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Why so many people including scientists suddenly believe in an afterlife
Maclean's ^ | May 7, 2013 | Brian Bethune

Posted on 05/07/2013 11:00:54 AM PDT by rickmichaels

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To: Viennacon
Yeah, o.k. Humor me. What does the ‘action’ of repentance and acceptance of Christ look like?
51 posted on 05/07/2013 6:52:14 PM PDT by bramps (Sarah Palin got more votes in 2008 than Mitt Romney got in 2012)
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To: bramps

Well, I’d probably recommend going to a church. That’s where most people repent, especially Catholics.


52 posted on 05/07/2013 6:55:38 PM PDT by Viennacon
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To: Viennacon

So going to church = repentance and acceptance of Christ.
Does that mean that a bed bound invalid cannot repent and accept Christ?


53 posted on 05/07/2013 7:02:22 PM PDT by bramps (Sarah Palin got more votes in 2008 than Mitt Romney got in 2012)
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To: bramps

You’re arguing semantics. Bedridden individuals, as well as people in prison can meet with priests, who are not bound to their church and can travel. The point was, that without repentance, however you choose to do it, you are effectively refusing to knock on Christ’s door.


54 posted on 05/07/2013 7:06:39 PM PDT by Viennacon
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To: Viennacon

No, I was just trying to get you to admit that you chose the wrong word (actions) to describe how one gets into Heaven.


55 posted on 05/07/2013 7:19:03 PM PDT by bramps (Sarah Palin got more votes in 2008 than Mitt Romney got in 2012)
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To: jsanders2001

A pursuit of investigation that has dropped the assumption of spirit would not be able to arrive back at a conclusion of the existence of spirit. However, spirit has been accepted by all mankind as a postulate for all known recorded history until the advent of modern materialism. People would differ over the effective existence, identity, and qualities of a God or gods, but not about the existence of spirit.

Denial of spirit or at least of spirit’s power over humans has brought a lot of false comfort to atheists and agnostics. However this throws them, at best, upon the impoverished rags and tags of meaningless psychology and a world that can never say “ought” or “should” but at most can say “does.”


56 posted on 05/07/2013 7:31:14 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: mfish13

God made the dice, and the rolls, of such matter.


57 posted on 05/07/2013 7:32:39 PM PDT by RedHeeler
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To: bramps

Jesus is spirit and is as close as a prayer that opens up your heart for Him to enter, which He will if asked in sincerity. You have to be willing to want Jesus... if the whole idea of a Savior of your soul is utterly indifferent to you, then you are not at the point of being able to accept. God won’t barge into the heart that does not want Him. It might be a monstrous oversimplification, but is very true, to say that Christianity is getting the right spirit in your heart, a spirit that is God, when before you were riding upon a spirit that was not God. The Bible goes into much, much further detail about what the qualities of this spirit is... loves, forgives, watches, supports, warns, directs, feeds, and much more.


58 posted on 05/07/2013 7:38:36 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: OneWingedShark

Jesus Christ. What of Him?


59 posted on 05/07/2013 7:38:57 PM PDT by RedHeeler
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To: RedHeeler
Jesus Christ. What of Him?

*nod* - I wanted an example that wasn't "hand wave"-able as "He's God, it doesn't apply to Him."

60 posted on 05/07/2013 7:41:27 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: caww

There are many evidences of spirit, if not proofs in the modern scientific sense. Spirit is willful and it is not amenable to things like being poured out of a flask or heated over a Bunsen burner. So there is no such thing as a “modern scientific experiment” upon spirit. However spirit DOES get involved in relationships as well as in filling (for good or for evil).


61 posted on 05/07/2013 7:44:57 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

That would depend on what your definition is of spirit or spirits is. Many accept anything abby-normal as good or an experience in the unseen world as good or from God.


62 posted on 05/07/2013 7:48:41 PM PDT by caww
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To: rickmichaels

By the way, I am skeptical of the spiritual wisdom of the “Calvinistic” approach in the sense that it is described here. While God can certainly use Calvinism’s fright to warn souls about the need of salvation, because God is not proud and does not require perfect circumstances in which to work, it can’t herald an ironclad salvational promise to accept. And so it is a half truth, not a pure gospel. It can at best say “good luck” (which is also a problem with extreme Arminianism, so I am being an equal opportunity critic here).

John Calvin himself was probably not a very strong “Calvinist,” by the way.


63 posted on 05/07/2013 7:50:56 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: caww

A non-physical entity that possesses a will... that’s probably a pretty good working definition. I’m not making any value judgment upon experiences with spirits. One could have an experience with Old Scratch and that would be evidence of spirit, but also perhaps not a very helpful one except as much as it may drive someone to seek God.


64 posted on 05/07/2013 7:52:36 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: OneWingedShark

I know. Thank you for doing good work.


