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All phone calls in the US are recorded and accessible to the government, claims former FBI agent
UK Daily Mail ^ | May 5, 2013 | DAILY MAIL reporter

Posted on 05/06/2013 10:46:41 AM PDT by kiryandil

A former FBI counterterrorism agent has hinted at a vast and intrusive surveillance network used by the U.S. government to monitor its own citizens.

Tim Clemente admitted as much when he appeared on CNN Wednesday night.

Discussing the Boston Marathon attack and past telephone conversations of Katherine Russell and her now deceased husband, suspect Tamerlan Tsarnaev, Clemente said that those conversations would be available to investigators.

Clemente discussed the issue in this exchange with host Erin Burnett, as recorded by the CNN transcript...

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bluffdale; civilliberties; nsa; phone; phonecalls; phonetap; policestate; stellarwind; surveillance; totalinfoawareness; utahdatacenter; williambinney; wiretap
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Just as the Founders envisioned...
1 posted on 05/06/2013 10:46:41 AM PDT by kiryandil
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To: kiryandil

Need to make an open source scrambler device for all my calls now....


2 posted on 05/06/2013 10:48:21 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: kiryandil

I think that’s been pretty much open knowledge since the 1980’s. At least when the NSA used to come and recruit on our campus everyone was pretty much in agreement that that’s what they did. Allegedly they were only supposed to monitor calls going or coming from overseas. The Brits supposedly monitored the ones between two US points. We did the same for calls within the UK and then exchanged information.


3 posted on 05/06/2013 10:50:03 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: kiryandil

I used to work for the Law Enforcement Relations department in a large cell phone company. All sorts of stuff is recorded and stored for at least seven years. This includes your location even if you are not using your phone (as long as it is turned on and you have a signal).

But they don’t record the content of voice calls without a warrant.


4 posted on 05/06/2013 10:50:35 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: kiryandil

What would the memory requirements for this be?

I think they *want* us to think this is possible.

Remember Rules for Radicals #9- “The threat is usually more terrifying than the thing itself...Imagination and ego can dream up many more consequences than any activist....”

I personally don’t believe they could pull off a technological feat of that nature without some sort of major SNAFU that blows the entire telecom system.


5 posted on 05/06/2013 10:50:48 AM PDT by mnehring
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To: GraceG
Need to make an open source scrambler device for all my calls now....

Or pick some agreed upon day when everybody will call a friend at 3:30PM Eastern Time, say the word "bomb" and hang-up...


6 posted on 05/06/2013 10:51:04 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: cuban leaf

Yep, data like call location and times are just a few bits and is already recorded for billing purposes so that would just be about data retention and access. The logistics of recording every single phone call and storing that would be unbelievably large. I think I may play a bit with it and figure out how much data storage is required for even a day’s worth of phone calls.


7 posted on 05/06/2013 10:52:42 AM PDT by mnehring
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To: Buckeye McFrog

Or pick some agreed upon day when everybody will call a friend at 3:30PM Eastern Time, say the word “bomb” and hang-up...

Phone freedom day?


8 posted on 05/06/2013 10:55:36 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: mnehring; kiryandil

Text requires very little storage. Just convert the speech to text and assign it to phone numbers and times.

It’s also very easy to catalog and search in that format.

Just saying...


9 posted on 05/06/2013 10:56:46 AM PDT by TSgt (More Scott Roeders and fewer Tillers and Gosnells)
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To: kiryandil

Except for college kids in Ohio. Don’t you worry.
(Thus saith The One.)


10 posted on 05/06/2013 10:56:58 AM PDT by TurboZamboni (Marx smelled bad & lived with his parents most his life.)
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To: kiryandil

What else is new?

The Patriots will have to devise their own communication network to plan the revolution.


11 posted on 05/06/2013 10:57:13 AM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: TSgt

True, good point.


12 posted on 05/06/2013 10:57:30 AM PDT by mnehring
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To: mnehring

The problem is that you just KNOW that eventually it will be possible and even cheap to record all phone conversations. Then what? There is no business reason to record that data, therefore there should be no recording of that data without consent, either via the owner of the phone or a judge via a warrant.


13 posted on 05/06/2013 10:58:48 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: TSgt

Which brings us to my point in post 13. I would think that one could sue the phone company for recording your voice communication as an invasion of privacy.


14 posted on 05/06/2013 11:00:24 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: kiryandil

I need to include “bless his heart” whenever speaking of hussein.


15 posted on 05/06/2013 11:00:38 AM PDT by bgill (The problem is...no one is watching the Watch List!)
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To: kiryandil

Front page news if Bush was still Prez, but now we only get relevant info from the foreign press.


16 posted on 05/06/2013 11:00:48 AM PDT by jeffc (The U.S. media are our enemy)
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To: cuban leaf
Then what?

I like the idea mentioned above, overwhelm the system with nonsense. Similar to a suggestion regarding 'key words' that get internet messages flagged, everyone post those words over and over to overwhelm the system.

17 posted on 05/06/2013 11:00:50 AM PDT by mnehring
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To: kiryandil

Ecclesiastes 10:20 Furthermore, in your bedchamber do not curse a king, and in your sleeping rooms do not curse a rich man, for a bird of the heavens will carry the sound and the winged creature will make the matter known.


18 posted on 05/06/2013 11:00:50 AM PDT by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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this is a hella’uva’ amt of phone calls- it boggles the mind


19 posted on 05/06/2013 11:01:21 AM PDT by dswyndon
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To: mnehring

I like the idea mentioned above, overwhelm the system with nonsense. Similar to a suggestion regarding ‘key words’ that get internet messages flagged, everyone post those words over and over to overwhelm the system.


Too much work. And algorhythms can be created to filter out the background noise with amazing accuracy.

Bottom line is that unless there is a business need to record the content of voice calls, it is a violation of privacy to do so. Only a warrant allows it.


20 posted on 05/06/2013 11:03:09 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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