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The New Truth About the Cop Shot in Watertown: Friendly-Fire in a Getaway
TheAtlanticWire ^ | April 07, 2013 | Alexander Abad-Santos

Posted on 05/07/2013 12:05:07 PM PDT by Daffynition

The way the nation met 33-year-old MBTA Transit Police officer Richard Donohue was — like much of the conflicting information from that night of mayhem in Watertown, Massachusetts — violent, fast, and scary: He was exchanging fire with the Tsarnaev brothers, the story went, and he took a gun shot to his right thigh from the Boston bombing suspects — an injury that would see Donohue lose all of his own blood, sever three blood vessels, send him into cardiac arrest, and almost die. Now comes a more complete picture, with more eyewitnesses telling a new story, that Donohue was probably shot by a fellow police officer. 

The Boston Globe has a long story in today's paper with new accounts from Watertown residents who witnessed "the climactic moment in the confrontation, when Dzhokhar Tsarnaev drove between two groups of police officers amid police gunfire" in the early morning of April 19. Jane Dyson lives less than 200 feet from where Donohue went down:

"A black SUV appeared, and rapid gun fire was focused on the vehicle," Dyson wrote in a statement provided to the Globe, referring to the vehicle Tsarnaev allegedly drove in his escape. "It appeared to me that an individual at the corner [of the street] fell to the ground and had probably been hit in the gunfire."


(Excerpt) Read more at theatlanticwire.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events; US: Massachusetts
KEYWORDS: bostonbombing
**Donohue is doing fine.**

Thank God.

1 posted on 05/07/2013 12:05:07 PM PDT by Daffynition
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2 posted on 05/07/2013 12:06:24 PM PDT by Daffynition (Stand Your Ground)
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To: Daffynition

any news about the investigation into the boat being in the search zone but not searched?

On whose order?


3 posted on 05/07/2013 12:07:51 PM PDT by RummyChick
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To: Daffynition

Yeah, but we gotta take those guns away from the police. Guns are dangerous, see./s


4 posted on 05/07/2013 12:08:11 PM PDT by ibytoohi (What the hell has happened to my country?)
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To: RummyChick

My impression has been that the boat was a block or two outside of the perimeter. Not to say my impression is accurate, just that’s what it is.


5 posted on 05/07/2013 12:10:18 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Cboldt

Old news.

Police have now admitted it was in the search zone.


6 posted on 05/07/2013 12:12:10 PM PDT by RummyChick
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To: Daffynition
I'm reminded of the moment that inspired Robert De Niro's character in Ronin to shame Sean Bean's character out of the ambush crew.
7 posted on 05/07/2013 12:15:01 PM PDT by wideawake
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To: RummyChick
Thanks. Dzhokhar Unarmed at Capture, Watertown Boat Inside Lockdown Search Perimeter | BostInno.

That boat, of course, was the scene of Dzhokhar's eventual apprehension. It was also said to be outside the search perimeter scoured while Boston was on lockdown. That, it turns out, wasn't the case. "It was an area that should have been checked," said commissioner Davis, who confirmed the boat was in fact within the perimeter. "We are not sure how long he was in the boat. There was a pool of blood near where the car was dumped about four or five blocks away from the boat."

8 posted on 05/07/2013 12:17:17 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Cboldt

Pool of blood near the abandoned car and Bomber only 5 blocks away.

Given the family’s connection to the CIA it is unclear whether he was going to be allowed to get away or he was just going to be killed - until the boat owner thwarted the plan.


9 posted on 05/07/2013 12:19:33 PM PDT by RummyChick
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To: Daffynition

After all the hero worship ends, we are left with a hard fact. The terrorists were armed with one pistol and Boston PD could not win that encounter.
The extended shootout was unable to stop them both, or kill even one, (before his brother ran him over). Then as the younger terrorist fled in the car-unarmed- and hid in the boat, the next 2 fusliades were all still directed towards an unarmed terrorist.

While there are legitimate reasons for shooting at a bomber that has hidden himself from you, such as provoking him to detonate a bomb, etc... that is not what Boston PD or FBI was doing. They just cannot shoot. The abysmally poor marksmanship from Boston is a national embarrassment.
The lack of a gun culture produces cops who cannot shoot well under stress.

The fact remains, with the city in lockdown, and 10,000 cops swarming, and with little tanks, they still could not win a gunfight, against a single unarmed man on the run.


10 posted on 05/07/2013 12:22:35 PM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: Daffynition

[sincerity, fake] Only the police and military can be trusted with guns. [/sincerity]


11 posted on 05/07/2013 12:26:21 PM PDT by Standing Wolf
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To: DesertRhino
The fact remains, with the city in lockdown, and 10,000 cops swarming, and with little tanks, they still could not win a gunfight, against a single unarmed man on the run.