65 posted on 05/07/2013 8:01:39 PM PDT by RedHeeler
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To: HiTech RedNeck

And what did I say that makes you think I believe otherwise?


66 posted on 05/07/2013 9:11:35 PM PDT by bramps (Sarah Palin got more votes in 2008 than Mitt Romney got in 2012)
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To: bramps

Funny one should be so touchy about being reminded, like being known in the world for believing in Jesus is an ego thing to you.


67 posted on 05/07/2013 9:14:41 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

You’re doubling down, huh? My simple question was being ‘touchy’? Either you’re jumping threads and have me confused with someone else or you else you’re having a real bad night.


68 posted on 05/07/2013 9:26:18 PM PDT by bramps (Sarah Palin got more votes in 2008 than Mitt Romney got in 2012)
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To: bramps

Aren’t you glad to be reminded? Normal serious Christians would be. But you got touchy and blame it on me. Guess you ain’t the “tell me the old, old story” kind after all?


69 posted on 05/07/2013 9:28:21 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Have the water checked in your town immediately.
70 posted on 05/07/2013 9:33:56 PM PDT by bramps (Sarah Palin got more votes in 2008 than Mitt Romney got in 2012)
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To: rickmichaels
There is nothing you can do wrong.
And many believers confidently expect that God isn’t judgmental either.

That kind of talk comes straight from the devil.

71 posted on 05/07/2013 9:58:33 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by Nature, not Nurture™)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
‘Old Scratch’ knows how to play a good game of ‘counterfeit’ as well documented...and those who, like him, know well how to appear as angels of light.

Many scriptures come to mind when reading of these various accounts....or discussions of...not once have they been an encouragement to believe what I'm reading or of the event, rather warnings.

“Blessed is he who believes without “seeing”.

What I have encountered with those who have such experience's is a tendency to rely on the experience entirely yet stamping it with the seal of God to legitimize it.....as many false religions do.

Also there are those who will not settle for that one time experience and continue to seek more of them...they begin “looking” for other experiences and if not finding then seek those who have had them and “feed” or keep alive the experience they've had...one hand feeding the other. I've also seen those who seek these experiences or encounters to find their faith eventually erode as the expereinces fade or cease entirely....in the end they found their faith rested far too much on what they encountered with their senses...rather than their faith being exercised/becoming stronger thru their relationship with the Lord and His word.

72 posted on 05/08/2013 1:21:14 AM PDT by caww
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To: rickmichaels
Why so many people – including scientists – suddenly believe in an afterlife

Well; they're getting OLDer and Death is starting to knock at their door...

73 posted on 05/08/2013 3:51:23 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: mfish13
We scientists are a religious lot.

Aren't we all?

However; there is just ONE religion who has a Savior who claimed...

"I am the Way, the Truth and the Life.

No man comes to the Father but by me."


74 posted on 05/08/2013 3:53:58 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: KittenClaws
...have absolutely no idea “how” death occurs...

Well; we are still arguing when LIFE does as well!

(At least for HUMANs)

75 posted on 05/08/2013 3:55:30 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Viennacon
There is a Heaven.

We have 3 levels to ours...

--MormonDude(Did you know that only about 15% of us will do everything required by our church to get to reside at the HIGHEST level - where GOD will be?)

76 posted on 05/08/2013 3:58:37 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: KittenClaws; BipolarBob

Jesus was resurrected.
Lazarus was restored.


77 posted on 05/08/2013 3:59:40 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: redangus
... he was being dragged to hell by a host of demons ...

Ghost had a scene in it like this...

78 posted on 05/08/2013 4:01:40 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Brett66
The spiritual realm is constantly trying to communicate with us on this Earth.

Yeah - the BAD ones!

79 posted on 05/08/2013 4:03:06 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: A'elian' nation
My friend’s SOME spirit also told the psychic...
80 posted on 05/08/2013 4:06:55 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Zuse
Check the book “To Hell and Back” by Dr. Maurice Rawlings. His collection of anecdotes suggest that atheists will be in for a surprise.

No need for this, as the BEst selling book every year states the same thing!

(One can skip to the end to find out...)

81 posted on 05/08/2013 4:09:14 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Viennacon; bramps
What does the ‘action’ of repentance and acceptance of Christ look like?

Probably like this:

 

John 6:28-29

Then they asked him, “What must we do to do the works God requires?”

Jesus answered, “The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent.”


1 John 3:21-24

Dear friends, if our hearts do not condemn us, we have confidence before God and receive from him anything we ask, because we keep his commands and do what pleases him. And this is his command: to believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, and to love one another as he commanded us. The one who keeps God’s commands lives in him, and he in them. And this is how we know that he lives in us: We know it by the Spirit he gave us.


