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Gun crime has plunged, but Americans think it's up, says study
Los Angeles Times ^ | May 7, 2013 | Emily Alpert

Posted on 05/07/2013 7:21:02 PM PDT by grundle

In less than two decades, the gun murder rate has been nearly cut in half. Other gun crimes fell even more sharply, paralleling a broader drop in violent crimes committed with or without guns.

The number of gun killings dropped 39% between 1993 and 2011, the Bureau of Justice Statistics reported in a separate report released Tuesday. Gun crimes that weren’t fatal fell by 69%.

Despite the remarkable drop in gun crime, only 12% of Americans surveyed said gun crime had declined compared with two decades ago, according to Pew, which surveyed more than 900 adults this spring. Twenty-six percent said it had stayed the same, and 56% thought it had increased.

(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...


TOPICS: Front Page News; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: banglist; guncontrol; secondamendment

1 posted on 05/07/2013 7:21:02 PM PDT by grundle
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To: grundle

This was published by the LA Slimes?

Somewhere, pigs are flying!


2 posted on 05/07/2013 7:23:43 PM PDT by 2111USMC (aim small, miss small)
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To: grundle
There was a lot of gun violence until the Crips finally won the "drug wars" with the Bloods.

Has gun violence dropped once again now that MS13 has taken the drug trade away from the Crips?

3 posted on 05/07/2013 7:24:31 PM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: grundle

They’re going to continue getting results like this as long as they continue polling low information voters who get their information from 30 second sound bites on the network nightly news.


4 posted on 05/07/2013 7:24:34 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (America is the root cause of violent crime in Mexico. - Barack Hussein Obama Jr.)
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To: grundle

“The economy has plunged, but Americans think it is up.”

When will Americans learn?


5 posted on 05/07/2013 7:25:08 PM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic war against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: grundle

If a crime is prevented because of a gun, it does not enter into the statistics. Prevention of crimes with guns has become so significant, that many armed criminals are using “cheap shot” attacks, and “initiate robbery by firing gun at victim”, robberies.

That is, they are no longer assuming that their potential victim is unarmed, so want to disable or even kill them before they could defend themselves. This means they accept far more severe punishment if caught, for robbery and attempted murder, or murder; rather than just robbery alone.

The alternative is to risk being killed themselves. This changes the whole equation.


6 posted on 05/07/2013 7:28:51 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Best WoT news at rantburg.com)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

When you figure in the ratio of guns purchased over the last 20 years to the number of “gun crimes” committed the number is even lower.


7 posted on 05/07/2013 7:30:31 PM PDT by rktman (BACKGROUND CHECKS? YOU FIRST mr. president(not that we'd get the truth!))
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8 posted on 05/07/2013 7:31:57 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (My faith and politics cannot be separated)
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To: grundle

The leftists in Big Media and Big Government have been lying to people for so long that they believe truth is falsehood, and falsehood is truth.


9 posted on 05/07/2013 7:32:14 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: grundle

Guns prevent crime.


10 posted on 05/07/2013 7:35:40 PM PDT by True Grit
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To: grundle
what do you expect when only ONE side of the story is told?
11 posted on 05/07/2013 7:35:50 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: who_would_fardels_bear

The period of time in the study correlates closely with the adoption of ccw by the majority of the states (45?). It is really remarkable how ccws have cooled things off.


12 posted on 05/07/2013 7:46:19 PM PDT by buffaloguy
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To: grundle

Ok, this is making me nervous. I’m starting to see articles forthrightly critical of The One, and now even the L.A. Times is reporting the truth about falling gun death stats??

Something’s up, y’all. The leftmedia just ain’t acting natural all of a sudden.


13 posted on 05/07/2013 7:47:48 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Windflier
Something’s up, y’all. The leftmedia just ain’t acting natural all of a sudden.

A sign of the end times? Seriously though, whenever I see a little common sense and truth leak into the MSM babble I always wait for the pendulum to swing back the other way.

14 posted on 05/07/2013 7:59:39 PM PDT by ThunderSleeps (Stop obarma now! Stop the hussein - insane agenda!)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

[[That is, they are no longer assuming that their potential victim is unarmed, so want to disable or even kill them before they could defend themselves.]]

