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HILLARY CLINTON CULPABLE FOR BENGHAZI FROM BEGINNING TO END
Powerlineblog ^ | MAY 6, 2013 | PAUL MIRENGOFF

Posted on 05/07/2013 6:53:36 AM PDT by lasereye

When it first became clear that the CIA’s Benghazi talking points had been altered, many of us viewed the White House as the prime suspect. After all, it served President Obama’s political purposes to claim, at the height of a political campaign in which he was taking credit for the fall of al Qaeda, that the death of a U.S. ambassador was down to spontaneous outrage over a video, rather than pre-planned terrorism.

It turns out, however, that the State Department was the prime culprit. It was State that pushed back hard against the original talking points. The White House, probably for the political reason cited above, took its side.

Why did State want the talking points changed? Because it had ignored warnings about rising terrorist activity in Libya and had reduced security rather than beefing it up, as our embassy requested.

Under these circumstances, it would not do to attribute the Benghazi killings to the terrorism about which top State Department officials had been warned. Much better to lump what happened in Libya together with the protests that occurred in Egypt, and thereby characterize it as a demonstration that went too far, rather than premeditated terrorism.

Was Hillary Clinton directly involved in this cover-up? It’s difficult to see how she could not have been.

As I understand it, when State pushed back against the CIA’s talking points, a White House meeting was scheduled to thrash out the issue. One can imagine Clinton failing to keep apprised of something as mundane as a mounting threat to be safety of her personnel in Libya. But surely she was in the loop when it came to a bureaucratic struggle about how our U.N. ambassador was going to spin the Benghazi debacle. And surely, her representatives would not attend the meeting in which that bureaucratic struggle was to be resolved without being able to state the desires of the Secretary of State.

Hillary Clinton, then, is culpable at the front end of the Benghazi disaster — when she and/or her agents ignored requests for enhanced security — and at the back end — when she and her agents engineered an attempted cover-up. Her culpability during the attacks is doubtful in my opinion, but I would still like to know what she was doing during those tragic hours.

In a serious society, Benghazi, standing alone, would spell the end of Hillary Clinton’s public career. But there is much more.

The signature initiative of her time as Secretary of State — the “reset” with Russia — was a fiasco or a farce, depending on how seriously one took it to begin with. I would have had trouble taking seriously an initiative launched with the aid of a fake reset button, even if Clinton had used the correct Russian word for “reset.”

We should also remember that Clinton managed to lose the presidential nomination in 2008 despite having a huge lead and major advantages over her relatively unknown rival. She lost in part because she and her staff couldn’t figure out the importance of winning caucuses in a host of “off-the-beaten-path” states.

Finally, there should be no statute of limitations on Hillarycare. On big matters, failure is the norm for Hillary Clinton.

Despite all of this, Clinton finds herself the overwhelming favorite to win the Democratic presidential nomination in 2016, if she seeks it. And I gather that she is favored to win the general election, as well.

Will Benghazi derail her? I wouldn’t bet on it. First, it’s far from clear that, in 2016, the electorate will still care much about what happened in Benghazi (did it ever?) and about subsequent lying about the nature of the attacks.

Second, and relatedly, before Benghazi can hurt Clinton, someone needs the courage to raise the issue. Would Clinton’s serious Democratic rivals (if any) have that courage? Or would they fear a backlash from an essentially pacifist base that sees this as a Republican issue, and therefore irrelevant, and that is that may be hell bent on nominating a female.

Would a Republican nominee have the requisite courage? Or would he fear a backlash from female voters offended about suggestions that the first woman candidate for president is, simultaneously, too weak and too conniving for the job?

Perhaps the specter of Benghazi, or simple embarrassment over it, will dissuade Clinton from even entering the race. But I wouldn’t bet on that either.


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Would a Republican nominee have the requisite courage? Or would he fear a backlash from female voters offended about suggestions that the first woman candidate for president is, simultaneously, too weak and too conniving for the job?

Almost certainly the answer is yes. It would be tricky I admit, mainly because the media will come to her defense, but IF the GOP candidate does it well enough and DOESN'T sound apologetic about it, it could work. One danger would be that the GOP candidate starts to bring it up, then mostly drops it after the initial massive retaliation from the media/Democrats. They would have to be ready for that and keep on slugging. There's also the likelihood that they would fail to explain it well enough as GOP candidates almost always fail to do

They should portray her as dishonest and use that exchange where she says "What difference does it make?" in commercials. Just run that over and over with Hicks saying "We knew it was a terrorist attack from the get go" etc.