Look For The Union Label.

12 posted on 05/07/2013 12:26:45 PM PDT by Steely Tom (If the Constitution can be a living document, I guess a corporation can be a person.)
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To: Daffynition; RummyChick; DesertRhino; Standing Wolf
Our FRiend DesertRhino makes a interesting point:

The extended shootout was unable to stop them both, or kill even one, (before his brother ran him over). Then as the younger terrorist fled in the car-unarmed- and hid in the boat, the next 2 fusliades were all still directed towards an unarmed terrorist.

"Boston's Finest" turned an erstwhile quiet suburb into a scene from Boondock Saints, with hundreds of rounds being fired (how about those ten-round mags, eh?), and no one cared where the stray rounds were going?

Given the - and I use the word loosely - "marksmanship" demonstrated, it's a wonder why there wasn't a collateral damage body count from bystanders.

13 posted on 05/07/2013 12:45:12 PM PDT by Old Sarge (My "KMA List" is growing daily...)
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To: RummyChick
Given the family’s connection to the CIA it is unclear whether he was going to be allowed to get away or he was just going to be killed - until the boat owner thwarted the plan.

If it wasn't for the fact he was hiding behind the boat's engine compartment he would have been filled with as many holes and the boat's hull. You can hear on the police radio that they were lamenting the arrival of the media and that they couldn't finish the job.

14 posted on 05/07/2013 12:46:00 PM PDT by Count of Monte Fisto
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To: RummyChick

I remember reading somewhere that #2 was hiding in a nearby shed. The cops swept the area and moved on. At that point, #2 crawled into the boat.

If so, I guess the question is, “How did they miss him in the shed?”


15 posted on 05/07/2013 1:01:11 PM PDT by FatherFig1o155 (Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil. -- Thomas Paine)
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To: Daffynition

The fedburinv was heading the investigation due to it being a “terror” incident. No?


16 posted on 05/07/2013 1:02:24 PM PDT by LurkedLongEnough
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To: Count of Monte Fisto
" If it wasn't for the fact he was hiding behind the boat's engine compartment he would have been filled with as many holes and the boat's hull. You can hear on the police radio that they were lamenting the arrival of the media and that they couldn't finish the job."

Given their past days performance I would have had to give them another Million Rounds and a day and a half to finish the job. Or one homeowner with a Deer rifle about 10 seconds. of course the UAVs are optional.

17 posted on 05/07/2013 1:33:06 PM PDT by VRWCarea51
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To: DesertRhino
"The lack of a gun culture produces cops who cannot shoot well under stress."

Oh, come on!

ATF Agent - I am the only one in this room professional enough to carry a Glock 40

18 posted on 05/07/2013 1:33:57 PM PDT by uncommonsense (Conservatives believe what they see; Liberals see what they believe.)
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To: RummyChick

Why the sudden interest?

It happened so long ago.


19 posted on 05/07/2013 1:40:25 PM PDT by 353FMG ( I do not say whether I am serious or sarcastic -- I respect FReepers too much.)
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To: RummyChick
"Given the family’s connection to the CIA it is unclear whether he was going to be allowed to get away or he was just going to be killed"

Or become president...

20 posted on 05/07/2013 1:45:45 PM PDT by uncommonsense (Conservatives believe what they see; Liberals see what they believe.)
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To: DesertRhino
The fact remains, with the city in lockdown, and 10,000 cops swarming, and with little tanks, they still could not win a gunfight, against a single unarmed man on the run.

Well said.

21 posted on 05/07/2013 1:50:32 PM PDT by zeugma (Those of us who work for a living are outnumbered by those who vote for a living.)
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To: DesertRhino
The fact remains, with the city in lockdown, and 10,000 cops swarming, and with little tanks, they still could not win a gunfight, against a single unarmed man on the run.

Do we have some LEO FReepers who might care to comment on this situation, and on the general disrespect for cops that seems to come through?

22 posted on 05/07/2013 1:56:32 PM PDT by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed &water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: RummyChick

I hadn’t kept up on this - wow, it was an op.

And us silly conservatives worry about the “politics” of the 2A.

While the real “people in charge” are planning and executing ops to test city-wide lockdowns.

I guess if I had at least half the CIA leadership in my back pocket I could possibly attempt to thwart the effort to disarm Americans.

This is why the Ford Foundation, etc., makes sure that Maoist history (i.e., disarm before crackdown) is never mentioned in government schools. Oh, not just in America, but worldwide.

Oh, that’s crazy conspiracy theory, Pieter, you freeking wacko.

http://www.fordfoundation.org/grants/grantdetails?grantid=111581

Oh, look, they’ll spot me a cool $190,000 to work on one of those projects...