Perhaps victims shoudkl do the same- jjst assume someoen with a gun IS goign to use it, and shoot first before perp gets a chance to even open their worthless mouth


15 posted on 05/07/2013 8:00:30 PM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: grundle; All

Americans think that gun crime is up because the corrupt media, including Obama guard dog Fx News, misleads Americans to think that way to promote 2nd Amendment-ignoring gun legislation imo.


16 posted on 05/07/2013 8:02:07 PM PDT by Amendment10
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To: Amendment10

“Americans think that gun crime is up because the corrupt media”

They think it’s up because TV shows and movies show it everywhere, on purpose. You can’t trip over a show these days without some gun-toting democrap playing some kind of “crafty right-wing killer”.


17 posted on 05/07/2013 8:32:03 PM PDT by Up Yours Marxists
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To: grundle


18 posted on 05/07/2013 8:46:46 PM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Universal Background Check -> Registration -> Confiscation -> Oppression -> Extermination)
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To: Mushroom Gravy
looks like God is preparing us for something :-)
19 posted on 05/07/2013 8:52:57 PM PDT by Battle Hymn of the Republic
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To: grundle
The number of gun killings dropped 39% between 1993 and 2011...surprised to see the local ABC TV channel give this story good coverage on tonight's broadcast - I guess that counts for their balanced reporting for the next month....
20 posted on 05/07/2013 8:58:29 PM PDT by Intolerant in NJ
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To: grundle

Democrats wailing about gun crime — up 238%!!


21 posted on 05/07/2013 9:00:08 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: 2111USMC

My thoughts exactly. I looked outside to see if my house had left the planet.


22 posted on 05/07/2013 9:46:34 PM PDT by TigersEye (If babies had guns they wouldn't be aborted)
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To: grundle

ping


23 posted on 05/07/2013 11:47:44 PM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: grundle

Most big papers are in big cities run by dems . Typically those have high gun crime rates.

They live in their own little bubble.

(“I can’t believe Nixon won, I don’t know a single person who voted for him”)


24 posted on 05/08/2013 4:46:12 AM PDT by TurboZamboni (Marx smelled bad & lived with his parents most his life.)
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To: grundle

Gun crime is up the past couple of years in certain areas, but those are the areas that always have obscene crime rates — black majority areas.


25 posted on 05/08/2013 5:02:00 AM PDT by NotYourAverageDhimmi
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To: CottShop

The proper answer is “situational awareness”. Most people, even most black people, are suspicious of a group of young black men hanging out. It is wise to give them a wide berth and to make sure you are not being followed.

However, an individual is just as worthy of attention if they are carrying a baseball bat, or approaching from an angle where they could deliver a cheap shot.

http://thetimes-tribune.com/news/scranton-man-jailed-longer-for-sucker-punch-robbery-1.1437570

http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?section=news/local/new_york&id=9041145

http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_13847653?source=pkg


26 posted on 05/08/2013 7:21:30 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Best WoT news at rantburg.com)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

[[Most people, even most black people, are suspicious of a group of young black men hanging out]]

True, butm ost peopel are also suspicious of a group of white male teens too- the fact is that teeens are bored and look to get hteir kicks wherever they cna and at whomever’s expense they want-


27 posted on 05/08/2013 8:56:07 AM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: CottShop

Some of it is situational, but a lot of it is statistical.

Respectable black people are very apprehensive around black teenagers they don’t know, because black people are *more* likely to be attacked by young black men then are other races.

If a white person or Hispanic is seen by an aggressive group of young black men, they are seen as being of more risk to fight back, unless they are alone, obviously drunk, with nobody like them in the area.

There is the “weirdness” factor as well. Beyond a certain point, if somebody passing through their neighborhood looks or acts too different, that strangeness is seen as menacing, even dangerous. Often that is an accurate assessment. Even aggressive teenagers fear psychotics as out of their league.


28 posted on 05/08/2013 1:25:05 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Best WoT news at rantburg.com)
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To: grundle

I wonder if suicides are considered gun crimes?


29 posted on 05/09/2013 9:04:01 AM PDT by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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