1 posted on 05/07/2013 6:53:36 AM PDT by lasereye
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To: lasereye

Culpable? That’s an awful big word for the low-information voter to process. All they know is that Robert Culp co-starred with Bill Cosby and that he’s dead.


2 posted on 05/07/2013 6:57:20 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: lasereye
They should portray her as dishonest and use that exchange where she says "What difference does it make?" in commercials. Just run that over and over with Hicks saying "We knew it was a terrorist attack from the get go" etc.

In the commercial, following up the "What difference does it make?" with an answer (punctuated by the images of the four dead): "The lives of four patriotic Americans, that's the difference!"

3 posted on 05/07/2013 6:58:28 AM PDT by ScottinVA ( Liberal is to patriotism as Kermit Gosnell is to neonatal care.)
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To: lasereye

Looks like our Dark-Skinned Male President is clearing the path for his wife to succeed him as Presidentette.


4 posted on 05/07/2013 6:59:55 AM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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To: Buckeye McFrog
Culpable? That’s an awful big word for the low-information voter to process. All they know is that Robert Culp co-starred with Bill Cosby and that he’s dead.

Or they're going to think they're hearing, "Gulpable"... at which point they'll discover they're thirsty and jonesing for a "Big Gulp" and you'll have lost them. We have to be careful not to fill their little cranial thimbles with firehoses of information. They'll just shut down.

5 posted on 05/07/2013 7:00:15 AM PDT by ScottinVA ( Liberal is to patriotism as Kermit Gosnell is to neonatal care.)
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To: lasereye

Okay, I will, as is my wont, tell the Republicans how to handle this.

Get some movies/video of those four Americans...maybe playing with their dog, hugging their child....something like that. Make a montage of all four of the dead guys, cute little scenes that show them doing what Americans do when not being left to die by their own countrymen.

Now, after a nice montage of video clips guaranteed to bring tears, get that awful shrill woman’s yelling...”WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE?”

Make sure the video montage has the dead men’s names, the names of their dog....make it maudlin....put up short verbiage clips like what they wanted to do someday, dreams they...pay some Hollywood dude to make a great little clip. For enough money anything can be done.

All the while have Hillary keep asking over and over...

WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE!

Americans will be screaming for that awful Hillary woman who is the WORST Secretary of State EVER and her Obama enablers.


6 posted on 05/07/2013 7:00:30 AM PDT by Fishtalk (http://patfish.blogspot.com/)
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To: lasereye
This is just a resume enhancement for her.

What difference, at this point in time, does it make?

7 posted on 05/07/2013 7:00:31 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Islam is a religion of peace, and Moslems reserve the right to detonate anyone who says otherwise.)
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To: lasereye
If the objective is to avoid inciting women the GOP-e would almost certainly run the weakest possible candidate ~ that would be Romney or Chris Christie ~

If the objective is to save America from the dogs, the GOP-e must be exterminated now ~ not later.

8 posted on 05/07/2013 7:01:28 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: ScottinVA

Exactly. Don’t pull any punches just because she’s a woman and has the media defending her.


9 posted on 05/07/2013 7:01:44 AM PDT by lasereye
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To: lasereye

OK, so we’re now supposed to be more concerned about private citizen Hitlery running for president in 2016 than the traitor in the white hut committing crimes and “fundamentally transforming America”?


10 posted on 05/07/2013 7:02:42 AM PDT by treetopsandroofs (Had FDR been GOP, there would have been no World Wars, just "The Great War" and "Roosevelt's Wars".)
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To: lasereye

11 posted on 05/07/2013 7:03:08 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: lasereye

Hillary is 49% responsible for this. Barry is 51% culpable.

She was SOS, but he was the boss.


12 posted on 05/07/2013 7:03:11 AM PDT by MortMan (Disarming the sheep only emboldens the wolves.)
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To: lasereye

It’s in Joe Biden’s interest to see that the scandal is laid at Clinton’s feet. He is running for president already.


13 posted on 05/07/2013 7:03:26 AM PDT by mwl8787
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To: lasereye

“They should portray her as dishonest and use that exchange where she says “What difference does it make?” in commercials. Just run that over and over”........

I would be doing this every day from now until after the election. Her political career needs to be gone and done with FOREVER, much like Odumbo and the rest of his ilk.