But... (drooling)... duh..... what’s the “foundation system”..... that’s a conspiracy theory....

/SARC

Sorry for the sarcrant RummyChick... I just got so happy when you actually mentioned the CIA in connection with this story I got carried away.


23 posted on 05/07/2013 1:58:33 PM PDT by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves)
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To: RummyChick

The Coast Guard could not be reached for comment ...


24 posted on 05/07/2013 2:07:30 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: JimRed

You are imagining disrespect. The only thing i disrespect here is the repeated low quality of the investigative work at every stage of this process, (FBI, INS, Boston PD) and i absolutely disrespect the spray and pray technique.

The ineffectiveness of it is clearly demonstrated in it’s lack of results. This is true in spades after the second “shootout” where the perp was -actually unarmed-. Several hundred rounds fired at close range, in two encounters. And they could not connect with the bad guys.

This happens with alarming regularity on the coasts. NYC has its shootouts that can only be described as amazing. (and not in the good way) The LAPD just did it with those hapless paper ladies. Thankfully their shooting was just as poor.

Review the Texas shootout with the Colorado prison warden killer last month. It ended right there. Review the lengthy record of fine marksmanship on violent felons out in Albuquerque.

Out west, front sights are found to be quite useful gadgets.


25 posted on 05/07/2013 2:23:23 PM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: Daffynition

And i’m very glad that young cop wounded by friendly fire survived. But shame on the agency leaders and on that community who put them out there, without the training and equipment to win that very winnable encounter.

The cops had the numbers, firepower, and organization to easily win. But failing that, when Dzokar drove away. How did the numerous cop cars at the scene not chase him like he was in a stolen car on a Los Angeles freeway? It seems he just drove away until he bailed with nobody in hot pursuit. There are a lot of things here that do not inspire confidence.


26 posted on 05/07/2013 2:31:12 PM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: DesertRhino
You are imagining disrespect.

Sorry, DR, that wasn't necessarily aimed at you, but as a general comment on things I've noticed lately.

27 posted on 05/07/2013 3:04:22 PM PDT by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed &water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: DesertRhino

“..disrespect the spray and pray technique.”

ever been in combat?


28 posted on 05/07/2013 6:39:45 PM PDT by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-hereQaeda" and its allies.)
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To: Daffynition
Half the federal govt services were there. DHS were the most number present. ICE and DEA were running around with firearms too. It was one huge gang bang for two screwed up boys.

I don’t like what I’m seeing. The day notice of the three boys being picked up for questioning it was said they’d be brought to the Boston federal court building and all the media showed up. DHS cops were already there. No Boston cop stood at the door of that court, but 4 DHS officers. And the boys didn’t show up.

29 posted on 05/07/2013 7:51:32 PM PDT by Lady Jag (If you can't make them see the light, let them feel the heat. - Reagan)
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To: DesertRhino
The cops had the numbers, firepower, and organization to easily win. But failing that, when Dzokar drove away. How did the numerous cop cars at the scene not chase him like he was in a stolen car on a Los Angeles freeway? It seems he just drove away until he bailed with nobody in hot pursuit. There are a lot of things here that do not inspire confidence.

During Thursday night, the bomber brothers got spooked and went on the run starting in Cambridge. There they started some mischief which attracted the Cambridge cops. Immediately the cops made the connection that they were the bombers.

As the brothers fled, surrounding communities brought more on duty cops into the pursuit. the chase started with dozens of cops. By time they cornered them in Watertown, they had maybe hundreds in the pursuit. It was dark. The cops were from multiple departments which was chaotic. The younger bomber took advantage of the confusion to make his breakaway.

He did the smart thing, find a place of concealment and stop moving. It took a while longer for the cops to set up the search perimeter. They did have the perimeter right. He was wounded and on foot and wouldn't be far from the car he abandoned.

Where the cops first failed was in locking down 1,000,000 people in which 970,000 were outside the active search perimeter. I suspect this was more of a political decision by the mini despot Patrick. This was a great waste of people's time. Where the cops failed a second time was in not lifting the lockdown by noontime. Lifting the lockdown would free up thousands of eyes familiar with their surroundings. It would also tempt the younger bomber to move out of his place of concealment to try and blend in with the community.

What should be clear to everyone is that massive amounts of militarized police, are not effective in actual policing of benefit to the population in general.

30 posted on 05/07/2013 9:26:38 PM PDT by LoneRangerMassachusetts (The meek shall not inherit the Earth)
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To: Daffynition

I’ll be curious to see who is blamed for the MIT officer’s death. Thus far, they have no evidence it was either of the Tsarnaev brothers and Jahar has not been charged.


31 posted on 05/10/2013 2:22:01 PM PDT by Kimberly GG ("Path to Citizenship" Amnesty candidates will NOT get my vote!)
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