonial vows.  Until then, it’s best to harken back to the wisdom of Benjamin Disraeli: “Every woman should marry–and no man.”

An Elite Club:

Women of the sistahood view marriage as being an elite club and want nothing more than full-time membership.  They, whether they deny it or not, admire their friends who are married, and this admiration can sometimes even be transferred onto their friend’s husbands.  Women who are married, even if it’s to users who care nothing about them, are higher on the social plane than women who are single.  This is implicit acknowledgment of the sweet deal many women receive through marriage.  Personally, I do not begrudge them their social hierarchies and care little about affairs apart from my own, but these same women then try to fit guys like me into their social parameters, which is absurd. 

Male Diversity Verboten:

This attempt to coerce men into accepting their worldview is quite disturbing but also rather comical.  Ironically, it indirectly benefits fellows like me as the fact that I’ve been married before makes me seem far more legitimate than most of my friends.  I am a man who could be amenable to their terms and line of reasoning, or non-reasoning as the case may be.  After all, I made the vow once and bought rings twice, so I must be on their wavelength.  Am I not?  Not.[i]  Yet, my friends, like the infamous Dianabol, are knocked out of the box repeatedly because they’ve never been married before.  Why should he be part of the caste of untouchables?  They’d say because he’s a 40 year old perpetual bachelor.  Therefore, he must be a loser.  I even heard a girl say this very thing about him the other day.   She assumed that since he was never married before that there must be something wrong with him.  Why did she not assume that there may be something very right about him?  Dianabol is a prince of man.  He exercises five days a week and drinks for four on the weekends.  He works constantly, makes serious coin, and has an apartment that looks like it came out of “Queer Eye for the Straight Guy.”[ii]  Dianabol’s a profoundly educated man with a high thrill-seeking personality who strikes the great majority of girls as being the epitome of fun, but his uncomplicated (legally speaking only) past precludes him from some of their considerations.  Guess what?  It’s their loss. 

What’s In It For Me?

I found out yesterday that I’m not supposed to be asking this question about marriage.  It appears that many women believe our default position should be “why ask why” on the topic (rather than “why me”).  One girl even called me selfish for putting forth the proposition!  Shouldn’t I be selfish about my own interests?  Maybe I’m not supposed to have any interests.  Perhaps my having interests is really a plot to dehumanize women.  It seems that the message sent is, “you will marry a chick the size of Toronto and you’ll like it!”  Ah, no.  I think I’ll pass.  I don’t want her, you can have her, Toronto ’s too big, and socialistic, for me.   

Contrary to what many a woman may say, I believe that “What’s in it for me?” is the central question one should ask before signing one’s life away.  If you derive no benefit, then run, don’t walk.  Again, of course, there’s the nuance thing, as it’s situational.  My life certainly is worth signing away in a fight against Hitler or Pol Pot, but I refuse to fall down upon my sword in a scrape for Calphalon pots or Lancome makeup. 

Well, you’ve heard what I have to say about the matter, but never forget the triumphant words of Zsa Zsa Gabor before making your own decision, “A man is incomplete until he is married.  Then he is finished.”

[i] Of course, I say that now but got engaged a second time at Christmas.  I suppose if the right youthful Laotian national comes along next year, I may have to eat my above words.  I’m just letting you know in advance due to a history of snap decisions on my part. 

[ii] His ex-girlfriend decorated it!


54 posted on 05/06/2013 4:46:08 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: 11th Commandment
Huge issue that nobody wants to talk about.

Those that did were men of Steel and have all passed on, Judge Bork, Daniel Patrick Moyihan, and if my memory is correct William F. Buckley.

The only one alive that come to mind is Charles Murray...

55 posted on 05/06/2013 4:52:19 PM PDT by taildragger (( Tighten the 5 point harness and brace for Impact Freepers, ya know it's coming..... ))
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To: familyop

Who’s going to argue with you? Do all those wonderful things. Don’t ever marry. Be the king in your home, be your own boss, eat pizza, don’t take no orders from no fat chick.

But the point of this article is STOP FATHERING CHILDREN.

And if you do and the state (i.e., ME) ends up supporting them, you’re the farthest thing from a king — you’re a bum.

56 posted on 05/06/2013 5:42:06 PM PDT by Blue Ink
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To: mn-bush-man; Old Sarge; NorthernCrunchyCon;; Finatic; fellowpatriot; ...

Freep-mail me to get on or off my pro-life and Catholic List:

Add me / Remove me

Please ping me to note-worthy Pro-Life or Catholic threads, or other threads of general interest.

57 posted on 05/06/2013 5:42:56 PM PDT by narses
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To: mn-bush-man

He’s completely wrong. It’s the other way around.

58 posted on 05/06/2013 6:14:28 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: mn-bush-man

This guy is an idiot, and only going to make it worse. He’s taking a symptom and making it the problem.

59 posted on 05/06/2013 6:17:09 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: Blue Ink
Blue Ink wrote:
"But the point of this article is STOP FATHERING CHILDREN."

But the author of the article wrote:
"I would submit that marriage would solve virtually every economic issue facing this country."

[Which would require an end to the foolish no-fault divorce experiment.]

The author further wrote:
"The census demographers said that single motherhood, on the increase since the 1940s, has accelerated mindblowingly. The birth rate for unmarried women in 2007 was up 80 percent in the almost three decades since 1980. Just between 2002 and 2007, it was up 20 percent."

Have fun. Enjoy the slide caused by so-called progressivism and other libertine, socialist errors.

60 posted on 05/06/2013 7:43:25 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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