14 posted on 05/07/2013 7:03:40 AM PDT by DaveA37 (I'm for HONEST government)
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To: lasereye

If I were “Congress” I would hold the hearings; make sure that this failure is the legacy of the Clinton SoS by using the words failure and dereliction of duty over and over again. Show how she actively worked to get those men killed. See how far you can take it.

Maybe try for a special prosecutor.

If that wasn’t enough then I would give the Congressional Medal of Honor that is given to citizens by Congress to the 4 people who were murdered. Big ceremony, maybe a big parade. Televised. Make sure that it is known that Hillary was specifically not invited by the families.

Then I would bring back the families in 2016 if Hillary starts to run for Presidential office to remind people of what a callous failure she was. Have them hold up the medals and ask America not to let their sons be betrayed again.

It isn’t that she just a flaming liberal - it’s that she’s an heartless, corrupt idiot who is totally unqualified for office. She must be taken out of politics.

But, hey, what do I know.


15 posted on 05/07/2013 7:05:48 AM PDT by Noamie
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To: Fishtalk

Ya gotta add some cuts to a bedroom door with snoring and people knocking saying “Mr. President? Sir, we have a situation...” snoring....


16 posted on 05/07/2013 7:07:33 AM PDT by Spruce
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To: Texas Eagle

You could be on to something. After kissing hillary’s ass , covering and lying when necessary for her over the years, for the media to suddenly turn on her, there has to be a reason. Or they could be setting a trap for the Conservatives and Republicans to fall into. As the residents of Troy learned long, beware of your enemy bearing a gift.


17 posted on 05/07/2013 7:07:33 AM PDT by sport
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To: lasereye
Cicero would have probably put it: "Ceterum censeo GOP-e esse delendam".

Actually, I know he'd put it that way ~ a similar enemy ~ only interested in itself, Carthage, like the GOP-e, would rather have it's own candidates lose than allow a traditionalist, social conservative, fiscal conservative, defense conservative or right to lifer run the race!

Carthage was always more difficult with its allies and coalition partners than it was with Rome!

18 posted on 05/07/2013 7:08:41 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: mwl8787

“It’s in Joe Biden’s interest to see that the scandal is laid at Clinton’s feet. He is running for president already.”

White Uncle Tom?


19 posted on 05/07/2013 7:10:11 AM PDT by treetopsandroofs (Had FDR been GOP, there would have been no World Wars, just "The Great War" and "Roosevelt's Wars".)
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To: lasereye
First, it’s far from clear that, in 2016, the electorate will still care much about what happened in Benghazi (did it ever?) and about subsequent lying about the nature of the attacks.

In order for the public to be concerned, they have to be told by the MSM to be concerned. And, the MSM will not do that. Can you I imagine if Nixon was a Democrat? Watergate would only be some relatively unknown Washington DC hotel.

20 posted on 05/07/2013 7:10:26 AM PDT by Cowboy Bob (Democrats: Robbing Peter to buy Paul's vote.)
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To: Spruce

I’m in!

Republicans too scared to do this but the Dems would do it in a minute and would do it well.


21 posted on 05/07/2013 7:12:44 AM PDT by Fishtalk (http://patfish.blogspot.com/)
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To: lasereye
Words don't really convey how very badly I yearn to see that evil bitch *destroyed* while dragging that execrable halfrican muzz faggot alongside 'her' on the ride to Hell !

They both deserve a traitor's noose

22 posted on 05/07/2013 7:13:56 AM PDT by tomkat
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To: MortMan

My guess is that they’re going to blame this all on “low level operatives” acting on their own, and fully throw Susan Rice under the bus (and back over her several times) in saying that she acted alone in editing the talking points and lying. They’ll just say she was overzealous or depressed and acting out or some damn thing, and welll, gee, that was wrong, but we’ve dealt with it and the poor woman has paid the price, so now can’t we all just MOVE ON!?

Remember, Hillary has always gotten away with every rotten thing she’s done. Rose Law records, Vince Foster, cattle futures, bimbo eruptions...every bit of it.


23 posted on 05/07/2013 7:14:39 AM PDT by bigbob
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To: tomkat

Hillary Clinton is one of the biggest zeroes to ever hit this country.

When she was first lady I remember a “lecture” she gave the then newly elected senators. She told them that if they didn’t follow the Clinton talking points that they would be “demonized”...yes that’s the word she used. Made a lot of those senators mad, God love them politicos all.

Now we can DEMONIZE her and we don’t even have to lie to do it. She is just an awful person and will burn in hell. I will smile and dance as she goes down.