82 posted on 05/08/2013 4:11:42 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: bramps
...you chose the wrong word (actions)...

Not necessarily.

The 'action' just needed to be explained a bit more fully.

83 posted on 05/08/2013 4:13:46 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: caww
Many accept anything abby-normal...

We can always fall back on reading tea leaves - or entrails...

84 posted on 05/08/2013 4:18:28 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: caww
‘Old Scratch’ knows how to play a good game of ‘counterfeit’ as well documented...and those who, like him, know well how to appear as angels of light.

Hey!

We are PERSONAGES we'll have you know!!!



85 posted on 05/08/2013 4:22:52 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Brett66

How would one recognize having an attempt made to communicate with them by the spirit world?


86 posted on 05/08/2013 6:08:49 AM PDT by stuartcr ("I have habits that are older than the people telling me they're bad for me.")
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To: Elsie

Many religions claim a “messiah.”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_messiah_claimants


87 posted on 05/08/2013 6:38:30 AM PDT by New Jersey Realist (America: home of the free because of the brave)
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To: Elsie

I’m sorry you don’t believe me, but you weren’t there. I was. I know it was my friend’s spirit by what was said and how the medium described him.

What I can’t understand is if Christians believe there is a heaven, why is communication with those in heaven impossible?

The love, understanding, communication, and signs are there for those open to them. They still watch over us.


88 posted on 05/08/2013 8:01:03 AM PDT by A'elian' nation
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To: A'elian' nation
I know it was my friend’s spirit by what was said and how the medium described him.

you 'know' nothing of the kind.

Why do you think they are called LYING spirits?

89 posted on 05/08/2013 8:40:58 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: A'elian' nation
What I can’t understand is if Christians believe there is a heaven, why is communication with those in heaven impossible?

The BIBLE says NOT to try to communicate with the dead.

CHRISTIANs don't.

90 posted on 05/08/2013 8:42:16 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: rickmichaels

This was a wonderful article. Thank you.


91 posted on 05/08/2013 8:53:31 AM PDT by Lazamataz ("AP" clearly stands for American Pravda. Our news media has become completely and proudly Soviet.)
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To: Elsie

Awesome that you have the ability to know if others know stuff. Keep up the good work


92 posted on 05/08/2013 9:54:05 AM PDT by stuartcr ("I have habits that are older than the people telling me they're bad for me.")
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To: stuartcr
Awesome that you have the ability to know if others know stuff.

There's a LOT of it going around.


93 posted on 05/08/2013 2:06:32 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

Yeah, I was gonna comment on that, as well.

Don’t mess with spirit communication.
Ghosts, UFOs, paranormal - if you’re of a biblical worldview, you know all those things come from Satan and his “angels”.


94 posted on 05/08/2013 2:09:04 PM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: MrB
Ghosts, UFOs, paranormal - if you’re of a biblical worldview, you know all those things come from Satan and his “angels”.

I just got scolded for this...


Ghosts, UFOs, paranormal - if you’re of a biblical worldview, you BELIEVE all those things come from Satan and his “angels”.

95 posted on 05/08/2013 3:17:44 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: A'elian' nation

“I know it was my friend’s spirit by what was said and how the medium described him.”

Having read extensively about how Houdini traveled the world exposing mediums as FAKE, revealing their tricks, showing how they deceive, etc., I doubt it was him - regardless of how it felt or looked.


96 posted on 05/08/2013 7:30:50 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (Gone rogue, gone Galt, gone international, gone independent. Gone.)
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To: A'elian' nation

Here is the definitive book that shows how it is done...

http://www.thecoldreadingbook.com/index.php?p=hm


97 posted on 05/08/2013 7:47:46 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (Gone rogue, gone Galt, gone international, gone independent. Gone.)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

15 or so years ago, a strip mall went up in flames in Nashville, In - a day or so before Christmas.

Now this little town in Brown County Indiana is quaint in it’s tourist attractions.

N. Van Buren street is a MAJOR artery into town and this fire REALLY messed up the pre-Christmas shoppers getting there.

As we lived only a few miles away, we decided, after dinner on Christmas, to drive over to see the damage.

The debris was still steaming in places when I noticed a Fortune Telling shop nearby.

I would have thought those folks would have warned the others of the impending doom.


98 posted on 05/09/2013 4:54:41 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: caww

Spirits should be tested before being believed, of course. Is what they urge you to do or what they assert to you, consonant with the Holy Word? If so, that’s a sign of a good angel or the Holy Spirit. Otherwise, they are evil....


99 posted on 05/10/2013 4:29:22 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: Elsie

Some fortune tellers are fakers with nothing but furnishing entertaining make-believe to customers on their minds, and others are in express league with the devil. Anyhow none of the shoppers asked them, I suppose....


100 posted on 05/10/2013 4:32:36 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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