24 posted on 05/07/2013 7:16:28 AM PDT by Fishtalk (http://patfish.blogspot.com/)
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25 posted on 05/07/2013 7:17:29 AM PDT by deoetdoctrinae (The Old White Flag Republicans can go straight to He// and take their pal Obama with them!)
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To: lasereye
I can't fathom why, but the GOPe won't use this to advantage. If this was not the truth, then starting tomorrow we should see Congresscritters talking about this in every interview using the terms ‘political cover up” and “blatant lie to the public”, “treasonous dereliction of duty”, “special prosecutor” and “Impeachable offense”. But I have doubts we will hear anything stronger than “needs more investigation”.
26 posted on 05/07/2013 7:18:50 AM PDT by swamprebel (a Constitution once changed from Freedom, can never be restored.)
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To: Fishtalk
The term 'first lady' is as ill-suited and blasphemous when applied to that vile thieving cow as it is to the current disgraceful lard-assed national embarrassment.

It honestly wasn't mere rhetoric above .. words simply don't get the job done.

spit3

27 posted on 05/07/2013 7:22:01 AM PDT by tomkat
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To: Fishtalk
ps: your ad idea above was great !

Which guarantees the GOP-eunuchs wouldn't touch it to save their miserable whorish lives.

28 posted on 05/07/2013 7:23:59 AM PDT by tomkat
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To: lasereye
Obunghole too.

Benghazi Timeline

hillary clinton not now ambassador stevens benghaz



obama 3pm vegas golf benghazi scandal coverup fail

29 posted on 05/07/2013 7:24:35 AM PDT by Bon mots
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To: lasereye

Hilliary is guilty for her actions before and after the attack. (ignoring security problem, hiring 17th martyr brigade; cover-up)

Obama is guilty for his actions during and after the attack. (allowing al qaeda to attack without resistance, no reinforcements/rescuers; Cover-up)


30 posted on 05/07/2013 7:24:59 AM PDT by Triple (Socialism denies people the right to the fruits of their labor, and is as abhorrent as slavery)
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To: swamprebel

I agree they should use the word “lie”. I’ve been astonished at the reluctance of Republicans to use the word. I don’t see what there is for a special prosecutor to investigate.


31 posted on 05/07/2013 7:25:00 AM PDT by lasereye
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To: lasereye

Obama is culpable too. the liberals will protect his behind. On Wednesday we will find out. Just watch the whole story may change again on Wednesday.


32 posted on 05/07/2013 7:32:29 AM PDT by hondact200 (Candor dat viribos alas (sincerity gives wings to strength) and Nil desperandum (never despair))
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To: mwl8787
It’s in Joe Biden’s interest to see that the scandal is laid at Clinton’s feet. He is running for president already.

Bingo. But as Rush so eloquently stated yesterday, the Left's main goal right now is to protect and shield Hillary, since they want her as the 2016 nominee. Here's what we know:

Biden wants it blamed on Hillary.

Hillary wants it blamed either high or low, on Obama or some underlings.

Obama wants it kept as from him as possible.

Many years ago, regarding the Whitewater scandal, Rush said, "If you want to know what happened at Whitewater, find out what happened to Vince Foster." That line of reasoning holds true for Benghazi: if you want to figure out the Benghazi coverup, find out what Obama and Hillary were doing and/or planning during those missing hours.

33 posted on 05/07/2013 7:36:24 AM PDT by Kharis13 (That noise you hear is our Founding Fathers spinning in their graves.)
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To: lasereye

http://reaganiterepublicanresistance.blogspot.com/2013/05/9-11-benghazi-drone-operator-to-hannity.html


34 posted on 05/07/2013 7:36:40 AM PDT by ExTexasRedhead
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To: lasereye

Yes, she’s culpable...of covering up for Obama. No SOS, particularly a weak and side-lined one like Hillary, goes out and does things like that on his or her own. This policy came from the WH.

She carried it out willingly, of course, because she also hates the US. But it didn’t originate with her, and stopping the investigation with her is just what Barry-Throw-Them-Under-The-Bus wants. It’s worked for him in every preceding instance, and it will probably work for him this time, too.


35 posted on 05/07/2013 7:37:10 AM PDT by livius
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To: lasereye

May her commie butt go down.


36 posted on 05/07/2013 7:48:09 AM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: lasereye

A SP could focus on all White House and SOS emails, and communications, meetings, staff interviews, and of course the testimony of the 31 survivors. A congressional committee could of course do all of the afore mentioned, but often lack focus, as new issues spin up, and a SP could be seen as impartial and not a political witch hunt, which is how the left will spin this.


37 posted on 05/07/2013 7:49:00 AM PDT by swamprebel (a Constitution once changed from Freedom, can never be restored.)
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To: Texas Eagle
[Looks like our Dark-Skinned Male President is clearing the path for his wife to succeed him as Presidentette.]

Indeed. Susan Rice could have been a formidable candidate until her Sunday morning talk show debacle. I can't help thinking she was purposely burned.

38 posted on 05/07/2013 7:51:46 AM PDT by Brad from Tennessee (A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.)
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To: swamprebel

But what possible crime would the SP be investigating?


39 posted on 05/07/2013 7:54:55 AM PDT by lasereye
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To: lasereye
Perjury Just as a starter. What did the WH know and when did they know it?
40 posted on 05/07/2013 7:57:40 AM PDT by swamprebel (a Constitution once changed from Freedom, can never be restored.)
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To: Travis McGee

>Does Huma Abedin have a security clearance?<

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Wouldn’t it be better to ask the question: “Who issued her a security clearance?”


41 posted on 05/07/2013 8:10:51 AM PDT by 353FMG ( I do not say whether I am serious or sarcastic -- I respect FReepers too much.)
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To: Bon mots

Do you have a link for Hilliary’s full melt down video? You have part of it in your collage....hammering her fists...I can only find part of that tantrum...we need all of it *~* Thanks...post here.


42 posted on 05/07/2013 8:43:51 AM PDT by yoe
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To: Fishtalk

I can see your political ad right now, and you got all the right heart tuggers.

I’d only intersperse the video with clips of WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE with Hillary’s own “3am call in the middle of the night” ad she ran against The One in 2008.

And I’d end your ad with the announcer asking, “So who would you call when the safety of your countrymen are at stake? To which Hillary screeches, WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE?

Let’s do it Fishtalk. LOL Let’s get our own Mad Men political consultancy group going. Cuz I’m definitely mad.


43 posted on 05/07/2013 8:49:47 AM PDT by A'elian' nation
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To: Fishtalk

Good advice. Yes, Hillary screaming “What difference does it make?” should be repeated and repeated.


44 posted on 05/07/2013 9:04:37 AM PDT by apocalypto
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To: Travis McGee
The Taliban and Muslim Brotherhood have knowingly been invited to infiltrate the White Hut, State, the Pentagon and several other key Executive positions.

"What difference...does it make?" one has asked.

In response to repeated requests for heightened security at the Benghazi consulate, not only was consulate security lessened, but a large portion of responsibility for Benghazi's consulate security was handed over to the February 17th Martyrs Brigade. A spinoff of that Brigade, Ansar Al Sharia, a group with known ties to Al Quaeda is understood to be the force behind the attack!

The Brigade "had been implicated in the kidnapping of American citizens as well as in the threats against U.S. military assets.” The Muslim Brotherhood-infiltrated State Department, under Clinton, did all that!

That's just one aspect of the many differences it makes, Madame Secretary of the Clinton Body Count.

HF

45 posted on 05/07/2013 9:11:46 AM PDT by holden (Alter or abolish it yet?)
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To: 353FMG
Re: Abedin's security clearance (which she surely has).

The question will not end with, "Who issued that clearance?" but rather, "Who are the highest level people in the State Department chain of command that requested and/or approved that clearance, and on the basis of what application data and vetting process(which we demand to see)?"

HF

46 posted on 05/07/2013 9:32:50 AM PDT by holden (Alter or abolish it yet?)
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obama is culpable. hillary is a co-conspirator. Do not be fooled at whatthey are trying to do.

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47 posted on 05/07/2013 9:50:48 AM PDT by MestaMachine
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48 posted on 05/07/2013 9:52:56 AM PDT by onyx (Please Support Free Republic - Donate Monthly! If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, Let Me know!)
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49 posted on 05/07/2013 9:53:53 AM PDT by onyx (Please Support Free Republic - Donate Monthly! If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, Let Me know!)
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To: Fishtalk
"Okay, I will, as is my wont, tell the Republicans how to handle this."

Just ask the voters if they would want to share a fox hole with Hilliary. Ask the voters what kind of commander leaves their troops to die needlessly and then lies about it?

Hillary is toast. But if there is any doubt replay "Once an Eagle" on TV.

50 posted on 05/07/2013 10:04:32 AM PDT by jpsb
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